The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity

[face2face]

Unless I am overlooking something, that sounds like Annihilationism to me.

My understanding is not incineration as your definition stated.

If you set your mind to interpreting figures of speech and symbolic meanings, you will find the Scripture will open many truths to the inquiring mind. Evangelicals love to force notions upon the Word because they haven’t invested the time to understand Gods divine principles. God use's figurative language to hide His Wisdom...for good reason.

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[face2face]

You are correct. Not one verse says we go immediately to heaven. We go to paradise and wait for the resurrection.

You dont go there either though its a lovely thought and many a deceived Christian hold to it. The Bible teaches a shared problem for both the good and evil. False comfort is no comfort at all.
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[St. SteVen]

My understanding is not incineration as your definition stated.

I would say incineration is only one option with Annihilationism.
To cease to exist would fit as well.

And incineration would apply to Damnationism mostly.
The difference being the incinerated will not die but be in torment of burning alive forever.
Does that sound like something God would create? (I hope not)

 

[face2face]

You are correct. Not one verse says we go immediately to heaven. We go to paradise and wait for the resurrection.

Wrecked, here is something to consider.

How do you think these verses impact the section of Scripture you have in mind?

As has just been said: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion Heb 3:15

God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts. Hebrews 4:7

as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. Romans 4:17

It's better to look for the spiritual intent in the Masters words knowing his mind is much higher than ours and God's even more so!

For those who hope in the resurrection it will be like the "twinkling of an eye"...;)

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[St. SteVen]

If you set your mind to interpreting figures of speech and symbolic meanings, you will find the Scripture will open many truths to the inquiring mind. Evangelicals love to force notions upon the Word because they haven’t invested the time to understand Gods divine principles. God use's figurative language to hide His Wisdom...for good reason.

You should launch a topic on that. Sounds interesting.

 

[face2face]

I would say incineration is only one option with Annihilationism.
To cease to exist would fit as well.

And incineration would apply to Damnationism mostly.
The difference being the incinerated will not die but be in torment of burning alive forever.
Does that sound like something God would create? (I hope not)

No, it’s not Scriptural at all. Jesus used these severe examples such as Gehenna to convey the seriousness of his high calling. The judgements will be horrendous to experience which is why Paul states to work out your salvation with trembling and fear.

You are a fool if you think you have perfect love - fear is a good place to start!

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[face2face]

You should launch a topic on that. Sounds interesting.

I've tried many times. I recall one time, I expounded Ezekiel 28 to Aunty Jane and the beauty in the symbology and divine lessons which she was shown, well she could not refute them at all...but her faith is anchored to the JW's and she must adopt their understanding of that chapter. You also have the likes of Jack who is an interesting case study. He would be the most fundamental Hardened Christian in this forum; immovable in his hyper literal reading of the Word. He loves all the man made creative notions Evangelicals have conjured in their own imaginations.

In the end few want to learn and even fewer want to be confronted with the "hurt" of God's truth. It's an affront to our nature, His Divine teachings - Christians want to water them down; add cordial for a better taste.

Having said that we do have some sincere Christians who want to learn...often they dont like to acknowledge truth when its presented. Like the Luke 20:37-39 section I showed you - the lessons are so powerfully obvious that even his hearers acknowledge its truthfulness - but not here!

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[face2face]

@St. SteVen

I'm pondering the import of these words this morning:

When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart’s delight, for I bear your name, Lord God Almighty. Jer 15:16

This is the principle of God Manifestation - taking possession of His Word and it becoming the basis of reason. Also, again we are shown the Eternal name is associated with what will eventually be dead!...but in faith will have the promise of life.

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[Keiw]

How would you know? lol

A child is born
A son
Mighty God!!!

Isaiah 9
6 　For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

His NAME will be called those things.

 

[face2face]

@St. SteVen

I'm pondering the import of these words this morning:

When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart’s delight, for I bear your name, Lord God Almighty. Jer 15:16

This is the principle of God Manifestation - taking possession of His Word and it becoming the basis of reason. Also, again we are shown the Eternal name is associated with what will eventually be dead!...but in faith will have the promise of life.

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@St. SteVen - you can see how the prophet uses the metaphor of eating food - a hyper literalist could say "no, he actually sat down at table and ate the parchment!" It's a crude example, but you get my drift...!
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[Keiw]

The Spirit does guide us into all truth, but it is through giving us proper understanding of the Biblical text.

Then how come every trinity religion on earth has different truths? different dogmas? A lack of holy spirit is why.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen

I'm pondering the import of these words this morning:

When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart’s delight, for I bear your name, Lord God Almighty. Jer 15:16

This is the principle of God Manifestation - taking possession of His Word and it becoming the basis of reason. Also, again we are shown the Eternal name is associated with what will eventually be dead!...but in faith will have the promise of life.

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Yummy. That was delicious. Keep it coming, brother.

 

[face2face]

Then how come every trinity religion on earth has different truths? different dogmas? A lack of holy spirit is why.

While this is true you should know there is a lacking in your own community also Keiw.
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[Jack]

His NAME will be called those things.

Revelation 1
8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." 9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,11 saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,"

Says Jesus!

 

[Keiw]

While this is true you should know there is a lacking in your own community also Keiw.
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Not at all.

 

[Keiw]

Revelation 1
8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." 9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,11 saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,"

Says Jesus!

Rev 1:1--A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= any one who understands simple english can see 2 beings in that passage-1 is God, 1 is not. There is only 1 God.

 

[face2face]

Not at all.

Nice Keiw - the man that has all truth! I sense a fall coming...

 

[Jack]

Rev 1:1--A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= any one who understands simple english can see 2 beings in that passage-1 is God, 1 is not. There is only 1 God.

How ironic. The Scripture went right over your head.

John 8
58 　Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
Exodus 3
14 　And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

 

[teamventure]

I mostly agree. But this does not support inerrancy.
Can you even define inerrancy? Do you actually know what that means?

lack of error; infallibility. the belief that the Bible is free from error in matters of science as well as those of faith.

 

[Patrick1966]

Unfortunately not Patrick.
The rejected will die a second time and take no more part in the plan of salvation.
Nowhere is it taught the faithful go immediately to God....but if you would like to try and prove that doctrine happy to be dogmatic on that one ;)
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John 3:16 says that the faithful never die. Besides, there are seemingly countless testimonies from people who claimed to have Heavenly (and Hellish) experiences during NDE'S.