The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity

[amigo de christo]

HELLO INSTANT . to the trenches my friend . THIS WORLD IS RUNNING OUT OF TIME .
POINT TO CHRIST JESUS and all biblical doctrine while there still be time to do so .

 

[Instant]

There is no literal place of eternal suffering. Gods justice scales alone make it impossible to be literal.

Based on what? That is nothing but a feelings-based response, and I disagree.

 

[Jack]

There is no literal place of eternal suffering.

Watch Tower is not the Bible.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'

Gods justice scales alone make it impossible to be literal.

You sound like you've never opened a Christian Bible.

2 Peter 2
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

 

[St. SteVen]

HELLO INSTANT . to the trenches my friend . THIS WORLD IS RUNNING OUT OF TIME .
POINT TO CHRIST JESUS and all biblical doctrine while there still be time to do so .

 

[Instant]

Yes, different theologians will interpret the Bible different, but that is generally because of the method they use. I take the Bible literal, and I find that others that do the same thing come to almost the same conclusions. When I say that, I recognize that there are parables and there is symbolism in prophecy. I am also someone that uses the KJV Bible only and Strong's Concordance Dictionary rather than dictionaries that are more like commentaries. If a person is interpreting scripture using anything but a literal interpretation, I am not going to agree with that person. I also reject those who strictly use hermeneutics because that doesn't work with the Bible.

 

[Keiw]

We all deserve Hell , "forever and ever"!

Some repent and live righteous in this satan ruled system. They live now to do Jesus' Fathers will over self( Matt 7:21)--Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead)Luke 17:26)--99% minimum today do not live righteous. They listen to these-2Cor 11:12-15 and are mislead.

 

[Keiw]

You might try that with a little pot and some old reels of Woodstock.

Deut 32:4- all of Gods ways are justice--He taught all perfect justice=An eye for an eye= perfect balance on Gods justice scales-uncorruptable--Lets apply those scales to a literal eternal suffering--70-100 years of an unrepented sinful life on one side of those scales---- Trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment to suffer---See any balance? Its more like an eye for a gazillion eyes to be literal, but we know God is love and just. Its symbolic for the following
As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends--likened to be an eternal suffering.

 

[Keiw]

Based on what? That is nothing but a feelings-based response, and I disagree.

See post 287

 

[Keiw]

Watch Tower is not the Bible.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'


You sound like you've never opened a Christian Bible.

2 Peter 2
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

See post 287

 

[Instant]

See post 287

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

You are measuring God's idea of what is just based on what we might see as right and just. That is where you are making your mistake. There is that and the fact that the laws are in place for us, not God. He does not have to follow any rules. He is God.

 

[Jack]

Some repent and live righteous in this satan ruled system. They live now to do Jesus' Fathers will over self( Matt 7:21)--Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead)Luke 17:26)--99% minimum today do not live righteous. They listen to these-2Cor 11:12-15 and are mislead.

And some constantly attack our Bible, I.E Watch Tower! But you call that "righteous".

 

[Jack]

See post 287

See post 283

 

[quietthinker]

Deut 32:4- all of Gods ways are justice--He taught all perfect justice=An eye for an eye= perfect balance on Gods justice scales-uncorruptable--Lets apply those scales to a literal eternal suffering--70-100 years of an unrepented sinful life on one side of those scales---- Trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment to suffer---See any balance? Its more like an eye for a gazillion eyes to be literal, but we know God is love and just. Its symbolic for the following
As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, it never ends--likened to be an eternal suffering.

Everlasting means however long it will last. A fire will last as long as there is fuel. Death means something has come to an end be it the Porsch reduced to a cinder in a burning garage or or your favourite doily shredded by the dog.

I wonder how long everlasting life is defined? Does it mean being in a coma unendingly? does it mean sliding down an unending razor blade?
I view the definition of Life as infinite expansion of all that is joyous, hopeful, gracious, patient, colourful, helpful, compassionate, light etc. No wonder Jesus said, No eye has seen, no ear heard, it has not even entered the mind the things God has prepared for those who love him.

....and everlasting Death, what does it mean? I visualise it as an imploding star. Life is withdrawn totally. Only blackness remains. Nothing. No sound, no sight, no sense, no reality. When all fuel is consumed everything stops.

The second death is everlasting!

 

[Jack]

Some repent and live righteous in this satan ruled system. They live now to do Jesus' Fathers will over self( Matt 7:21)--Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead)Luke 17:26)--99% minimum today do not live righteous. They listen to these-2Cor 11:12-15 and are mislead.

Why don't you quote the Scriptures instead of spewing your JW 'education'? Aren't you allowed to quote Scriptures?

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, different theologians will interpret the Bible different, but that is generally because of the method they use. I take the Bible literal, and I find that others that do the same thing come to almost the same conclusions. When I say that, I recognize that there are parables and there is symbolism in prophecy. I am also someone that uses the KJV Bible only and Strong's Concordance Dictionary rather than dictionaries that are more like commentaries. If a person is interpreting scripture using anything but a literal interpretation, I am not going to agree with that person. I also reject those who strictly use hermeneutics because that doesn't work with the Bible.

Is hell literal fire?

 

[Instant]

Is hell literal fire?

There is literal fire in hell.

 

[St. SteVen]

There is literal fire in hell.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[Instant]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Probably because there is no reason to think otherwise. Also, there are clues, like where Jesus in his story of the rich man and Lazarus describes it as a place of extreme heat.

 

[Keiw]

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

You are measuring God's idea of what is just based on what we might see as right and just. That is where you are making your mistake. There is that and the fact that the laws are in place for us, not God. He does not have to follow any rules. He is God.

God is love, merciful, filled with loving kindness, and justice--not the sadist being taught with an unjust literal place of eternal suffering. Best to get to know the true living God.

 

[Keiw]

And some constantly attack our Bible, I.E Watch Tower! But you call that "righteous".

I share facts. God warned all of you--GET OUT OF HER.