Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

[RLT63]

Not being judgmental-speaking from what I observe-but I don't tolerate lighthearted, frivolous, out of line "jokes" unbefitting the holy Scriptures and Christ Jesus, our great God and Savior and the Holy Spirit.
Now you know me-and we need to set boundaries.
Shalom
Johann.

I apologize that one of my comments to @Matthias was in response to your post. I understand your respect for Jesus and the scriptures. The other comments you should ignore if not addressed to you or feel free to criticize but please don’t be offended. As I said I agree with much of what you post I guess I just don’t take myself as seriously as you do.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus Christ was the first and last anointed Of God king of the Jews.

 

[Jim B]

I haven’t heard of Jews For Jesus? I’ve corresponded with them, read their literature, and posted links to their website.

I’ve never heard of other messianic groups? I’ve frequently written about them and know many of them. I’ve attended meetings and eaten meals with several leaders in Jewish messianic movements.

My contention has always been that Jesus is a Jew and that not all Jews reject him.

And yet you write "Another reason why Jews reject Jesus -> the doctrinal assertion that Jesus is not a human person"? It would have been better if you wrote "Another reason why some Jews (or orthdox Jews) reject Jesus..."

 

[Johann]

I apologize that one of my comments to @Matthias was in response to your post. I understand your respect for Jesus and the scriptures. The other comments you should ignore if not addressed to you or feel free to criticize but please don’t be offended. As I said I agree with much of what you post I guess I just don’t take myself as seriously as you do.

No need to apologize brother-all is good between you and me.
Shalom
Johann.

 

[Matthias]

And yet you write "Another reason why Jews reject Jesus -> the doctrinal assertion that Jesus is not a human person"? It would have been better if you wrote "Another reason why some Jews (or orthdox Jews) reject Jesus..."

When I say “Jews” I’m referring specifically to those Jews who reject Jesus, not all Jews.

You and I both know and have acknowledged that not all Jews have rejected Jesus.

Out of respect for you, I’ll go back and modify my post.

 

[Jim B]

When I say “Jews” I’m referring specifically to those Jews who reject Jesus, not all Jews.

How is anyone supposed to know that?

 

[Matthias]

How is anyone supposed to know that?

1. By reading and remembering what I’ve written elsewhere; and
2. By reading the modified post.

 

[Wrangler]

I know this is a one liner, but it’s all I got at the moment, because I shun commentary.

They knew they were not the rightful heirs.

Interesting. How did they know they were not the rightful heirs?

 

[Matthias]

I don't share your humor-eternal life is at stake here.
You-Wrangler and Matthias-the "Lolling Ha-ha's" little foxes spoiling the vine.

The rabbis have a saying-"There is a time to laugh, and now is not that time" You guys are the "baiters" bringing nothing to the table.

If this thread is too long for you and your buddies-go somewhere else-yes?
I have observed some here are one or two liners-anything more and it is lost-but not to the poor and the needy-HUNGRY for God's word.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

If you and your buddies are here to goad the flock-God's flock-and the ministers-who is breaking the rules of this Forum?

You think I'm here to blow my own trumpet? Or that I am, by the chen of God trying to edify members and BE edified -to encourage members-and be encouraged?

You and your two friends wants this thread to end? Because it is TOOO long and you have nothing to learn?
Tell you what-you go your way-I'll stay on the highway of holiness-yes?

Have a good day.
Johann.

You’ve got some nerve telling people to leave a thread which isn’t yours.

It’s people who act like you that have caused the administration of this board to implement the “must not discuss the topic which must not be discussed” policy.

 

[Matthias]

One like Moses is what they anticipated as the Messiah. Exactly that, nothing more or less.

Where do you read that Jews thought the messiah would ever be considered to be equal with God?

Moses typology.

Jesus is the prophet like Moses whom God promised to raise up from among the people.

God made Moses [as] God to Pharaoh (Exodus 7:1).

The Messiah, like Moses, is functionally God.

 

[Matthias]

This short piece is written by a Messianic Jew. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic which must not be discussed. I’ve posted it twice already. Moderators deleted it once, and may have deleted it a second time. There’s no good reason to think that it won’t be deleted again. Read it while you can. Or don’t.

Shaliah | Hebrew Word Study | Skip Moen

As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:18 NASB Sent – The Jewish law of agency, known as shaliah, is crucial for understanding the idea of an apostle. In fact, the verb itself, apostéllō, used here to speak of the mission of Yeshua and the mission of his

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[Matthias]

Luke 20:14 KJVS
[14] But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

I’m persuaded that the Messiah (Jesus of Nazareth, the son of the living God) is the heir, along with all who belong to him.

I’m not persuaded that God is the heir. God owns everything; inherits nothing from anyone.

What do you think?

 

[Mr E]

Moses typology.

Jesus is the prophet like Moses whom God promised to raise up from among the people.

God made Moses [as] God to Pharaoh (Exodus 7:1).

The Messiah, like Moses, is functionally God.

And you think that means equal?

God made Moses equal to God, to Pharoah?

 

[Waiting on him]

Interesting. How did they know they were not the rightful heirs?

Well, Jesus told them, in the parable. They reasond among themselves, and said this is the heir.

You see wrangler, the spirit of God allowed him to see what was in their hearts and what was done in secret.

 

[Matthias]

And you think that means equal?

God made Moses equal to God, to Pharoah?

Functionally equal. God put his words in Moses’ mouth. When Pharoah saw and heard Moses he saw and heard God in Moses.

Let’s substitute “Jesus” for “Moses” and “mankind” for “Pharaoh”.

Did God put his words in the mouth of Jesus?

When we see and hear Jesus do we see and hear God in Messiah?

 

[Wrangler]

Functionally equal.

This is an attribute of agency. When you are speaking to a Messenger, the Messenger speaks with the authority of his principal in which he was sent.

 

[Waiting on him]

I’m persuaded that the Messiah (Jesus of Nazareth, the son of the living God) is the heir, along with all who belong to him.

I’m not persuaded that God is the heir. God owns everything; inherits nothing from anyone.

What do you think?

I believe what Jesus said, the meek inherited the earth. This was always the desire of a loving god. To be in them, His spirt the in the tabernacle of man. Not the geographical conquest they thought to be the promise land. The earth they were comprised of.

 

[Waiting on him]

Some first century Christian’s received the promise.

 

[Matthias]

I believe what Jesus said, the meek inherited the earth.

Just as an aside, Matthew 5:5 is the verse I have printed on my business card.

I understand him to be speaking about inheriting the planet in the future.

This was always the desire of a loving god. To be in them, His spirt the in the tabernacle of man. Not the geographical conquest they thought to be the promise land. The earth they were comprised of.

It appears to me that you’re talking about bodies, not land. If that’s right, then you and I have a different understanding concerning what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 5:5.

 

[Waiting on him]

Just as an aside, Matthew 5:5 is the verse I have printed on my business card.

I understand him to be speaking about inheriting the planet in the future.



It appears to me that you’re talking about bodies, not land. If that’s right, then you and I have a different understanding concerning what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 5:5.

Then read the epistles.