This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil

[robert derrick]

Where you seem to get confused every time is building your theological edifice upon a notable preconceived error: that Rev 20 is yet future.

Your spirit-only resurrection and millennium doesn't exist, except in your own mind. Have fun.

It does not allow for 2 resurrection days or 2 judgment days.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?

Jesus and His saints will judge the nations after His return to earth, and the rest of the dead will be judged after His Millennial reign over them.

 

[WPM]

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this age.

The end of this age is not the end of the world. Prophecy if the lord's coming again to earth, is of the end of this age of unrighteous men ruling on earth.

Peter speaks of the end of this heaven and earth, which will pass away with fervent heat.

The new heaven and earth created by God will not end and pass away. It will be the endless age of God dwelling with man in New Jerusalem.

Your prophecy is false. Thank God.

When does the new heaven and new earth arrive?

 

[WPM]

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this age.

The end of this age is not the end of the world. Prophecy if the lord's coming again to earth, is of the end of this age of unrighteous men ruling on earth.

Peter speaks of the end of this heaven and earth, which will pass away with fervent heat.

The new heaven and earth created by God will not end and pass away. It will be the endless age of God dwelling with man in New Jerusalem.

Your prophecy is false. Thank God.

When does the new heaven and new earth arrive?

 

[robert derrick]

When does the new heaven and new earth arrive?

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The end of this world is after the GWT judgment, which is after the end of His Millennium, which is after the end of this age.

 

[WPM]

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The end of this world is after the GWT judgment, which is after the end of His Millennium, which is after the end of this age.

Exactly! Compare it with multiple other Scripture and it confirms the intro of the new heaven and new earth occurs at the second coming. This proves we are there now. Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.

 

[robert derrick]

Exactly! Compare it with multiple other Scripture and it confirms the intro of the new heaven and new earth occurs at the second coming.

Not possible with NT prophecy added to the Old. There is a Millennium in between to expire first after the first resurrection.

This proves we are there now.

Spirit-only there is nowhere. There's no there, there. No substantive rule nor manifestation of it. It's just talk. There is no rule, where there is nothing ruled over.

You have no rule with Christ in heaven, where He rules the angels, and you don't. Nor on earth, where He will rule the nations, and you don't rule the tax collector, much less a governor.

Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming.

The interruption between the second coming and the end of this world, is is rule over nations for a thousand years. The interruption between the end of this world and the creation of the new world, is the GWT judgment of the rest of the dead, that were not in the first resurrection.

Job 14:12-14,

Job is prophesying Daniel 12. Which is the rest of the dead only. They were both speaking in general, and neither of them new the prophecy of their first resurrection to rule on earth first.

OT prophecy is interpreted by NT doctrine, and made full by NT prophecy.

Isaiah 13:9-11,

The day of the Lord here, is that of Babylon's sack of Jerusalem.

The day of the Lord's judgment has come many times, since Adam and Eve repented not.

The day of the Lord coming to earth is twice only.

Isaiah 34:1-4, 8,

The Lord's wrath upon the nations gathered for war against Him around Armageddon, Idumea, Bozra. They will be slaughtered without mercy.

Cormorants and bitterns and ravens and owls will pass through the land of smoke. Still old earth, and not the new. Still flesh on the old earth.

This is not the end of this world, and certainly not a perfect brave new world you falsely prophecy.

Isaiah 65:17-21,

New heavens and earth, where their will also be sinners a hundred years old.

Isaiah 66:22-24,

His Millennium, before He shall create the new heavens and earth.

Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11,

Peter confirms the prophecy is begun with the Lord's resurrection.

The promise still remains in the midst of the slaughter of His second coming, that if any will repent, they will be spared.

Malachi 4:1-3,

Once again, the same One coming with wrath upon the wicked, will be the Sun of righteousness with healing in His wings for them that repent.

Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44,

His second coming and first resurrection of His church into the air. Then after the flood has passed, there will be left on earth sheep and goats divided unto life or death.

Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27,

Dittoes

Romans 8:18-23,

The first resurrection of the saints.

1 Corinthians 15:23-24,

The first resurrection and rule of the saints with Christ over the earth. At the end of the thousand years, the Lord will deliver up that kingdom unto God with the rest of the dead.

God does not deliver up His everlasting kingdom to God. The Son delivers up His earthly kingdom to the Father.

The everlasting kingdom is already the Father's and Christ's together.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10,

Them troubling and making war with the saints, will be destroyed at His second coming, after resurrecting His saints to Himself.

2 Peter 3:10-13,

The day of the Lord's ending of this world.

Then will be the day of the Lord's judgement of the rest of the day. Then will be the day of the Lord's dwelling with man in New Jerusalem on the new earth.

The day of the Lord's coming to earth is only twice. But the day of the Lord's judgment of the guilty began with Lucifer, and then Adam, and now every man that sins.

Hebrews 1:10-12,

The day of the Lord's ending of this world, as confirmed by 2 Peter.

Revelation 6:13-17,

The Lord shines like lightning over the earth, and all the great ones around Armageddon shall seek to hide, but shall not escape.

Celestial stars do not 'fall'. The rotate and move. They will be melted, when the Lord ends this world in one day. There won't be anyone on earth 'hiding'.

Revelation 16:15-20,

All around Armageddon. The Lord's war with them that make war with Him. Perhaps the saints with clouds in the air, will be casting the hail stones of a talent upon their heads. One talent a piece per resurrection saints. That's a lot of hailstones for such a confined space on earth. Npo wonder the smolke of it will ascend unto the end of the earth, where only cormorants, bitterns, ravens, and owls will tread.

Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming.

Rev 19 yes. Rev 20 after the thousand years expires.

The two are not the same, because the beast and false prophet are first cast alive into the LOF, and then a thousand years later, Satan is cast where they are.

This is indeed the end of time

No such thing. The second coming is the end of this age. Afterward, is the end of this world.

, the end of corruption,the end of the wicked, the end of sin,

Never will be among all men. There will be sinners a hundred years old on the new earth, where the wicked will be wicked still without repenting, and not enter into the gates of the cities to eat of the healing leaves of the trees.

the end of death,

In New Jeruslaem, yes.

the end for the devil.

True.

It is the beginning of eternity.

Eternity began before the foundation of the world.

Your brave new world prophecy is physically and philosophically false.

It is the beginning of perfection.

Kumbaya.

It is the beginning of incorruption.

Incorruption has no beginning with God. Incorruption with man begins with being born again.

It is the beginning of a new arrangement.

Well, a new heaven and earth certainly qualifies for that.

 

[Phoneman777]

After the Flood it was unable to sustain life as well, no? That is why they had to stay in the ark for months.

And there will be life on earth after the fiery destruction of the Second Coming.

After the flood, there was still an atmosphere, their was still daylight, there was still water to drink, there was still food to eat, there was still the hand of God's blessing resting on the Earth so that eventually the waters receded, allowing them to go forth and multiply and replenish.

Peter says when Jesus comes as a thief, the atmosphere will burn up, the water will burn up, the land will burn up, all creatures will burn up, and there will be darkness covering the land (for 1,000 years, according to the Historicist prophetic timeline interpretation) with no Sun to grow grasses, plants, crops for food or produce an Ozone layer to protect inhabitants from harmful cosmic rays. Isaiah says the Earth will wobble like a drunk then be turned upside down in never before seen destruction and it will be left desolate, empty, wasted, covered in darkness, lifeless, with only a comparatively few humans left alive as they are taken up to meet Jesus in the air.

No way any life can possibly continue after Jesus comes, according to the above texts, my friend.

 

[WPM]

After the flood, there was still an atmosphere, their was still daylight, there was still water to drink, there was still food to eat, there was still the hand of God's blessing resting on the Earth so that eventually the waters receded, allowing them to go forth and multiply and replenish.

Peter says when Jesus comes as a thief, the atmosphere will burn up, the water will burn up, the land will burn up, all creatures will burn up, and there will be darkness covering the land (for 1,000 years, according to the Historicist prophetic timeline interpretation) with no Sun to grow grasses, plants, crops for food or produce an Ozone layer to protect inhabitants from harmful cosmic rays. Isaiah says the Earth will wobble like a drunk then be turned upside down in never before seen destruction and it will be left desolate, empty, wasted, covered in darkness, lifeless, with only a comparatively few humans left alive as they are taken up to meet Jesus in the air.

No way any life can possibly continue after Jesus comes, according to the above texts, my friend.

So true! Well put!

 

[WPM]

Not possible with NT prophecy added to the Old. There is a Millennium in between to expire first after the first resurrection.


Spirit-only there is nowhere. There's no there, there. No substantive rule nor manifestation of it. It's just talk. There is no rule, where there is nothing ruled over.

You have no rule with Christ in heaven, where He rules the angels, and you don't. Nor on earth, where He will rule the nations, and you don't rule the tax collector, much less a governor.


The interruption between the second coming and the end of this world, is is rule over nations for a thousand years. The interruption between the end of this world and the creation of the new world, is the GWT judgment of the rest of the dead, that were not in the first resurrection.


Job is prophesying Daniel 12. Which is the rest of the dead only. They were both speaking in general, and neither of them new the prophecy of their first resurrection to rule on earth first.

OT prophecy is interpreted by NT doctrine, and made full by NT prophecy.



The day of the Lord here, is that of Babylon's sack of Jerusalem.

The day of the Lord's judgment has come many times, since Adam and Eve repented not.

The day of the Lord coming to earth is twice only.


The Lord's wrath upon the nations gathered for war against Him around Armageddon, Idumea, Bozra. They will be slaughtered without mercy.

Cormorants and bitterns and ravens and owls will pass through the land of smoke. Still old earth, and not the new. Still flesh on the old earth.

This is not the end of this world, and certainly not a perfect brave new world you falsely prophecy.



New heavens and earth, where their will also be sinners a hundred years old.



His Millennium, before He shall create the new heavens and earth.


Peter confirms the prophecy is begun with the Lord's resurrection.

The promise still remains in the midst of the slaughter of His second coming, that if any will repent, they will be spared.


Once again, the same One coming with wrath upon the wicked, will be the Sun of righteousness with healing in His wings for them that repent.


His second coming and first resurrection of His church into the air. Then after the flood has passed, there will be left on earth sheep and goats divided unto life or death.


Dittoes


The first resurrection of the saints.


The first resurrection and rule of the saints with Christ over the earth. At the end of the thousand years, the Lord will deliver up that kingdom unto God with the rest of the dead.

God does not deliver up His everlasting kingdom to God. The Son delivers up His earthly kingdom to the Father.

The everlasting kingdom is already the Father's and Christ's together.



Them troubling and making war with the saints, will be destroyed at His second coming, after resurrecting His saints to Himself.

The day of the Lord's ending of this world.

Then will be the day of the Lord's judgement of the rest of the day. Then will be the day of the Lord's dwelling with man in New Jerusalem on the new earth.

The day of the Lord's coming to earth is only twice. But the day of the Lord's judgment of the guilty began with Lucifer, and then Adam, and now every man that sins.



The day of the Lord's ending of this world, as confirmed by 2 Peter.

The Lord shines like lightning over the earth, and all the great ones around Armageddon shall seek to hide, but shall not escape.

Celestial stars do not 'fall'. The rotate and move. They will be melted, when the Lord ends this world in one day. There won't be anyone on earth 'hiding'.



All around Armageddon. The Lord's war with them that make war with Him. Perhaps the saints with clouds in the air, will be casting the hail stones of a talent upon their heads. One talent a piece per resurrection saints. That's a lot of hailstones for such a confined space on earth. Npo wonder the smolke of it will ascend unto the end of the earth, where only cormorants, bitterns, ravens, and owls will tread.

Rev 19 yes. Rev 20 after the thousand years expires.

The two are not the same, because the beast and false prophet are first cast alive into the LOF, and then a thousand years later, Satan is cast where they are.


No such thing. The second coming is the end of this age. Afterward, is the end of this world.


Never will be among all men. There will be sinners a hundred years old on the new earth, where the wicked will be wicked still without repenting, and not enter into the gates of the cities to eat of the healing leaves of the trees.


In New Jeruslaem, yes.



True.

Eternity began before the foundation of the world.

Your brave new world prophecy is physically and philosophically false.

Kumbaya.


Incorruption has no beginning with God. Incorruption with man begins with being born again.


Well, a new heaven and earth certainly qualifies for that.

You make your teaching up as you go along. When you have no support, you invent it by twisting the sacred detail of Scripture. You wrongly invent 2 new heavens and earths - 1 before and 1 after your supposed future millennium - in order to support the error of Premil. But, Revelation 20 makes no reference to the presence of the new heavens and new earth. The reason is: Revelation 20 relates to the here and now. This is another delusion of Premil.

Because Premil lacks any corroboration in Scripture for a future 1,000 years’ age after the second coming, it invents 2 “last days” periods (Mark 1 now, and Mark 2 after the second coming) and 2 new heavens and new earths (Mark 1 they relate to their alleged future millennium and is sin-cursed and corrupt. Mark 2 is perfect and incorrupt and they equate it to 1,000 years+ after this).

 

[Phoneman777]

Your spirit-only resurrection and millennium doesn't exist, except in your own mind. Have fun.

I'm pretty sure both resurrections include bodies with those in the first receiving immortal and those of the second, mortal which is why they are subject to the Second Death, where they will again pass out of existence in an eternal death, a permanent death, a death from which there will be no resurrection.

Jesus and His saints will judge the nations after His return to earth, and the rest of the dead will be judged after His Millennial reign over them.

Not exactly: the time of the Judgment is NOW and all cases will have been decided BEFORE Jesus comes, as proved both by textual confirmation and by the example of the Old Testament Israeli religious economy, where the end of the ritual year found the High Priest conducting the final phase of his ministry of intercession in the Most Holy Place cleansing the sanctuary just before the probation door of mercy which swings on the hinges of grace would close and leave anyone who would fail to put away sin in time cut off from the congregation.

We are easily drawn to pictures of Christians sitting in a massive jury box listening to the wicked argue their cases in court before we adjourn for deliberation and decide their fates...THIS WILL NOT BE THE CASE. God will "still the enemy and the avenger" - their mouths will remain shut - and "every mouth will be stopped" because they'll not be uttering a single word in defense of their crime of despising the salvation of Jesus.

It is Jesus Who "sits in authority" at "the judgment seat of Christ" while He ever moves about in His work in the Heavenly Sanctuary, interceding for the righteous and passing judgment on the wicked as each case comes up before Him.

So, what about the "judgment" of which we are to participate? It's merely "case reviewal" where we are given opportunity to review why good Pastor John didn't make it up there while Lowdown Leroy (who unbeknownst to us repented) is leading the heavenly procession - until we as prophesied in Revelation cry out "just and true are The ways, O king of saints!". This takes place during the Millennium in heaven, the place where the Groom has returned with His bride which He came to collect at the Second Coming. After the 1,000 years up there, we'll return down here to commence the execution phase of the death sentence earned by the wicked.

 

[Keraz]

No way any life can possibly continue after Jesus comes, according to the above texts,

You mis-read 2 Peter 3:7-13, which is a chronological sequence of the end time events.
7 to 10 describe the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. An unexpected hit, that will devastate the Middle East, but the rest of the world will recover from it and the holy Land will be repopulated by the Christian peoples.

2 Peter 3:11-13, then goes on to say how there will be a new heaven and earth, that we know will come after the Millennium. Rev 21:1

 

[WPM]

You mis-read 2 Peter 3:7-13, which is a chronological sequence of the end time events.
7 to 10 describe the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. An unexpected hit, that will devastate the Middle East, but the rest of the world will recover from it and the holy Land will be repopulated by the Christian peoples.

2 Peter 3:11-13, then goes on to say how there will be a new heaven and earth, that we know will come after the Millennium. Rev 21:1

Not true! Where is a millennium mentioned anywhere here? Nowhere! So, that is a lie. You know it! How can anyone survive this? They cannot!

 

[robert derrick]

You wrongly invent 2 new heavens and earths - 1 before and 1 after your supposed future millennium -

So long as you continue to try and change my teaching to fit your prophecy, then you'll be twice as confused.

 

[robert derrick]

I'm pretty sure both resurrections include bodies with those in the first receiving immortal and those of the second, mortal which is why they are subject to the Second Death, where they will again pass out of existence in an eternal death, a permanent death, a death from which there will be no resurrection.

And so, pseudo-mil is not teaching oblivion of the wicked without torment of LOF?

Not exactly: the time of the Judgment is NOW and all cases will have been decided BEFORE Jesus comes,

This is your precondemnation wish.

Jesus doesn't judge, until He judges. That's called righteous judgment with equity.

as proved both by textual confirmation and by the example of the Old Testament Israeli religious economy, where the end of the ritual year found the High Priest conducting the final phase of his ministry of intercession in the Most Holy Place cleansing the sanctuary just before the probation door of mercy which swings on the hinges of grace would close and leave anyone who would fail to put away sin in time cut off from the congregation.

Wow. Impressive liturgy.

The door of repenting and coming to the Lamb never ends. God and His throne will be on the new earth in New Jerusalem forever.

Only the saved of the nations will be allowed to enter through the gates, to have access to the healing leaves for the mortal nations.

We are easily drawn to pictures of Christians sitting in a massive jury box listening to the wicked argue their cases in court before we adjourn for deliberation and decide their fates...THIS WILL NOT BE THE CASE. God will "still the enemy and the avenger" - their mouths will remain shut - and "every mouth will be stopped" because they'll not be uttering a single word in defense of their crime of despising the salvation of Jesus.

Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

You have no clue what you are liturgically coughing up, because your prophecy has nothing to do with Scripture as written.

You're pretty full of yourself, for someone that prophecies destruction for all, but won't get your own hands dirty with it.

THIS SHALL NOT BE THE CASE. HARUMPH.

It is Jesus Who "sits in authority" at "the judgment seat of Christ" while He ever moves about in His work in the Heavenly Sanctuary, interceding for the righteous and passing judgment on the wicked as each case comes up before Him.

So, what about the "judgment" of which we are to participate? It's merely "case reviewal" where we are given opportunity to review why good Pastor John didn't make it up there while Lowdown Leroy (who unbeknownst to us repented) is leading the heavenly procession - until we as prophesied in Revelation cry out "just and true are The ways, O king of saints!". This takes place during the Millennium in heaven, the place where the Groom has returned with His bride which He came to collect at the Second Coming. After the 1,000 years up there, we'll return down here to commence the execution phase of the death sentence earned by the wicked.

Whatever.

Self-preening pseudo ligurcial scholarship gives me the spikenards. I don't even bother trying to untangle it anymore.

If someone can't bring themselves to talk plain, they have no right to be heard, much less understood.

 

[WPM]

So long as you continue to try and change my teaching to fit your prophecy, then you'll be twice as confused.

This is another example, to add to the countless, where you totally avoid the exposure of the holes and contradictions in your doctrine, as they do not exist. That means you do not need to address the rebuttals.

You cannot acknowledge them because to do so would force you to change, which is not what you do.

 

[robert derrick]

This is another example, to add to the countless, where you totally avoid the exposure of the holes and contradictions in your doctrine. You cannot acknowledge them because to do so would force you to change, which is not what you do.

Ok, ok. I hereby declare there are not two new heavens and earths.

To clarify: there is only one new heaven and one new earth created, when this heaven and earth passes away.

Nor will it have any sea, like this one does. Nor will the clear as crystal waters of life from the throne of God and the Lamb entering into the street of New Jerusalem, go on to heal in dead seas. Because there won't be any sea to heal.

The only healing is the leaves for mortal saved nations. Who are the only ones allowed to enter the gates of the city, and not the unrepentant sinners.

That aside, there will never ever be two new created heavens and two new created earths, after this heaven and earth pass away. The one single and only new heaven and earth will be eternal, with the eternal city of God and the Lamb, who are the temple and light thereof, where the resurrected saints dwell forever, with saved nations entering in through the gates for their healing leaves.

But not the unrepented sinners.

 

[WPM]

Ok, ok. I hereby declare there are not two new heavens and earths.

To clarify: there is only one new heaven and one new earth created, when this heaven and earth passes away.

Nor will it have any sea, like this one does. Nor will the clear as crystal waters of life from the throne of God and the Lamb entering into the street of New Jerusalem, go on to heal in dead seas. Because there won't be any sea to heal.

The only healing is the leaves for mortal saved nations. Who are the only ones allowed to enter the gates of the city, and not the unrepentant sinners.

That aside, there will never ever be two new created heavens and two new created earths, after this heaven and earth pass away. The one single and only new heaven and earth will be eternal, with the eternal city of God and the Lamb, who are the temple and light thereof, where the resurrected saints dwell forever, with saved nations entering in through the gates for their healing leaves.

But not the unrepented sinners.

When does this arrive? When does the first heavens and earth disappear?

 

[Keraz]

Not true! Where is a millennium mentioned anywhere here? Nowhere! So, that is a lie. You know it! How can anyone survive this? They cannot!

Peter didn't give the entire story. We have the clearly stated Millennium in Revelation 20 and in the historical record of 6000 years for mankind's rule, then the final thousand years of benign rule by King Jesus.
THEN the earth and the universe is dissolved and the new earth appears.

 

[Phoneman777]

You mis-read 2 Peter 3:7-13, which is a chronological sequence of the end time events.
7 to 10 describe the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. An unexpected hit, that will devastate the Middle East, but the rest of the world will recover from it and the holy Land will be repopulated by the Christian peoples.

2 Peter 3:11-13, then goes on to say how there will be a new heaven and earth, that we know will come after the Millennium. Rev 21:1

We're actually living between the sixth and seventh seal now.

The sixth seal was fulfilled as follows, which can be confirmed by history:

Earthquake: 1755 (Lisbon epicenter)
Sun darkened : 1780
Moon turned to blood: 1780 (the night following the darkened Sun)
Stars falling: 1833

Now, the Plagues will have the Sun scorching the Earth, but not burning it up...that takes place when Jesus comes as a thief in the night and sets the very elements on fire.

 

[Phoneman777]

And so, pseudo-mil is not teaching oblivion of the wicked without torment of LOF?

What's pseudo-mil?
Scripture teaches the Millennium reign of Jesus and the saints takes place in heaven after He comes in glory and resurrects the righteous (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV; John 14:2-3 KJV)

...while the wicked drop dead in their tracks "at the brightness of His coming" (2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV).

This is your precondemnation wish.

Not a wish. The pre-Advent judgment is several places in Scripture, and clearly seen in the OT priesthood Day of Atonement. The High Priest would be inside cleansing the Sanctuary while the people gathered around it outside anxiously waiting for Him to come out to them and to a sublime festival of rejoicing: the Feast of Tabernacles. Jewish commentaries call the Day of Atonement the "Day of Judgment".

Daniel 7 has Jesus coming to the Ancient of Days, which is High Priest Jesus moving from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place which is what the High Priest did during the Day of Atonement, and "the Judgment was set and the books were opened." How do we know this happens now and not later? Because the Little Horn is still running his mouth, but at the Second Coming the Little Horn (Beast) is cast into the Lake of Fire.

I could give several examples for why the pre-Advent judgment is a thing, not just a "wish" as you characterize it because you've never been taught Bible prophecy correctly.

Jesus doesn't judge, until He judges. That's called righteous judgment with equity.

Bro...Jesus, the Son of Man, goes before the Ancient of Days and a Judgment takes place with opened books while the Little Horn Papacy is still speaking great words and blasphemies against God where popes claim to be God on Earth and claim that they, NOT JESUS, are the arbiters of grace and salvation.

The only way Jesus can say "Behold, I come quickly and My reward is WITH ME to give to every man..." is if He's already determined by judgment what they are.

The three stages of the Judgment are the Investigative, Verdict, and Execution and you're confusing Investigative with Execution.

The door of repenting and coming to the Lamb never ends.

Uh...that's not what Revelation 22:11 KJV says...

You have no clue what you are liturgically coughing up, because your prophecy has nothing to do with Scripture as written. You're pretty full of yourself, for someone that prophecies destruction for all, but won't get your own hands dirty with it. THIS SHALL NOT BE THE CASE. HARUMPH.

I think I've more than made the case for why I'm right and you're dead wrong. And I've done so in humility - it's YOU who I've seen to be arrogant, unkind, rude, disrespectful in this and other replies to other members - traits that plainly show "what spirit ye are of".

The only destruction I claim will be handed down from God is that which the Bible claims: destruction of the wicked via Lake of Fire where they will pass out of existence and trouble the universe no more.

Whatever.

Self-preening pseudo ligurcial scholarship gives me the spikenards. I don't even bother trying to untangle it anymore.

If someone can't bring themselves to talk plain, they have no right to be heard, much less understood.

Look, we can go all the way back to the beginning of the prophetic timeline, to Daniel 1, and I'll show you EXACTLY where you go off course in your flawed eschatology and hermeneutics. Anytime, anyplace.