How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[amigo de christo]

Ohhhhh, I see you believe that God gave that law.

Refute it through the scriptures . Oh wait you cant cause i quoated it from paul.

 

[amigo de christo]

self deception -

Lol. You really haven’t seen the Father.

If ye have seen ME phillip you have SEEN the Father . THERE is but one way
and ONE way alone . JESUS CHRIST . It aint if ya seen the budda you seen the father . BUDDA is of the devil .
Muhammed was of the devil . Hinduism is of the devil . If you have followed any other , THAN JESUS CHRIST
i got real bad news , one follows the devil . Budda and good works cannot save
the muslim god and good works cannot save
The gods of the hindu religion and all the hugs in the world cannot save .
YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . PEROID .

 

[amigo de christo]

self deception -

Not for one second ever allow the many to move us from FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

No one here has implied that their reconciliation too The Father wasn’t through the flesh of Christ. You keep assigning this label too every one here that won’t lift you up in praise @Jim B has tried to tell you at length, and also @Episkopos, but you just won’t hear.

Rather odd that those whose faith in CHRIST sees epi doing just this . he praises anyone and everyone that follows him
yall are the guilty ones . As for me and others we gonna POINT TO CHRIST ALONE . not to ego .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sometimes you just have to ask yourself "What would Oprah do? (WWOD)

No thanks she is false . I will stick to CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

John 1:17-18 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

YET folks that refuse to teach the lost they must believe , DONT KNOW HIM EITHER .
So sure grace and truth came from CHRIST , but any gospel , any grace , any truth so called
that omits the dire necessity to believe on CHRIST , well it aint no gospel it aint grace and sure aint truth .
Its a lie . And all who love a lie will face the lake of fire . TIME to preach JESUS CHRIST and not this other
dung filled mindset

 

[Episkopos]

There are 3 possible stances for "believers" to take in regard to the death and resurrection of Jesus.

The first: That Jesus atoned for the sins of all those who believe in Him...so that only those who believe in Him are forgiven...the penalty of their sins being PAID FOR in full by Jesus. These don't believe that resurrection life is for this time..they only see the victory over sin and eternal life in the next age. They maintain that they will always sin as long as they live in the flesh....that they must also live ACCORDING to the flesh (but as little as possible). They maintain that grace doesn't give them power over sin. They believe in a sinful holiness.

However, these are in unbelief...concerning the resurrection power of Christ. And they will see my position and testimony as denying the "gospel" of unlimited forgiveness for their continuing carnal life of sin.

The second: These maintain that resurrection life is possible due to the divine nature "infused" into them at new birth. They believe that they already have within them ALL that is necessary to walk in the victory of Jesus...WITHOUT having to go to God for a full measure of grace. These maintain that no seeking the face of God is necessary.

They believe they can grow into a Promised Land walk..by sheer belief in the bible. All is done through a "reckoning" more and more until it becomes reality. Sure, some improvement can be made...but it is always learning (and improving somewhat) but NEVER coming to the knowledge (and experience) of the truth.

However, these are in make-believe mode. They want to think that the foundation is in them...rather than having to go to Christ for a foundation in HIM. There is a sentimentality here of seeing oneself as being very precious in God's sight...whereas God is NOT a respecter of persons in judgment. We are given a sample of initial grace to TASTE and see how good God is...so we can go to Him and offer ourselves as a living sacrifice to Him.

The 3rd: We maintain the sample of initial grace given at new birth informs us of God's mercy and His loving-kindness...WITHOUT considering ourselves to be of any value or claiming any status for ourselves. We are only unprofitable servants. The value is only found in the Lord. We believe we need to go to God to be empowered by grace to walk as Jesus walked...according to the biblical testimony...in order to experience the life and victory spoken of as a personal testimonial by the bible authors.

Grace is only given to the humble when they exhibit a fulness of faith...believing with ALL one's heart...with a faith that is then translated into another level of faith...the faith OF Christ. So we go from faith to Faith. In so doing we get a personal testimony of our own that is as genuine and authentic as any people we read about in the bible. It is the testimony of saints only as it is experienced to the glory of God.

We maintain that the cross of Christ KILLS the outer man of the flesh so that the inner man is freed to walk in resurrection life...to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. In Him is no sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There are 3 possible stances for "believers" to take in regard to the death and resurrection of Jesus.

The first: That Jesus atoned for the sins of all those who believe in Him...and only those who believe in Him are forgiven...the penalty of their sins being PAID FOR in full by Jesus. These don't believe that resurrection life is for this time..they only see the victory over sin and eternal life in the next age. They maintain that they will always sin as long as they live in the flesh....that they must also live ACCORDING to the flesh (but as little as possible). They maintain that grace doesn't give them power over sin. They believe in a sinful holiness.

However, these are in unbelief...concerning the resurrection power of Christ. And they will see my position and testimony as denying the "gospel" of unlimited forgiveness for their continuing carnal life of sin.

The second: These maintain that resurrection life is possible due to the divine nature "infused" into them at new birth. They believe that they already have within them ALL that is necessary to walk in the victory of Jesus...WITHOUT having to go to God for a full measure of grace. These maintain that no seeking the face of God is necessary.

They believe they can grown into a Promised Land walk..by sheer belief in the bible.

However, these are in make-believe mode. They want to think that the foundation is in them..rather than having to go to Christ for a foundation in HIM. There is a sentimentality here of seeing oneself as being very precious in God's sight...whereas God is NOT a respecter of persons in judgment. We are given a sample of initial grace to TASTE and see how good God is...so we can go to Him and offer ourselves as a living sacrifice to Him.

The 3rd: We maintain the sample of initial grace given at new birth informs us of God's mercy and His loving-kindness...WITHOUT considering ourselves to be of any value. The value is only found in the Lord. We believe we need to go to God to be empowered by grace to walk as Jesus walked...according to the biblical testimony...in order to experience the life and victory spoken of as a personal testimonial by the bible authors.

Grace is only given to the humble when they exhibit a fulness of faith...believing with ALL one's heart...with a faith that is then translated into another level of faith...the faith OF Christ. So we go from faith to Faith. In so doing we get a personal testimony of our own that is as genuine and authentic as any people we read about in the bible. It is the testimony of saints only as it is experienced to the glory of God.

We maintain that the cross of Christ KILLS the outer man of the flesh so that the inner man is freed to walk in resurrection life...to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. In Him is no sin.

there is a 4th stance.

That Jesus atoned for the sins of all those who believe in Him...and only those who believe in Him are forgiven.. the penalty of their sins being PAID FOR in full by Jesus.

they believe that resurrection life and the victory over sin and eternal life in right here and right now based on being born again into the family of God. They believe that we can walk in the spirit the moment we are saved. We maintain however that we are in the process of being sanctified. That God continues to work in our lives. That he will chasten us when we get out of line, and he will grow us intil the day we depart this world. so we continue to run the race. But never are so proud we think we have arrived at anything other then being a work in progress in our daily lives.

We maintain that not only does Grace give us the power over sin. It gives us the power to overcome sin, as we are free to boldly go to the throne of Grace, and are not given the spirit of fear.. We confess our sins to God and as he said each other. so we may find healing

Once again Sir Episkopos has proved he does not listen to anything people say, He thinks he knows what they believe. and of course. He is always right. anyone who says he is wrong will be mocked. so I will wait patiently to see what kind of mocking response he will make to once again being shown what we really believe, and correcting his slander against us

 

[VictoryinJesus]

we are born again by the hand of God. not by our own hands or the hands of men, you are correct if this is what you are implying

1 Peter 1:23

having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

so how is one born again?

You said “we are born again by the hand of God. not by our own hands or the hands of men, you are correct if this is what you are implying.”

That is the connection. Yes that is what I was implying. John 3 you asked what it means to me. Which this morning I do doubt what I hear. So I strongly emphasize what it has meant to me. Meaning at this point I am not arguing I could be wrong. But wondering if I am terribly wrong about so much of it.

You keep asking what does it mean. To me:
Nicodemus was of the Pharisees…to me of them stands out with “the works of men’s hands” nicodemus being one of them. Cloned. “Of” from beneath… “of” the passing down of generations upon generations of “the works of men’s hands” …asking how do you be born anew?”

nicodemus is saying what the Pharisees said “whose doctrine is this”? What is this, This fellow teaches? Or at least I think that is implied. Isn’t that which is born of God …born of us? Aren’t the works of men’s hands the same as that made without hands and of God? Nicodemus tells Christ “I know you come from God.” This coming from a man who is “of” that which is made with the hands of men… is asking how can one be made without hands, born of God?

Unless one is born of water and the Spirit.
unless you eat My Flesh and drink My blood.
…he cannot be My disciple.
…he can not enter the Kingdom of God.

Contrasted is Nicodemus being “of” the works of men’s hands …asking how is one made without hands, of God?

What is born with and out from the works of men’s hands is from beneath. The Living Water I give is from above, not that made with mens hands…but made without hands and of God. How does one drink this Living Water?

“I know you are of God.”
“I know you are this Living Water,” please give me to drink. Basically I hear Nicodemus (of the Pharisees) asking for the same thing the woman by the well asks…how can you give to drink when you have nothing to draw with? “If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto Me.”

I hear him asking Nicodemus why he is amazed when he spent time in and of “that made with the works of men” and says I have never seen another man do the works you do except God be with and for him.

Not by the works of men’s hands…but of God the circumcision made without hands.
“Who do you say I am?”
Maybe nicodemus could have said “you are Him.” “You are the circumcision made without hands, of God.”

Wait, Nicodemus did say that “I know you are of God.” …the putting off of the sins of the flesh by the body of Christ. I think this is what He was talking to Nicodemus about … the Living Water. Contrasted with what Nicodemus had experienced and his asking Nicodemus “if you being a master of Israel how is you do not know these things?” To me it is because it isn’t for the works of men’s hands…but made without hands and given of God. Same as the woman by the well, I think Jesus Christ was telling Nicodemus the difference of the works of men’s hands…same with see this well dug? Who dung it? …from “Sir, where are you going to get this Living Water you speak of?” To Nicodemus why have I not seen another man being of the works of men’s hands; I haven’t seen them do what you do?

You may say that is a mix-match. But to me it is the same teaching and does connect. Same as bread that perishes and “I am that Bread of Life.” …not isolated, and disjointed, but given of the same Spirit.

 

[Jim B]

If ye have seen ME phillip you have SEEN the Father . THERE is but one way
and ONE way alone . JESUS CHRIST . It aint if ya seen the budda you seen the father . BUDDA is of the devil .
Muhammed was of the devil . Hinduism is of the devil . If you have followed any other , THAN JESUS CHRIST
i got real bad news , one follows the devil . Budda and good works cannot save
the muslim god and good works cannot save
The gods of the hindu religion and all the hugs in the world cannot save .
YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . PEROID .

a) The Muslim God is the same as the Judeo-Christian God.
b) What is it about "God so loved the world" that you don't understand? All you do is condemn those whom God loves.
c) There is no such word in English as "PEROID".

 

[Michiah-Imla]

There is no such word in English as "PEROID".

 

[Jim B]

Rather odd that those whose faith in CHRIST sees epi doing just this . he praises anyone and everyone that follows him
yall are the guilty ones . As for me and others we gonna POINT TO CHRIST ALONE . not to ego .

You are mired in self-deception. You want everyone to accept you and your universal condemnation. You say that you point to Christ alone, but you really want others to accept what you say.

Jesus said, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls". Matthew 11:28-29

You, on the other hand, are anything but gentle and humble in heart! You are always on the attack and filled with pride. Why not write more about how Jesus really loves people?

 

[Jim B]

YET folks that refuse to teach the lost they must believe , DONT KNOW HIM EITHER .
So sure grace and truth came from CHRIST , but any gospel , any grace , any truth so called
that omits the dire necessity to believe on CHRIST , well it aint no gospel it aint grace and sure aint truth .
Its a lie . And all who love a lie will face the lake of fire . TIME to preach JESUS CHRIST and not this other
dung filled mindset

So you are blaspheming what the apostle John wrote??? This is your reply to SCRIPTURE???

 

[Jim B]

there is a 4th stance.

That Jesus atoned for the sins of all those who believe in Him...and only those who believe in Him are forgiven.. the penalty of their sins being PAID FOR in full by Jesus.

they believe that resurrection life and the victory over sin and eternal life in right here and right now based on being born again into the family of God. They believe that we can walk in the spirit the moment we are saved. We maintain however that we are in the process of being sanctified. That God continues to work in our lives. That he will chasten us when we get out of line, and he will grow us intil the day we depart this world. so we continue to run the race. But never are so proud we think we have arrived at anything other then being a work in progress in our daily lives.

We maintain that not only does Grace give us the power over sin. It gives us the power to overcome sin, as we are free to boldly go to the throne of Grace, and are not given the spirit of fear.. We confess our sins to God and as he said each other. so we may find healing

Once again Sir Episkopos has proved he does not listen to anything people say, He thinks he knows what they believe. and of course. He is always right. anyone who says he is wrong will be mocked. so I will wait patiently to see what kind of mocking response he will make to once again being shown what we really believe, and correcting his slander against us

Jesus' sacrifice paid the price for all sins committed by everyone. ALL ARE FORGIVEN! There is not a single person or a single sin that has not been forgiven by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

John 3:17, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

That is the basis of Christianity. To think that there are sins that have not been paid for is blasphemy.

 

[GTW27]

a) The Muslim God is the same as the Judeo-Christian God.
b) What is it about "God so loved the world" that you don't understand? All you do is condemn those whom God loves.
c) There is no such word in English as "PEROID".

"The Muslim God is the same as the Judeo-Christian God." Not so!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I see a difference in the things God speaks to me through His Word, and the teachings and sayings of Scripture. Sometimes God takes a portion completely from it's context (or not) in a personal word to me, to encourage, empower, rebuke, whatever it is He wants to say. But I see that being for me alone, and not be mixed with the teaching of the Word.

Much love!

Why not? Teachings without heart are stale and robotic in my opinion. Cold. If God shares with you something during your low times…maybe I should rephrase when I asked is it wrong? Maybe instead. is it wrong to share what He gave to you in the low times with others also in a low time? Isn’t that the teaching? Help. Comfort. Rest? Edifying. Building up of one another. So what is ‘the teaching’ you said has to be separate and careful not to mix with what he has shared with you during struggles? Or open moments of vulnerability? That is concerning that is considered not able to mix with the teaching. Again, isn’t that the teaching? Or is the teaching something apart from helps, comfort, edification and building one another up? I guess if the teaching is no need for any of that…not interested…don’t want or need that…like this board returns. Then yes, I can see your point of keep it to yourself and don’t mix it with the teaching.

 

[ChristisGod]

If ye have seen ME phillip you have SEEN the Father . THERE is but one way
and ONE way alone . JESUS CHRIST . It aint if ya seen the budda you seen the father . BUDDA is of the devil .
Muhammed was of the devil . Hinduism is of the devil . If you have followed any other , THAN JESUS CHRIST
i got real bad news , one follows the devil . Budda and good works cannot save
the muslim god and good works cannot save
The gods of the hindu religion and all the hugs in the world cannot save .
YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . PEROID .

But we know Jesus is the Son, not the Father.

 

[ChristisGod]

There are 3 possible stances for "believers" to take in regard to the death and resurrection of Jesus.

The first: That Jesus atoned for the sins of all those who believe in Him...so that only those who believe in Him are forgiven...the penalty of their sins being PAID FOR in full by Jesus. These don't believe that resurrection life is for this time..they only see the victory over sin and eternal life in the next age. They maintain that they will always sin as long as they live in the flesh....that they must also live ACCORDING to the flesh (but as little as possible). They maintain that grace doesn't give them power over sin. They believe in a sinful holiness.

However, these are in unbelief...concerning the resurrection power of Christ. And they will see my position and testimony as denying the "gospel" of unlimited forgiveness for their continuing carnal life of sin.

The second: These maintain that resurrection life is possible due to the divine nature "infused" into them at new birth. They believe that they already have within them ALL that is necessary to walk in the victory of Jesus...WITHOUT having to go to God for a full measure of grace. These maintain that no seeking the face of God is necessary.

They believe they can grow into a Promised Land walk..by sheer belief in the bible. All is done through a "reckoning" more and more until it becomes reality. Sure, some improvement can be made...but it is always learning (and improving somewhat) but NEVER coming to the knowledge (and experience) of the truth.

However, these are in make-believe mode. They want to think that the foundation is in them...rather than having to go to Christ for a foundation in HIM. There is a sentimentality here of seeing oneself as being very precious in God's sight...whereas God is NOT a respecter of persons in judgment. We are given a sample of initial grace to TASTE and see how good God is...so we can go to Him and offer ourselves as a living sacrifice to Him.

The 3rd: We maintain the sample of initial grace given at new birth informs us of God's mercy and His loving-kindness...WITHOUT considering ourselves to be of any value or claiming any status for ourselves. We are only unprofitable servants. The value is only found in the Lord. We believe we need to go to God to be empowered by grace to walk as Jesus walked...according to the biblical testimony...in order to experience the life and victory spoken of as a personal testimonial by the bible authors.

Grace is only given to the humble when they exhibit a fulness of faith...believing with ALL one's heart...with a faith that is then translated into another level of faith...the faith OF Christ. So we go from faith to Faith. In so doing we get a personal testimony of our own that is as genuine and authentic as any people we read about in the bible. It is the testimony of saints only as it is experienced to the glory of God.

We maintain that the cross of Christ KILLS the outer man of the flesh so that the inner man is freed to walk in resurrection life...to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. In Him is no sin.

Is Jesus a man in heaven right now ? Watch epi deny the resurrection of Jesus and the gospel right now.

I’m calling your bluff and getting through all the fluff.

 

[Jim B]

"The Muslim God is the same as the Judeo-Christian God." Not so!

Is so!

a) Most mainstream Muslims would generally agree they worship the same God that Christians — or Jews — worship.
b) All Muslims and most Christians acknowledge that they believe in the same god even though their understandings differ.
c) The Catholic Church since Vatican II has taught in different ways that Muslims and Christians do worship the same God.
d) As per the Qura'an, Allah is the God of all and not just Muslims.
e) The three religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam readily fit the definition of monotheism, which is to worship one god while denying the existence of other gods. But, the relationship of the three religions is closer than that: They claim to worship the same God.
f) They both believe a powerful God who created the world and everything in it. The almighty God for Christian's is just called God, but for Muslim's he is called Allah. Different names but the same God.

... various online sources

 

[ChristisGod]

Is so!

a) Most mainstream Muslims would generally agree they worship the same God that Christians — or Jews — worship.
b) All Muslims and most Christians acknowledge that they believe in the same god even though their understandings differ.
c) The Catholic Church since Vatican II has taught in different ways that Muslims and Christians do worship the same God.
d) As per the Qura'an, Allah is the God of all and not just Muslims.
e) The three religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam readily fit the definition of monotheism, which is to worship one god while denying the existence of other gods. But, the relationship of the three religions is closer than that: They claim to worship the same God.
f) They both believe a powerful God who created the world and everything in it. The almighty God for Christian's is just called God, but for Muslim's he is called Allah. Different names but the same God.

... various online sources

Yikes more who cannot discern the true God from a false god, the real Christ from the false christs.

And epi gave your heretical beliefs above a thumbs up. Birds of a feather tge ecumenical movement as work all roads lead to heaven . No narrow or broad road as the Bible teaches .