What is the one true Church?

[BreadOfLife]

The scripture says to.....but of course He did not mean it....and I am probably not going to agree with your assessment of it.

So, in YOUR judgement, Jesus was a LIAR.

He commanded us to LOVE everyone (John 13:34) – yet YOU believe He taught us to HAYE our parents, in direct violation of God’s Commandment to HONOR them.,

That’s about the most idiotic thing you’ve said so far . . .

The reason I brought it up was over the Key thing. He said He was giving him the keys to heaven and what he bound on earth was bound in heaven.....but did not see a lot of that happening in the storyline because Peter did not take a leadership role.

Lett’s see . . .

- Annanias and Sapphira dropped dead at Peter’s judgement
- Peter brought the rest of the Twelve back to faith at Jesus’s prayerful request
- Peter spoke on behalf of the Twelve at Pentecost
- Peter is called the FIRST (Protos) Apostles in EVERY listing of the Twelve (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13)

BUT, he wasn’t the leader according to YOU . . .
What color is the sky in your world?

Well tell us the story.

No – YOU tell me the story of these “Inquisition Squads”.

YOU’RE the one who made it up in the first place . . .

While the Apostles were hiding
At the cross while the Apostles were hiding.

And again – the women weren’t the ones being hunted,.

Ya because the Romans did not like doing things to women...LOL

TRANSLATION:
“You proved me WRONG again . . .”

 

[Grailhunter]

So, in YOUR judgement, Jesus was a LIAR.

I don't think He was lying about the hate you mother thing or be perfect thing either.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don't think He was lying about the hate you mother thing or be perfect thing either.

Then you DON'T understand the Gospel.

THIS is the problem with people like you who interpret for themselves, forsaking the Church's Authority - and the reason there are so many perpetually-splintering factions.

Complete confusion . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

- Annanias and Sapphira dropped dead at Peter’s judgement
- Peter brought the rest of the Twelve back to faith at Jesus’s prayerful request
- Peter spoke on behalf of the Twelve at Pentecost
- Peter is called the FIRST (Protos) Apostles in EVERY listing of the Twelve (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13)

We have already went over this....
Peter was wonderful.....but not the leader of the Apostles.

No – YOU tell me the story of these “Inquisition Squads”.

The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews and Muslims. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions.

The Inquisition was a Roman Catholic tribunal for discovery and punishment of heresy, which was marked by the severity of questioning and punishment and lack of rights afforded to the accused.

While many people associate the Inquisition with Spain and Portugal, it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome. A later pope, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, in 1233, to combat the heresy of the Abilgenses, a religious sect in France. By 1255, the Inquisition was in full gear throughout Central and Western Europe; although it was never instituted in England or Scandinavia.

Initially a tribunal would open at a location and an edict of grace would be published calling upon those who are conscious of heresy to confess; after a period of grace, the tribunal officers could make accusations. Those accused of heresy were sentenced at an auto de fe, Act of Faith. Clergyman would sit at the proceedings and would deliver the punishments. Punishments included confinement to dungeons, physical abuse and torture. Those who reconciled with the church were still punished and many had their property confiscated, as well as were banished from public life. Those who never confessed were burned at the stake without strangulation; those who did confess were strangled first. During the 16th and 17th centuries, attendance at auto de fe reached as high as the attendance at bullfights.

In the beginning, the Inquisition dealt only with Christian heretics and did not interfere with the affairs of Jews. However, disputes about Maimonides’ books (which addressed the synthesis of Judaism and other cultures) provided a pretext for harassing Jews and, in 1242, the Inquisition condemned the Talmud and burned thousands of volumes. In 1288, the first mass burning of Jews on the stake took place in France.

In 1481 the Inquisition started in Spain and ultimately surpassed the medieval Inquisition, in both scope and intensity. Conversos (Secret Jews) and New Christians were targeted because of their close relations to the Jewish community, many of whom were Jews in all but their name. Fear of Jewish influence led Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand to write a petition to the Pope asking permission to start an Inquisition in Spain. In 1483 Tomas de Torquemada became the inquisitor-general for most of Spain, he set tribunals in many cities. Also heading the Inquisition in Spain were two Dominican monks, Miguel de Morillo and Juan de San Martin.

First, they arrested Conversos and notable figures in Seville; in Seville more than 700 Conversos were burned at the stake and 5,000 repented. Tribunals were also opened in Aragon, Catalonia and Valencia. An Inquisition Tribunal was set up in Ciudad Real, where 100 Conversos were condemned, and it was moved to Toledo in 1485. Between 1486-1492, 25 auto de fes were held in Toledo, 467 people were burned at the stake and others were imprisoned. The Inquisition finally made its way to Barcelona, where it was resisted at first because of the important place of Spanish Conversos in the economy and society.

continued.....​

 

[Grailhunter]

More than 13,000 Conversos were put on trial during the first 12 years of the Spanish Inquisition. Hoping to eliminate ties between the Jewish community and Conversos, the Jews of Spain were expelled in 1492..

The next phase of the Inquisition began in Portugal in 1536: King Manuel I had initially asked Pope Leo X to begin an inquisition in 1515, but only after Leo's death in 1521 did Pope Paul III agree to Manuel's request. Thousands of Jews came to Portugal after the 1492 expulsion. A Spanish style Inquisition was constituted and tribunals were set up in Lisbon and other cities. Among the Jews who died at the hands of the Inquisition were well-known figures of the period such as Isaac de Castro Tartas, Antonio Serrao de Castro and Antonio Jose da Silva. The Inquisition never stopped in Spain and continued until the late 18th century.

By the second half of the 18th century, the Inquisition abated, due to the spread of enlightened ideas and the weakening of the Catholic Church's power due to the Protestant reform. The last auto de fe in Portugal took place on October 27, 1765. Not until 1808, during the brief reign of Joseph Bonaparte, was the Inquisition abolished in Spain. An estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition. In Portugal, about 40,000 cases were tried, although only 1,800 were burned, the rest made penance.

The Inquisition was not limited to Europe; it also spread to Spanish and Portuguese colonies in the New World and Asia. Many Jews and Conversos fled from Portugal and Spain to the New World seeking greater security and economic opportunities. Branches of the Portugese Inquisition were set up in Goa and Brazil. Spanish tribunals and auto de fes were set up in Mexico, the Philippine Islands, Guatemala, Peru, New Granada and the Canary Islands. By the late 18th century, most of these were dissolved.
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The Inquisition had its start in the 12th-century Kingdom of France, with the aim of combating religious deviation (e.g. apostasy or heresy), particularly among the Cathars and the Waldensians. The inquisitorial courts from this time until the mid-15th century are together known as the Medieval Inquisition. Other groups investigated during the Medieval Inquisition, which primarily took place in France and Italy, include the Spiritual Franciscans, the Hussites, and the Beguines. Beginning in the 1250s, inquisitors were generally chosen from members of the Dominican Order, replacing the earlier practice of using local clergy as judges.[4]

During the Late Middle Ages and the early Renaissance, the scope of the Inquisition grew significantly in response to the Protestant Reformation and the Catholic Counter-Reformation. During this period, the Inquisition conducted by the Holy See was known as the Roman Inquisition. The Inquisition also expanded to other European countries,[5] resulting in the Spanish Inquisition and the Portuguese Inquisition. The Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions was instead focused particularly on the New Christians or Conversos, as the former Jews who converted to Christianity to avoid antisemitic regulations and persecution were called, the anusim (people who were forced to abandon Judaism against their will by violence and threats of expulsion) and on Muslim converts to Catholicism. The scale of the persecution of converted Muslims and converted Jews in Spain and Portugal was the result of suspicions that they had secretly reverted to their previous religions, although both religious minority groups were also more numerous on the Iberian Peninsula than in other parts of Europe, as well as the fear of possible rebellions and armed uprisings, as had occurred in previous times.

During this time, Spain and Portugal operated inquisitorial courts not only in Europe, but also throughout their empires in Africa, Asia, and the Americas. This resulted in the Goa Inquisition, the Peruvian Inquisition, and the Mexican Inquisition, among others.

In 1484 Pope Innocent VIII issued the Bull Summis Desideranter, authorizing two Dominican Inquisitors, Heinrich Kramer and Jakob Sprenger, to systemize the procedures for the interrogation of witches. Two years later in 1486, they produced a manual called the Malleus Maleficarum, which is Latin for The Hammer Of Witches which was more or less a manual on how to torture women. According to the Malleus Maleficarum children were allowed to be tortured after the age of 9.The Church financed and supervised the publishing of the manuals that were ordered and sent out to all Inquisitors. This manual was published with 14 editions between 1486 and 1520, and at least 16 other editions between 1574 and 1669. All editions were printed under the supervision and the authority of the Church and distributed by the Church to the Inquisitors. Some of the so called truths it preached was; That the belief in such things as witches was so essential a part of the Catholic faith that obstinately to maintain the opposite option was in itself heresy.

A few passages from the Malleus Maleficarum that the Pope indorsed; “When a woman thinks alone she thinks only of evil. Since they are feebler in the mind and body it is not surprising that they should come under the spell of witchcraft. Witchcraft comes from the carnal lust which in women is insatiable. .... Satan uses sex as a tool to lead men to perdition and the bodies of women so serve Satan. …. Women are lustful, false, vain, vindictive, mean-minded, and weak willed.-- Ever since Eve offered the apple to Adam, they had lured men to perdition.

 

[Grailhunter]

And again – the women weren’t the ones being hunted,.

Christian women....you might want to look into that.

And I am not going to get into all the things the Romans liked to do to Christian women......look it up yourself.

 

[Illuminator]

Then you DON'T understand the Gospel.

THIS is the problem with people like you who interpret for themselves, forsaking the Church's Authority - and the reason there are so many perpetually-splintering factions.

Complete confusion . . .

Beware of groanhunters who don't cite sources.
His only source is a false book that was never any kind of guide, that stole the first paragraph from Summis desiderantes, on a deceiving pretense to make it look like it was from the pope, with devastating social consequences for 200 years, as I already explained, twice. That's why it made the list of prohibited books that he has tattooed on his brain. It's available on line as I already explained to him. Here he is, vomiting the same impotent venom because he likes the taste.

The Protestant Inquisition, a thorough, well documented treatise featuring Protestant and secular scholars with an immense bibliography that he will never read.
Now he regurgitates 18th century polemical myths about the Inquisition, too much of a coward to cite sources. Real historians no longer accept inquisition myths, (like the Black Legend) they are not about to jeopardize their credentials by repeating myths from liars. I've seen plenty of phony liars in my day, but some posts in this thread wins the prize.

Myth of the Spanish Inquisition - BBC Documentary​

This BBC documentary was removed from the marketplace shortly after its release and copies of the film can no longer be purchased or found in libraries. It's believed the removal was the work of the enemies of the Catholic Church . The recording in this video was captured from a TV screen which is why the quality is poor.

• The myth of the Inquisition refuted by modern historians | UCCR​

  The Many Myths Of The Spanish Inquisition - The Postil​

  The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition What is the myth of …​

  Debunking the anti-Christian myths about the Spanish …​

  The Myth of the "Spanish Inquisition" - The Real History …​

 

[BreadOfLife]

Christian women....you might want to look into that.

And I am not going to get into all the things the Romans liked to do to Christian women......look it up yourself.

Ummmm, the Romans weren’t even a factor yet when it came to the early Christians. That came LATER – but you actually have to be a student of history to know that.

And IF we’re going by what the Bible tells us – there was NO evidence to suggest that the Jews were hunting the women.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ummmm, the Romans weren’t even a factor yet when it came to the early Christians.

Very wrong!

there was NO evidence to suggest that the Jews were hunting the women.

I didn't say anything about the Jews

 

[BreadOfLife]

More than 13,000 Conversos were put on trial during the first 12 years of the Spanish Inquisition. Hoping to eliminate ties between the Jewish community and Conversos, the Jews of Spain were expelled in 1492..

The next phase of the Inquisition began in Portugal in 1536: King Manuel I had initially asked Pope Leo X to begin an inquisition in 1515, but only after Leo's death in 1521 did Pope Paul III agree to Manuel's request. Thousands of Jews came to Portugal after the 1492 expulsion. A Spanish style Inquisition was constituted and tribunals were set up in Lisbon and other cities. Among the Jews who died at the hands of the Inquisition were well-known figures of the period such as Isaac de Castro Tartas, Antonio Serrao de Castro and Antonio Jose da Silva. The Inquisition never stopped in Spain and continued until the late 18th century.

By the second half of the 18th century, the Inquisition abated, due to the spread of enlightened ideas and the weakening of the Catholic Church's power due to the Protestant reform. The last auto de fe in Portugal took place on October 27, 1765. Not until 1808, during the brief reign of Joseph Bonaparte, was the Inquisition abolished in Spain. An estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition. In Portugal, about 40,000 cases were tried, although only 1,800 were burned, the rest made penance.

The Inquisition was not limited to Europe; it also spread to Spanish and Portuguese colonies in the New World and Asia. Many Jews and Conversos fled from Portugal and Spain to the New World seeking greater security and economic opportunities. Branches of the Portugese Inquisition were set up in Goa and Brazil. Spanish tribunals and auto de fes were set up in Mexico, the Philippine Islands, Guatemala, Peru, New Granada and the Canary Islands. By the late 18th century, most of these were dissolved.
​

The Inquisition had its start in the 12th-century Kingdom of France, with the aim of combating religious deviation (e.g. apostasy or heresy), particularly among the Cathars and the Waldensians. The inquisitorial courts from this time until the mid-15th century are together known as the Medieval Inquisition. Other groups investigated during the Medieval Inquisition, which primarily took place in France and Italy, include the Spiritual Franciscans, the Hussites, and the Beguines. Beginning in the 1250s, inquisitors were generally chosen from members of the Dominican Order, replacing the earlier practice of using local clergy as judges.[4]

During the Late Middle Ages and the early Renaissance, the scope of the Inquisition grew significantly in response to the Protestant Reformation and the Catholic Counter-Reformation. During this period, the Inquisition conducted by the Holy See was known as the Roman Inquisition. The Inquisition also expanded to other European countries,[5] resulting in the Spanish Inquisition and the Portuguese Inquisition. The Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions was instead focused particularly on the New Christians or Conversos, as the former Jews who converted to Christianity to avoid antisemitic regulations and persecution were called, the anusim (people who were forced to abandon Judaism against their will by violence and threats of expulsion) and on Muslim converts to Catholicism. The scale of the persecution of converted Muslims and converted Jews in Spain and Portugal was the result of suspicions that they had secretly reverted to their previous religions, although both religious minority groups were also more numerous on the Iberian Peninsula than in other parts of Europe, as well as the fear of possible rebellions and armed uprisings, as had occurred in previous times.

During this time, Spain and Portugal operated inquisitorial courts not only in Europe, but also throughout their empires in Africa, Asia, and the Americas. This resulted in the Goa Inquisition, the Peruvian Inquisition, and the Mexican Inquisition, among others.

In 1484 Pope Innocent VIII issued the Bull Summis Desideranter, authorizing two Dominican Inquisitors, Heinrich Kramer and Jakob Sprenger, to systemize the procedures for the interrogation of witches. Two years later in 1486, they produced a manual called the Malleus Maleficarum, which is Latin for The Hammer Of Witches which was more or less a manual on how to torture women. According to the Malleus Maleficarum children were allowed to be tortured after the age of 9.The Church financed and supervised the publishing of the manuals that were ordered and sent out to all Inquisitors. This manual was published with 14 editions between 1486 and 1520, and at least 16 other editions between 1574 and 1669. All editions were printed under the supervision and the authority of the Church and distributed by the Church to the Inquisitors. Some of the so called truths it preached was; That the belief in such things as witches was so essential a part of the Catholic faith that obstinately to maintain the opposite option was in itself heresy.

A few passages from the Malleus Maleficarum that the Pope indorsed; “When a woman thinks alone she thinks only of evil. Since they are feebler in the mind and body it is not surprising that they should come under the spell of witchcraft. Witchcraft comes from the carnal lust which in women is insatiable. .... Satan uses sex as a tool to lead men to perdition and the bodies of women so serve Satan. …. Women are lustful, false, vain, vindictive, mean-minded, and weak willed.-- Ever since Eve offered the apple to Adam, they had lured men to perdition.

Thank you for that "History channel" version of Church history - which is NEVER accurate and ALWAYS biased against the Church.

They also get the history of the Bible wrong, the Life of Jesus wrong - and everything else that pertains to Christianity. The History Channel claims that Jesus and Mary Magdalebe were secretly married. - so be careful who you trust as an "historical" source . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Very wrong!

You're obviously NOT a student of history.
Christians didn't start being persecuted until the reign of Nero - after the burning of Rome.

I didn't say anything about the Jews

That's because you're ignorant.
THAT'S who was after the Apostles - NOT the Romans.

 

[Jim B]

Thank you for that "History channel" version of Church history - which is NEVER accurate and ALWAYS biased against the Church.

They also get the history of the Bible wrong, the Life of Jesus wrong - and everything else that pertains to Christianity. The History Channel claims that Jesus and Mary Magdalebe were secretly married. - so be careful who you trust as an "historical" source . . .

The History Channel is not a one-person show. They air a variety of views on different subjects. I have watched many interesting, factual broadcasts on the History Channel and will continue to do so.

They are not biased against the church!

If you have evidence for your claims, then produce it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The History Channel is not a one-person show. They air a variety of views on different subjects. I have watched many interesting, factual broadcasts on the History Channel and will continue to do so.

They are not biased against the church!

If you have evidence for your claims, then produce it.

The Protestant site, Christian Research Institute’s Hank Hanegraaff gave a highly-publicized rebuke of the History Channel in the 90’s for the exact reasons I gave.

The fact that YOU believe the History Channel to be a credible source for Church history speaks VOLUMES about your ignorance.
They give credence to apocryphal works like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip because they claim that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene - among other provocative and anti-Biblical ideas.

 

[Grailhunter]

Thank you for that "History channel" version of Church history - which is NEVER accurate and ALWAYS biased against the Church.

Then why ask?
Gave you a few sources there.
Did not think you would agree with anything that was accurate.
And I gave you the opportunity to put it in your own words.

If you have evidence for your claims, then produce it.

You mean videos?

The Protestant site, Christian Research Institute’s Hank Hanegraaff gave a highly-publicized rebuke of the History Channel in the 90’s for the exact reasons I gave.

The fact that YOU believe the History Channel to be a credible source for Church history speaks VOLUMES about your ignorance.
They give credence to apocryphal works like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip because they claim that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene - among other provocative and anti-Biblical ideas.

Like I said I gave you a few sources there.

 

[Grailhunter]

You're obviously NOT a student of history.
Christians didn't start being persecuted until the reign of Nero - after the burning of Rome.

Ya know you need to look into this....you would learn a lot.....seriously.
As it is there is a lot of information between the testament regarding the Jews and the Greeks after Alexander the Great conquered Persia. And then the Jewish dynasties between the testaments after Alexander the Great conquered Persia and the various revolts.

• Kingdom of Judah, c. 930–587/586 BCE[3]
• Hasmonean dynasty, c. 140–37 BCE[4]
• Herodian dynasty, 47 BCE–100 CE
• Judean provisional government, 66–68 CE

https://www.padfield.com/acrobat/taylor/between.pdf

There are books on it. It is interesting and gives you feel for the animosity between the Greco-Romans and the Jews.
As far as how the Jewish-Christian women were treated by the Romans.....you will have to look that up for yourself because it is to nasty to put on here.
And I might have thrown you off when I said Christian women. Actually at the time of the Gospels the Christians were considered a Jewish sect. The Apostles were Jewish.....and the converts to Christianity were Jewish.
The Romans did not see the difference between the Jewish women and the Christian women and treated both accordingly.....horrible.
It was not until Christ was before Pilot that the Romans found out that the leader of this sect was calling Himself a king....from there it went down hill and the persecution of the Jewish-Christians increased, then you had the fire in Rome which Nero blamed the Christian for. And then the Jewish revolt in 66 AD and the Roman siege and destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ya know you need to look into this....you would learn a lot.....seriously.
As it is there is a lot of information between the testament regarding the Jews and the Greeks after Alexander the Great conquered Persia. And then the Jewish dynasties between the testaments after Alexander the Great conquered Persia and the various revolts.

• Kingdom of Judah, c. 930–587/586 BCE[3]
• Hasmonean dynasty, c. 140–37 BCE[4]
• Herodian dynasty, 47 BCE–100 CE
• Judean provisional government, 66–68 CE

https://www.padfield.com/acrobat/taylor/between.pdf

There are books on it. It is interesting and gives you feel for the animosity between the Greco-Romans and the Jews.
As far as how the Jewish-Christian women were treated by the Romans.....you will have to look that up for yourself because it is to nasty to put on here.
And I might have thrown you off when I said Christian women. Actually at the time of the Gospels the Christians were considered a Jewish sect. The Apostles were Jewish.....and the converts to Christianity were Jewish.
The Romans did not see the difference between the Jewish women and the Christian women and treated both accordingly.....horrible.
It was not until Christ was before Pilot that the Romans found out that the leader of this sect was calling Himself a king....from there it went down hill and the persecution of the Jewish-Christians increased, then you had the fire in Rome which Nero blamed the Christian for. And then the Jewish revolt in 66 AD and the Roman siege and destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.

WEAK.

The Roman guards at the tomb had a job to do - and PART of that job was to quell the Jews who had insisted on a 24 hour guard. Pilate would have had them put to death if they deviated from his orders. Hisotry tells us that he was a brutal man who was feared by his men.

The women at the tim were a NON-issue and just another deflection on YOUR part . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then why ask?
Gave you a few sources there.
Did not think you would agree with anything that was accurate.
And I gave you the opportunity to put it in your own words.
You mean videos?
Like I said I gave you a few sources there.

No - you got caught with your foot in your mouth, so you owent fisjing for sources to get information for something about which you have NO idea.

You just happened to pick a bad source.

 

[Marymog]

Peter was wonderful.....but not the leader of the Apostles.

SCRIPTURE DESTROYS WHAT YOUR FALSE PROPHETS HAVE TAUGHT YOU GRAILHUNTER:

Peter is mentioned 155 times and the rest of apostles combined are only mentioned 130 times.

Peter is always listed first except in 1 Cor. 3:22 and Gal. 2:9 (which are obvious exceptions to the rule).

Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29 – these are some of many examples where Peter is mentioned first among the apostles.

Matt. 14:28-29 – only Peter has the faith to walk on water. No other man in Scripture is said to have the faith to walk on water. This faith ultimately did not fail.

Matt. 16:16, Mark 8:29; John 6:69 – Peter is first among the apostles to confess the divinity of Christ.

Matt. 16:17 – Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father.

Matt. 16:18 – Jesus builds the Church only on Peter, the rock, with the other apostles as the foundation and Jesus as the Head.

Matt. 16:19 – only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority.

Matt. 17:24-25 – the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus’ tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ.

Matt. 17:26-27 – Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ’s representative on earth.

Matt. 18:21 – in the presence of the disciples, Peter asks Jesus about the rule of forgiveness. One of many examples where Peter takes a leadership role among the apostles in understanding Jesus’ teachings.

Matt. 19:27 – Peter speaks on behalf of the apostles by telling Jesus that they have left everything to follow Him.

Mark 10:28 – here also, Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples by declaring that they have left everything to follow Him.

Mark 11:21 – Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples in remembering Jesus’ curse on the fig tree.

Mark 14:37 – at Gethsemane, Jesus asks Peter, and no one else, why he was asleep. Peter is accountable to Jesus for his actions on behalf of the apostles because he has been appointed by Jesus as their leader.

Mark 16:7 – Peter is specified by an angel as the leader of the apostles as the angel confirms the resurrection of Christ.

Luke 5:3 – Jesus teaches from Peter’s boat which is metaphor for the Church. Jesus guides Peter and the Church into all truth.

Luke 5:4,10 – Jesus instructs Peter to let down the nets for a catch, and the miraculous catch follows. Peter, the Pope, is the “fisher of men.”

Luke 7:40-50- Jesus addresses Peter regarding the rule of forgiveness and Peter answers on behalf of the disciples. Jesus also singles Peter out and judges his conduct vis-à-vis the conduct of the woman who anointed Him.

Luke 8:45 – when Jesus asked who touched His garment, it is Peter who answers on behalf of the disciples.


Luke 8:51; 9:28; 22:8; Acts 1:13; 3:1,3,11; 4:13,19; 8:14 – Peter is always mentioned before John, the disciple whom Jesus loved.

Luke 9:28;33 – Peter is mentioned first as going to mountain of transfiguration and the only one to speak at the transfiguration.

Luke 12:41 – Peter seeks clarification of a parable on behalf on the disciples. This is part of Peter’s formation as the chief shepherd of the flock after Jesus ascended into heaven.

Luke 22:31-32 – Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.

Luke 24:12, John 20:4-6 – John arrived at the tomb first but stopped and waited for Peter. Peter then arrived and entered the tomb first.

Luke 24:34 – the two disciples distinguish Peter even though they both had seen the risen Jesus the previous hour. See Luke 24:33.

John 6:68 – after the disciples leave, Peter is the first to speak and confess his belief in Christ after the Eucharistic discourse.

John 13:6-9 – Peter speaks out to the Lord in front of the apostles concerning the washing of feet.

John 13:36; 21:18 – Jesus predicts Peter’s death. Peter was martyred at Rome in 67 A.D. Several hundred years of papal successors were also martyred.

John 21:2-3,11 – Peter leads the fishing and his net does not break. The boat (the “barque of Peter”) is a metaphor for the Church.

John 21:7 – only Peter got out of the boat and ran to the shore to meet Jesus. Peter is the earthly shepherd leading us to God.

John 21:15 – in front of the apostles, Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus “more than these,” which refers to the other apostles. Peter is the head of the apostolic see.

John 21:15-17 – Jesus charges Peter to “feed my lambs,” “tend my sheep,” “feed my sheep.” Sheep means all people, even the apostles.

Acts 1:13 – Peter is first when entering upper room after our Lord’s ascension. The first Eucharist and Pentecost were given in this room.

Acts 1:15 – Peter initiates the selection of a successor to Judas right after Jesus ascended into heaven, and no one questions him. Further, if the Church needed a successor to Judas, wouldn’t it need one to Peter? Of course.

Acts 2:14 – Peter is first to speak for the apostles after the Holy Spirit descended upon them at Pentecost. Peter is the first to preach the Gospel.

Acts 2:38 – Peter gives first preaching in the early Church on repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

Acts 3:1,3,4 – Peter is mentioned first as going to the Temple to pray.

Acts 3:6-7 – Peter works the first healing of the apostles.

Acts 3:12-26, 4:8-12 – Peter teaches the early Church the healing through Jesus and that there is no salvation other than Christ.

Acts 5:3 – Peter declares the first anathema of Ananias and Sapphira which is ratified by God, and brings about their death. Peter exercises his binding authority.

Acts 5:15 – Peter’s shadow has healing power. No other apostle is said to have this power.

Acts 8:14 – Peter is mentioned first in conferring the sacrament of confirmation.

Acts 8:20-23 – Peter casts judgment on Simon’s quest for gaining authority through the laying on of hands. Peter exercises his binding and loosing authority.

Acts 9:32-34 – Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and works the healing of Aeneas.

Acts 9:38-40 – Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and raises Tabitha from the dead.

Acts 10:5 – Cornelius is told by an angel to call upon Peter. Angels are messengers of God. Peter was granted this divine vision.

Acts 10:34-48, 11:1-18 – Peter is first to teach about salvation for all (Jews and Gentiles).

Acts 12:5 – this verse implies that the “whole Church” offered “earnest prayers” for Peter, their leader, during his imprisonment.

Acts 12:6-11 – Peter is freed from jail by an angel. He is the first object of divine intervention in the early Church.

Acts 15:7-12 – Peter resolves the first doctrinal issue on circumcision at the Church’s first council at Jerusalem, and no one questions him. After Peter the Papa spoke, all were kept silent.

Acts 15:12 – only after Peter speaks do Paul and Barnabas (bishops) speak in support of Peter’s definitive teaching.

Acts 15:13-14 – then James speaks to further acknowledge Peter’s definitive teaching. “Simeon (Peter) has related how God first visited…”

Rom. 15:20 – Paul says he doesn’t want to build on “another man’s foundation” referring to Peter, who built the Church in Rome.

1 Cor. 9:5 – Peter is distinguished from the rest of the apostles and brethren of the Lord.

1 Cor. 15:4-8 – Paul distinguishes Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances to Peter from those of the other apostles. Christ appeared “to Cephas, then to the twelve.”

Gal.1:18 – Paul spends fifteen days with Peter privately before beginning his ministry, even after Christ’s Revelation to Paul.

1 Peter 5:1 – Peter acts as the chief bishop by “exhorting” all the other bishops and elders of the Church.

2 Peter 3:16 – Peter is making a judgment on the proper interpretation of Paul’s letters. Peter is the chief shepherd of the flock.

 

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SCRIPTURE DESTROYS WHAT YOUR FALSE PROPHETS HAVE TAUGHT YOU GRAILHUNTER:

groanhunter has no teachers other than himself. He refuses to support his opinions with any acknowledged historian or theologian because he claims those distinctions for himself. He has no evidence that Peter was NOT leader of the Apostles and the whole Church, so his theories are totally self fabricated, in defiance of scripture and history. People apostatize because of their sins, the same as every apostate throughout history. He enjoys aggravating and irritating with stupid flaming zingers. When his falsehoods get flattened, he just repeats the same nonsense over again like he did with his obsession with a false book, OR runs away with different idiotic claim. T-R-O-L-L

 

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groanhunter has no teachers other than himself. He refuses to support his opinions with any acknowledged historian or theologian because he claims those distinctions for himself. He has no evidence that Peter was NOT leader of the Apostles and the whole Church, so his theories are totally self fabricated, in defiance of scripture and history. People apostatize because of their sins, the same as every apostate throughout history. He enjoys aggravating and irritating with stupid flaming zingers. When his falsehoods get flattened, he just repeats the same nonsense over again like he did with his obsession with a false book, OR runs away with different idiotic claim. T-R-O-L-L

He's also selectively Sola Scriptura - but ONLY when it comes to Peter.

The word, "leader" is never used in Scripture as it pertains to Peter, so he COULDN'T be the eader. Nevermind the fact that the word "Bible" is never used in the Bible - nor is the word "Trinity", even though the doctrine is relentlessly taught.

He's been trying to explain to me how the "perverted" Roman soldiers persistently molested the Jewsich womsn in the NT - yet he cannot produce a SINGLE verse to support this.

BUT - we're supposed to accept his verrsion of Peter being the stooge of the Apostles who was merely the "clerk" who Annaniaas and Sapphira were supposed to pay, but didn't.

Utter hypocrisy . . .