If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

[Lapidem]

Sorry Wrangler but I'm done with your hogwash. You're nothing but a wind-up merchant constantly regurgitating the same nonsense in order to frustrate. You've made yourself and all those hooked into your belief system look utter fools and religious zealots. You can't debate honestly and as such there's no value in further exchange with you. Enjoy your delusions.

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry Wrangler but I'm done with your hogwash. You're nothing but a wind-up merchant constantly regurgitating the same nonsense in order to frustrate. You've made yourself and all those hooked into your belief system look utter fools and religious zealots. You can't debate honestly and as such there's no value in further exchange with you. Enjoy your delusions.

well, that is basically the ppl you are trying to reach, right

 

[Lapidem]

well, that is basically the ppl you are trying to reach, right

Not necessarily no. There are others here. And casual visitors who would dwell in this section rather than the main sections.

 

[bbyrd009]

Not necessarily no. There are others here. And casual visitors who would dwell in this section rather than the main sections.

so in that vein i suggest that all one can really do is plant a seed, whereas we expect to get a more immediate affirmation which almost never happens

 

[amadeus]

so in that vein i suggest that all one can really do is plant a seed, whereas we expect to get a more immediate affirmation which almost never happens

Indeed, how many are able to see now the ways of others? [or of ourselves?] What could Jesus as a man of flesh see about 2000 years ago?

 

[bbyrd009]

Indeed, how many are able to see now the ways of others? [or of ourselves?] What could Jesus as a man of flesh see about 2000 years ago?

or today, for that matter :)
how ya been?

 

[amadeus]

or today, for that matter :)

Yet too many, it seems claim to know so much about so many... especially those with whom they disagree.

how ya been?

I 've had some miserable days, but all is looking better lately. For an extended period I stopped almost everything but reading my Bible and talking to God. I am trying to involve myself a little here again as He leads. How good is my vision? How well am I seeing? Is His face getting clearer?

Praise Him!

 

[bbyrd009]

No. But you don’t seem like much of a believer in God. What would you have me do?

or if the path of the Seventy is out of reach due to cares of the world, you might assume you are Esau, and go from there

and just generally speaking i would apply all the Scripture that you are currently applying to everyone else/other to yourself, and vice versa. Also you might change your pov in passages, when you find yourself identifying with a player in one. Try all the povs on, when there are more than two. There are always either two or three, which might remind you of…ya

anyway you have a definition of this “God” that i am not a believer in, and i would strongly suggest not having a definition of God at all, or at least not holding onto one so tightly. Any definition of Yah can only be wrong
probably

 

[bbyrd009]

oh and your englyshe Bible is…mostly crap ok, or at least scribed in your favor, you even pick the one you like best? If you arent reading from at least a lexicon or interlinear, i mean cmon you are strictly kidding yourself. And Paul omg he is so leading you on, so artfully.

It is poetry in motion, of the highest literacy, to listen to believers mangle Paul to their own destruction lol. I mean how many times have you heard “To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord” or “Every sin requires blood,” neither of which are anywhere in Scripture and are in fact quite antithetical to It?

anyway im currently married to the wife i dont want, and trying to figure out the unspotted/spotted sheep thing, any help appreciated :)

 

[BarneyFife]

What makes a fundamentalist think that their interpretation of the Bible is the one and true interpretation? Are they not acting as if they are God themselves when they assume that their interpretation must be infallible? I’ve never once heard a fundamentalist say that they could be reading the Bible wrong, they’re the only ones who hold the correct interpretation and everyone else is taking it out of context-except for them.

And also, how does it make any sense for a believer to say they don’t know what the future holds, but then turn around and say that you will come before God, in the future of course, after you die? I thought they don’t know what the future holds.

Also, how can a believer know anything at all when they say, “Only God knows”? If only God knows, then we cannot know anything at all, not even that God knows. It’s self-defeating.

I know I'm wrong about some of it. Couldn't I possibly be right about some of it, too?

How much does a person have to know about a belief system for it to be intellectually viable?

For that matter, is the only supreme being that would be worthy of devotion also only the one that is completely comprehensible?

 

[Wrangler]

No. But you don’t seem like much of a believer in God. What would you have me do?

you might assume you are Esau

Huh? I am not Esau. It's not an assumption. You've mentioned him numerous times. I've asked you to start a new thread on this to explore this idea you have.

 

[Wrangler]

anyway you have a definition of this “God” that i am not a believer in, and i would strongly suggest not having a definition of God at all, or at least not holding onto one so tightly. Any definition of Yah can only be wrong
probably

It's not about definitions. It's about making an apology, a defense of the Supreme Being who called you by name - OR NOT doing so. Anyone can claim anything. If you say you belief in God, that's one thing. But your posts do not reflect a defender of the faith. It's hard to support the claim that you believe in the God of Christ.

 

[bbyrd009]

Huh? I am not Esau. It's not an assumption

so go with that then, if you like :)
or i mean you could assume that you are Esau too, what could it hurt?
Legion is another good one for that imo, but Esau first, bc "red stew"

Anyone can claim anything. If you say you belief in God, that's one thing. But your posts do not reflect a defender of the faith

well, imo that is mostly bc faith is not a noun to me, and i have no use for that kind of "faith," which should not require any defense (in that manner) anyway? Fwiw i tell you that there is a diff kind of defense, that does not involve professing beliefs over common sense, usually requiring employment with ones' friends or peers, seems like; "why are you messing up our vaca/good time by helping this other" etc

It's hard to support the claim that you believe in the God of Christ.

ha well wadr its pretty hard to support the claim that you might ascend to heaven after you have died, to become an immortal alongside Yah too, but you arent having any probs doing that, right? Legion begged to go too, huh. Dont miss the pigs running over a cliff lol

It's about making an apology

as if Yah needed your help there lol
ok peace

 

[Wrangler]

as if Yah needed your help

Hmmm. Making an apology is not about what Yah needs but what he commands.

Regarding your ‘common sense’ faith that is not a noun, I noticed you don’t quote Scripture except in a circumspect way. You reference Esau and red stew and now legion proposing I ‘might’ want to assume I am these things - even though I am not. Nonsense is what you spout.

 

[bbyrd009]

Making an apology is not about what Yah needs but what he commands

well, idt so...you might Quote the v and we could see

Regarding your ‘common sense’ faith that is not a noun, I noticed you don’t quote Scripture except in a circumspect way

ah well i guess "faith" can also be used as a noun, so dont get me wrong ok; you are perfectly within your rights to use faith as a noun if you like!

You reference Esau and red stew and now legion proposing I ‘might’ want to assume I am these things - even though I am not. Nonsense is what you spout

maybe huh
anyway, you asked me so i told you, which doesnt mean you have to agree i guess

even though I am not

are you trying to convince me of something here?
how do you know, btw?

 

[bbyrd009]

"
In jiu-jitsu, as in leadership and life, the absence of ego and an abundance of humility are a prerequisite for success. My young son and daughter...are beginning to learn this approach to not only Jiu-Jitsu, but to life. Acknowledge a mistake and the undesirable place it will likely lead you, and then move on positively from that position.

We can’t undo what we have done, but we possess the ability to not make things worse. What is the one thing that prevents us from acting with humility when we find ourselves in a bad spot of our own making? Ego!"
Errol Doebler, Aspen Daily News

 

[Wrangler]

Making an apology is not about what Yah needs but what he commands

well, idt so...you might Quote the v and we could see

Would it make a difference if I quoted ‘the v?’

 

[Wrangler]

ah well i guess "faith" can also be used as a noun, so dont get me wrong ok; you are perfectly within your rights to use faith as a noun if you like!

Thank you for acknowledging my rights.

 

[Wrangler]

even though I am not

how do you know, btw?

How about you elaborate on your claim that I am Esau?

 

[bbyrd009]

Would it make a difference if I quoted ‘the v?’

we could see?

Thank you for acknowledging my rights.

well dont miss the point
it is truly revealed in its defense tbh
defending faith as a noun just rings differently than as a verb

How about you elaborate on your claim that I am Esau?

”red stew”
where everyone starts