How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

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ChristisGod

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We have the Bible which is the source of truth which we can discern truth from error, sound doctrine from false doctrine , the True Christ from the false christs, the true gospel from the false gospel etc …
BTW is this in your Bible ?

1 Corinthians 5
I wrote to you in my letter not to associatewith sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.

Matthew 18
If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.




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That's the religious reasoning that created thousands of denominations. All you have to do is make one verse more weighty than another....cherry-picking certain verses that seem to support a religious bent. The bible is written in a way that this can happen in thousands of ways.

The bible was written BY the Holy Spirit and can only be understood at its proper depth BY the Holy Spirit. If you think the words themselves that are filtered through temporal human mind are sufficient to understand eternal truths...then you become part of the problem.
2 tim 2: Study to show yourself approved a workman that needs not be ashamed, Rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 tim 3: 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

All of Gods children have the ability to interpret the word. we do not need people to interpret for us.

Gods word is all we have, because it is the only thing that can be trusted.
 
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What would make you say such a derogatory accusation about Christ ?

Does God place people with gifts in the body to build it up ? Yes or no
I am not the one who thinks that Jesus can't accomplish His will without my help, you are!
 

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you my friend are a false accuser

I called out an issue that many churches are having. I am not judging anyone to hell, or judging a particular church or denomination

I am calling out a problem I have witnessed first hand in many churches, and a problem I see in these chat roomns on an almost daily basis.

If you do not like people calling out sin when they see it. Then maybe there is more of a problem here you need to look at.
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I am not the one who thinks that Jesus can't accomplish His will without my help, you are!
Jesus doesn’t need anyone but He has placed people in the body of Christ to equip and build a healthy body. Are you denying Ephesians 4 and Roman’s 12 ?

Are Apostles His will ? Prophets ? Evangelists ? Pastors ? Teachers ?

Are the gifts of the spirit His will ?
 

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That is simply your opinion. You are obliquely judging part of the Body of Christ: the progressive denominations. Who has set you yup to be the judge of others in Christ?

No, I am not judging Him (Jesus).
sorry, But the above post is you judging him.. And I never said you were judging Jesus
 
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That's the religious reasoning that created thousands of denominations. All you have to do is make one verse more weighty than another....cherry-picking certain verses that seem to support a religious bent. The bible is written in a way that this can happen in thousands of ways.

The bible was written BY the Holy Spirit and can only be understood at its proper depth BY the Holy Spirit. If you think the words themselves that are filtered through a temporal human mind are sufficient to understand eternal truths...then you become part of the problem.

Why does God only give grace to the humble?
This coming from the one who cannot define the word spiritual from the Bible ?
 

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2 tim 2: Study to show yourself approved a workman that needs not be ashamed, Rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 tim 3: 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

All of Gods children have the ability to interpret the word. we do nto need people to interpret for us.

Gods word is all we have, because it is the only thing that can be trusted.
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That's the religious reasoning that created thousands of denominations. All you have to do is make one verse more weighty than another....cherry-picking certain verses that seem to support a religious bent. The bible is written in a way that this can happen in thousands of ways.

The bible was written BY the Holy Spirit and can only be understood at its proper depth BY the Holy Spirit. If you think the words themselves that are filtered through a temporal human mind are sufficient to understand eternal truths...then you become part of the problem.

Why does God only give grace to the humble?
One thing I do not do is cherry pick verses. When I post a thread there are plenty of scriptures to support any doctrine / teaching found in the Bible. You are projecting again epi.
 
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I’ll share it in the open then. If you don’t mind.

A little backstory. I didn’t know who my father is until I was in my forties. The man I was told was my father, was not my father. But instead a man my mother had an affair with, the result being me. I had no idea that my grandma whom I loved wrestled often with my being born out of wedlock.

My biological father whom I never met struggled with his own being a “bastard” to where after getting my mom pregnant during his own affair while he had a wife too…he wanted nothing to do with me.

When this came out in my late forties…it wasn’t until later that I started to wrestle with the conception of my husband and my first daughter. We have been married for thirty -five years…together since being teens. There was one other guy I was with. The more convicted I became wrestling with time periods the more I wrestled with “but how?” How is it and could it even be possible that I am exactly like my mother, in the same place as her. To me this is what you mean with coming to terms that we are no better. But How when I had no idea who I was, or who my father was, thinking I had the same father as my brother and sister…how was I in the same place now questioning the conception of our first daughter. I’m being truthful that never once had I considered this a possibility as we were a family, now with grandchildren.

The more I was bothered, I knew I had to tell my husband. He knew about the one guy. But we had never fully discussed the time periods. Immediately he looked up photos of the guy and his daughter on Facebook. To see if our first child looked anything like his.

My husband told our daughter she might not be his. But after this …none of us ever talked about it again. No test to confirm it. My husband and I are not together now but living separate. Not divorced but separated. We don’t talk about it but I know it is eating away at us.

I don’t push for a test to confirm. if it ends up that our daughter was conceived by another guy. I will lose everything. And I do mean everything. Not only will I fully be able to say I am my mother. My husband and mine relationship will implode….if it hasn’t already. My husbands family who have raised her as their first grandchild will view all of what we have lived differently. I think they will view me very differently. All the memories of that first grand baby. All the reason my husband and I fought to stay married. For our family. If we take a test and it turns out that way, I will be shamed and rightfully so. It will be embarrassing.

So your post truly makes me think of faith and trust in what he says on losing everything. But then I do also think of what my fear withholds in loss. Could there be healing? Am I selfishly to save my own face, withholding others opportunities towards forgiveness. My husband had no answers. Our daughter has no answers. And I have no answers. Instead at the moment…we bury it and deny it and ignore it …but it is there beating under the surface. I know it has and will to come out eventually. I’m afraid of the loss. I’m afraid of the loss of my marriage and loss of my life before and I’m afraid to have shame and remorse? But denying has had its own cost…because even though my husband hasn’t mentioned testing. He does mention the bite of resentment in words …always present in the possibility.

Even if we don’t test, I see the denial, ignoring, and burying of it is already ruining my marriage. It is only others don’t have the full truth yet about it.

Wrestled with whether or not to share this. But this is what I wrestle with in regards to losing all things, and even your own image…that you might gain His.
Now considering it…it would be a blessing to lose my own image (fully disclosed above), and gain His.
Okay, now that you’ve identified your cross, bare it up. The spirit Jesus is there to help you carry it ,in just a few more steps the Father awaits!

There’s only love, mercy, and forgiveness!
 
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Jesus doesn’t need anyone but He has placed people in the body of Christ to equip and build a healthy body. Are you denying Ephesians 4 and Roman’s 12 ?

Are Apostles His will ? Prophets ? Evangelists ? Pastors ? Teachers ?

Are the gifts of the spirit His will ?
You are the one who writes "Jesus doesn't need anyone", so you are contradicting yourself. There are people who carry on His message and His gifts, but He (the Savior) doesn't need anyone.

Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, and others are His helper-servants.

The gifts of the Spirit are distributed according to His will.
 

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You are the one who writes "Jesus doesn't need anyone", so you are contradicting yourself. There are people who carry on His message and His gifts, but He (the Savior) doesn't need anyone.

Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, and others are His helper-servants.

The gifts of the Spirit are distributed according to His will.
God has no needs . Gods will is for the church to be built up in the faith through those He appointed in His church through the spiritual gifts. So I have no contradictions as it’s you who is conflating the two with your equivocating. It’s known as the false dichotomy fallacy your are espousing.

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