How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

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amigo de christo

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what about the person who struggles.. Their bessetting sin. the sin they do not want to do. but they keep falling back to.

do we condemn this person as lost? Or do we stand by this person..
Put the fear of GOD in them . be grave about it .
Today most folks would call what simeon did no big deal . I mean he just offered money up
for the gift . But peter rebuked him so harshly the fear of GOD was in that man and HE REPENTED so fast .
CORRECT them . We are not condeming , we are admonishing them .
Think on that my dear friend . Paul said dont even eat with a covetous person . ITS not that we are condeming them .
WE are teaching them . If pastors and leaders were more serious about sin
the people going to their church would be more stirred up to cease it .
 
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I have something heavy on my heart. Wrestling of whether or not to share it. I have an example …I don’t know how long it would be though. Do you want to read it? Or pass?
If you feel uncomfortable sharing something, you can always PM those whom you trust.
 
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And modest! LOL!!!

All you ever do is "correct" others. You have the assumption that you are correct and just about every other Christian is not You are clearly deceived. You just enjoy setting yourself up as some kind of religious authority who has been given the task of judging other Christians and "correcting" them. When do you ever say anything positive about your brothers and sisters in Christ? Why don't you think that Jesus can tend His own flock?
If error is seen correction must be done .
Its not like you would tell your child once not to play with matches
but then later you see them doing it again and you just go up and hug them and say all is well .
CORRECT the error JIM .
 
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Put the fear of GOD in them . be grave about it .
Today most folks would call what simeon did no big deal . I mean he just offered money up
for the gift . But peter rebuked him so harshly the fear of GOD was in that man and HE REPENTED so fast .
CORRECT them . We are not condeming , we are admonishing them .
Think on that my dear friend . Paul said dont even eat with a covetous person . ITS not that we are condeming them .
WE are teaching them . If pastors and leaders were more serious about sin
the people going to their church would be more stirred up to cease it .
PUT THE FEAR OF GOD IN THEM??? That is your answer???

That is not "admonishing" them, that is attacking them. You are condemning them! You are not teaching them .

And once again, you attack others, including the leaders, in the body of Christ! "If pastors and leaders were more serious about sin the people going to their church would be more stirred up to cease it".

YOU SHOULD BE THE ONE FEARING GOD!!!
 

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If error is seen correction must be done .
Its not like you would tell your child once not to play with matches
but then later you see them doing it again and you just go up and hug them and say all is well .
CORRECT the error JIM .
You are suffering in the delusion of self-righteousness. You regard yourself as the teacher of others whom Christ has chosen to be His own! Do you really think that Jesus, the great shepherd, cannot manage His own flock? Did He appoint you as some under-shepherd?

If error is seen, then pray about it.

Your analogy about a child playing with matches clearly shows your self-delusion. Who commissioned you to be the "parent" of other Christians??? We have one Father -- God -- and you are neither Him nor His appointed representative. GET OVER YOURSELF!!!
 

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Confused over the debate between “higher calling” and “called me heavenward” …are they not the same? “Heavenward” and “higher calling”? I don’t get saying it doesn’t say “higher calling” (bad translation?) instead it says “heavenward …again are they not the same?
"Higher" introduces a comparison that doesn't exist in the passage.

There is not a "higher walk" and a "lower walk". There is the "upward calling" in Christ.

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To teach this as an higher and lower walk is to impose one's own ideas on this passage. It's just not in the text.

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Put the fear of GOD in them . be grave about it .
Today most folks would call what simeon did no big deal . I mean he just offered money up
for the gift . But peter rebuked him so harshly the fear of GOD was in that man and HE REPENTED so fast .
CORRECT them . We are not condeming , we are admonishing them .
Think on that my dear friend . Paul said dont even eat with a covetous person . ITS not that we are condeming them .
WE are teaching them . If pastors and leaders were more serious about sin
the people going to their church would be more stirred up to cease it .
Who says they do not already have the fear of God in them.

They already came to faith knowing they’re just condemnation. That should be fear enough.

What do you do about your besetting sin?
 

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He tried to make it seem like i was against doing good works .
JUST cause i said JESUS NEVER TAUGHT we could do good works and not beleive on HIM .
HE conviently omitted the part and made it seem like i was against good works . HE D OES this .
Me to. The mark of a deceiver. Twisting other people's words just the same as they twist the Scriptures.

Much love!
 
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Personally. I think you nailed it.
It is true I think. Being able to sit there and say “I do the same”.
BUT is that the point? To sit there and be content with doing the same? Is it only “to be alike” but is there no repentance and turning from it. I’m struggling to say what I really want to say. But stapling it (the body of Christ) to sinning, all being alike in kind and no movement otherwise …like a crutch or an excuse to stay there…what of let us move on?
Let us go on to maturity.

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YOU might be BIG TIME right on this one . That might very well be the reason why many are so judgmental .
THEY are hiding their own sins and feel like they make up for it by attacking others .
No . we must simply keep the original pattern . WE must confess our errors and pray to be healed .
And we must do all to help the others . correction is a big key as well as is all sound doctrine .
That's pretty common, comparing ourselves to others. As if we were any better.

That's what drives many posts and threads on this board, IMO, as a poster seeks to self-affirm by putting others down.

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"Higher" introduces a comparison that doesn't exist in the passage.

There is not a "higher walk" and a "lower walk". There is the "upward calling" in Christ.

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To teach this as an higher and lower walk is to impose one's own ideas on this passage. It's just not in the text.

Much love!
Amen
 
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I am a male. Feel free to pm
I’ll share it in the open then. If you don’t mind.

A little backstory. I didn’t know who my father is until I was in my forties. The man I was told was my father, was not my father. But instead a man my mother had an affair with, the result being me. I had no idea that my grandma whom I loved wrestled often with my being born out of wedlock.

My biological father whom I never met struggled with his own being a “bastard” to where after getting my mom pregnant during his own affair while he had a wife too…he wanted nothing to do with me.

When this came out in my late forties…it wasn’t until later that I started to wrestle with the conception of my husband and my first daughter. We have been married for thirty -five years…together since being teens. There was one other guy I was with. The more convicted I became wrestling with time periods the more I wrestled with “but how?” How is it and could it even be possible that I am exactly like my mother, in the same place as her. To me this is what you mean with coming to terms that we are no better. But How when I had no idea who I was, or who my father was, thinking I had the same father as my brother and sister…how was I in the same place now questioning the conception of our first daughter. I’m being truthful that never once had I considered this a possibility as we were a family, now with grandchildren.

The more I was bothered, I knew I had to tell my husband. He knew about the one guy. But we had never fully discussed the time periods. Immediately he looked up photos of the guy and his daughter on Facebook. To see if our first child looked anything like his.

My husband told our daughter she might not be his. But after this …none of us ever talked about it again. No test to confirm it. My husband and I are not together now but living separate. Not divorced but separated. We don’t talk about it but I know it is eating away at us.

I don’t push for a test to confirm. if it ends up that our daughter was conceived by another guy. I will lose everything. And I do mean everything. Not only will I fully be able to say I am my mother. My husband and mine relationship will implode….if it hasn’t already. My husbands family who have raised her as their first grandchild will view all of what we have lived differently. I think they will view me very differently. All the memories of that first grand baby. All the reason my husband and I fought to stay married. For our family. If we take a test and it turns out that way, I will be shamed and rightfully so. It will be embarrassing.

So your post truly makes me think of faith and trust in what he says on losing everything. But then I do also think of what my fear withholds in loss. Could there be healing? Am I selfishly to save my own face, withholding others opportunities towards forgiveness. My husband had no answers. Our daughter has no answers. And I have no answers. Instead at the moment…we bury it and deny it and ignore it …but it is there beating under the surface. I know it has and will to come out eventually. I’m afraid of the loss. I’m afraid of the loss of my marriage and loss of my life before and I’m afraid to have shame and remorse? But denying has had its own cost…because even though my husband hasn’t mentioned testing. He does mention the bite of resentment in words …always present in the possibility.

Even if we don’t test, I see the denial, ignoring, and burying of it is already ruining my marriage. It is only others don’t have the full truth yet about it.

Wrestled with whether or not to share this. But this is what I wrestle with in regards to losing all things, and even your own image…that you might gain His.
Now considering it…it would be a blessing to lose my own image (fully disclosed above), and gain His.
 
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I’ll share it in the open then. If you don’t mind.

A little backstory. I didn’t know who my father is until I was in my forties. The man I was told was my father, was not my father. But instead a man my mother had an affair with, the result being me. I had no idea that my grandma whom I loved wrestled often with my being born out of wedlock.

My biological father whom I never met struggled with his own being a “bastard” to where after getting my mom pregnant during his own affair while he had a wife too…he wanted nothing to do with me.

When this came out in my late forties…it wasn’t until later that I started to wrestle with the conception of my husband and my first daughter. We have been married for thirty -five years…together since being teens. There was one other guy I was with. The more convicted I became wrestling with time periods the more I wrestled with “but how?” How is it and could it even be possible that I am exactly like my mother, in the same place as her. To me this is what you mean with coming to terms that we are no better. But How when I had no idea who I was, or who my father was, thinking I had the same father as my brother and sister…how was I in the same place now questioning the conception of our first daughter. I’m being truthful that never once had I considered this a possibility as we were a family, now with grandchildren.

The more I was bothered, I knew I had to tell my husband. He knew about the one guy. But we had never fully discussed the time periods. Immediately he looked up photos of the guy and his daughter on Facebook. To see if our first child looked anything like his.

My husband told our daughter she might not be his. But after this …none of us ever talked about it again. No test to confirm it. My husband and I are not together now but living separate. Not divorced but separated. We don’t talk about it but I know it is eating away at us.

I don’t push for a test to confirm. if it ends up that our daughter was conceived by another guy. I will lose everything. And I do mean everything. Not only will I fully be able to say I am my mother. My husband and mine relationship will implode….if it hasn’t already. My husbands family who have raised her as their first grandchild will view all of what we have lived differently. I think they will view me very differently. All the memories of that first grand baby. All the reason my husband and I fought to stay married. For our family. If we take a test and it turns out that way, I will be shamed and rightfully so. It will be embarrassing.

So your post truly makes me think of faith and trust in what he says on losing everything. But then I do also think of what my fear withholds in loss. Could there be healing? Am I selfishly to save my own face, withholding others opportunities towards forgiveness. My husband had no answers. Our daughter has no answers. And I have no answers. Instead at the moment…we bury it and deny it and ignore it …but it is there beating under the surface. I know it has and will to come out eventually. I’m afraid of the loss. I’m afraid of the loss of my marriage and loss of my life before and I’m afraid to have shame and remorse? But denying has had its own cost…because even though my husband hasn’t mentioned testing. He does mention the bite of resentment in words …always present in the possibility.

Even if we don’t test, I see the denial, ignoring, and burying of it is already ruining my marriage. It is only other don’t have the full truth yet about it.

Wrestled with whether or not to share this. But this is what I wrestle with in regards to losing all things, and even your own image…that you might gain His.
Now considering it…it would be a blessing to lose my own image (fully disclosed above), and gain His.
I hit love, not because I love your story. But I love your openness.

Imagine if you kept this to yourself. Did not tell your daughter or your husband. Could there be healing? Yes, You may have prevented losing everything in this world. But would you? Would the guilt of what may be have not caused this anyway? we will never know.

What we do know is your guilt can now be healed. Because if your Gods child. he already knew all of this. Even if you got saved before this happened. He loves you as his child. even though you are an adopted child of His.

If God is for you. who can be against you!! Your body (church) should come beside you.. I guarantee many churches I know would condemn you for this sin, would shun you them self. may even say you could not have been saved and do that.

We all have our sins we look back on and regret. I am reminded all the time, as I believe my flesh and Satan wants to convict me and tell me how evil I am.. I am sure you have the same..

I will pray that things Go well for you and your daughter (as this affects her too) And just want you to know. God loves you both. We love you. And God said he will never leave nor forsake you. He will take care of you.. Sadly we all suffer results of our sin here on earth.. God may or may not remove that. But we know what he will not remove is his love for us.
 
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