How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

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Eternally Grateful

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Flee it . And march onwards in the LORD .
Learn to love.. Come to your Abba father, not in fear. but in love, knowing he has already forgiven you. While he may chasten you. he will never leave nor forsake. Confess also to your discipler or disciples.. So you can not only be open. but you can be accountable

This is what I have witnessed first hand that works..

Me trying to flee. or see the fear of God has never caused me to stop sin. or overcome it.

Me seeing Gods love, and fleeing to god not away from him, That has great power
 
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Well ask him this . If a muslim heard of Christ and then denied HIM as the Son of GOD as the messiah
and yet if they did some good works , IS the truth in them , the Spirit in them just cause they might do some good things .
THEN look at what JESUS said . IF a man believes not in HIM , ITS BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRUTH IN THEM .
EPI dont believe that at all . EPI has the concept of the gospel as what the SOCIAL GOSPEL says it is
NOT WHAT CHRIST says it is . And that has been his problem all along .
Isaiah 64
Good works from a sinner are as filthy rags.

Romans 3
There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”

There is sometimes a social expectation that varies by culture, and people conform in order to avoid looking bad before man. What good is that? It is entirely of the flesh.[/b]
 

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Applies to you!
I’m not the self proclaimed “ prophet “ teaching others about “ spirituality “ from my own experience leaving the Bible out. It’s called testing the spirits to see their origin. Does it come from God and His word or from the god of this world ?

hope this helps !!!
 
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Oy! Are you a disciple of amigo de christo? He condemns the church -- the body of Christ -- in a similar fashion. Who are you to rail against the body of Christ? The church are His people, the sheep of His pasture.
I am talking about the false church actually. Or the true church that struggles with thisThey claim to be the church, but looks nothing like the church
You condemn people for judging, yet you are doing exactly the same thing! Read you chosen Scripture and pay attention to how it applies TO YOU!!! "Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things ... And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? ... But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath".

As I have suggested several times to amigo de christo, you should read and heed the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14, "Jesus also told this parable to some who were confident that they were righteous and looked down on everyone else. “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee] and the other a tax collector The Pharisee stood and prayed about himself like this: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: extortionists, unrighteous people, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of everything I get.’ The tax collector, however, stood far off and would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, be merciful to me, sinner that I am!’ I tell you that this man went down to his home justified rather than the Pharisee. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
this is not about me or Amigo, This is about what is going on in the church, at least those who profess to be the church

And I am not judging people. I am judging an organization that claims to be Christs..
 

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Who says they do not already have the fear of God in them.

They already came to faith knowing they’re just condemnation. That should be fear enough.

What do you do about your besetting sin?
amigo de christo is constantly posting confusing and irrelevant nonsense. He constantly judges Christians, as does satan. Apparently Mark 3:25 is not in his Bible: "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand."
 

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amigo de christo is constantly posting confusing and irrelevant nonsense. He constantly judges Christians, as does satan. Apparently Mark 3:25 is not in his Bible: "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand."
A house that has fallen off its foundation should be condemned.
 

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I am talking about the false church actually. Or the true church that struggles with thisThey claim to be the church, but looks nothing like the church

this is not about me or Amigo, This is about what is going on in the church, at least those who profess to be the church

And I am not judging people. I am judging an organization that claims to be Christs..
Claiming that you are not judging people is simply not true. The church is the body of Christ. When you and amigo de christo criticize the church, you are criticizing the body of Christ.

How do you define the "false church"? A congregation that doesn't meet your standards? Which "organization" are you specifically referring to?
 

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amigo de christo is constantly posting confusing and irrelevant nonsense. He constantly judges Christians, as does satan. Apparently Mark 3:25 is not in his Bible: "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand."
Not sure what that has to do with me..
 

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Claiming that you are not judging people is simply not true. The church is the body of Christ. When you and amigo de christo criticize the church, you are criticizing the body of Christ.

How do you define the "false church"? A congregation that doesn't meet your standards? Which "organization" are you specifically referring to?
so when a church is judging a person instead of coming alongside them to help them with sin is that not wrong?

And am I in error when I call out the truth of what is happening?

Is y9our church like this? Is this why you are being defensive?
 

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Hello to all. I think it important to understand the context of everything we read about in the bible. It's too easy to misunderstand and jump to false conclusions based on an unbalanced and unlearned assumption, unless we look as deeply as possible into how it fits into the ways of God.

On this thread, I would like to look at how we are to reckon ourselves to be dead to sin....using the OT, and NT...and hopefully with some testimonials.

Any post that is not applicable to the subject matter I will respond with a "Stay on Topic" comment.

Now in Romans 6:11 we read...

" Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Is this a kind of magic formula that one must accept as being life-giving in itself? As in...fake it till you make it?

I think the last thing that God wants is for people to accept the bible anecdotally....religiously.... There is no need or desire for that.

We need to go to the OT to see where the pattern of God's ways based on reckoning can be consulted for greater clarity in the present circumstance. With the next verse we see a call to spiritual militancy.

Joel 3:10 "Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

James continues with this theme...

James 1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.


V. 10 is very telling and apropos for we who live in the rich Western countries. Especially seeing that sound doctrine is seen by many as being so hostile (to the flesh).


We see with this, the "make the way straight in the desert for our God" from Is. 40.....filling in the valleys and making the mountains low. I would say that the major problem we have is the exaltation of the flesh rather than the rejoicing at being made low. It is the council of James in reverse for many of us.

So we, in our estimation, need to see our default setting as considering sin, and the lifestyle associated with it, as being dead to us. Does that mean we can claim to be without sin by a mere reckoning? We can only reckon with our mind. Our reckoning helps to line up our way of thinking with the direction we are hoping to go in. Only God can rescue us from the power of the flesh.


We can indeed ALWAYS triumph over the flesh..but that takes the power of the cross and walking in the Spirit. Reckoning ourselves to be dead to sin is akin to carrying our own cross...not being crucified on the cross of Christ. That is at a whole other level and at a depth that very few will be able to comprehend let alone experience.
Same as you reckon yourself saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit. Also the same way you reckon God will answer your prayers.
 

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The house that has been built on humanism instead of Christ. This includes much of the false religions of today, and the progressive denominations.
That is simply your opinion. You are obliquely judging part of the Body of Christ: the progressive denominations. Who has set you yup to be the judge of others in Christ? We (all Christians) are the sheep of His pasture. Do you think that Jesus is an incompetent shepherd who needs your help???
 

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That is simply your opinion. You are obliquely judging part of the Body of Christ: the progressive denominations. Who has set you yup to be the judge of others in Christ? We (all Christians) are the sheep of His pasture. Do you think that Jesus is an incompetent shepherd who needs your help???
We have the Bible which is the source of truth which we can discern truth from error, sound doctrine from false doctrine , the True Christ from the false christs, the true gospel from the false gospel etc …
 

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so when a church is judging a person instead of coming alongside them to help them with sin is that not wrong?

And am I in error when I call out the truth of what is happening?

Is y9our church like this? Is this why you are being defensive?
a) You are not coming along side them to help them. You are judging them by supposedly "calling out the truth".
b) My church doesn't attack people! You and amigo de christo are the attackers! We are told to love our neighbor as ourself. Some day you may learn that principle. Only then can you consider yourself one with Christ.
 

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We have the Bible which is the source of truth which we can discern truth from error, sound doctrine from false doctrine , the True Christ from the false christs, the true gospel from the false gospel etc …
Why didn't you answer the question: do you think that Jesus is an incompetent shepherd who needs your help???
 

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a) You are not coming along side them to help them. You are judging them by "calling out the truth".
b) My church doesn't attack people! You and amigo de christo are the attackers! We are told to love our neighbor as ourself. Some day you may learn that principle. Only then can you consider yourself one with Christ.
you my friend are a false accuser

I called out an issue that many churches are having. I am not judging anyone to hell, or judging a particular church or denomination

I am calling out a problem I have witnessed first hand in many churches, and a problem I see in these chat roomns on an almost daily basis.

If you do not like people calling out sin when they see it. Then maybe there is more of a problem here you need to look at.
 
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That is simply your opinion. You are obliquely judging part of the Body of Christ: the progressive denominations. Who has set you yup to be the judge of others in Christ? We (all Christians) are the sheep of His pasture. Do you think that Jesus is an incompetent shepherd who needs your help???
using your own words. are you not judging him? Like you have judged me?
 

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We have the Bible which is the source of truth which we can discern truth from error, sound doctrine from false doctrine , the True Christ from the false christs, the true gospel from the false gospel etc …
That's the religious reasoning that created thousands of denominations. All you have to do is make one verse more weighty than another....cherry-picking certain verses that seem to support a religious bent. The bible is written in a way that this can happen in thousands of ways.

The bible was written BY the Holy Spirit and can only be understood at its proper depth BY the Holy Spirit. If you think the words themselves that are filtered through a temporal human mind are sufficient to understand eternal truths...then you become part of the problem.

Why does God only give grace to the humble?
 
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