How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[ChristisGod]

Have you read the NT yet? Paul speaks of the high calling and winning Christ.

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

You will not respond to this...but what is the verse speaking of? ( I ask rhetorically because I would be shocked at ANY honesty beyond a dogmatic rebuttal that is spoken in ignorance).

Hope this helps

Much love

so much for the mistranslated word "high,higher" so down goes your entire false premise of such a calling that doesn't exist. Your entire foundation is built upon sand since that has nothing to do with the passage.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

But spiritual things sound like foolishness to the carnal mind

It’s psychological warfare indeed…

You’re a master.

 

[amigo de christo]

and you to your religion its your specialty. :)

Rather odd indeed my friend . for they often attack the fundemantal view of JESUS CHRIST ONLY
and yet they FUNDAMNETALLY teach as though its aboslute truth , THIS MANY PATH TO GOD lie .
But as for the lambs we cannot help but speak the truth of GOD . men will always do as men do .
But lambs GONNA DO what JESUS SAYS TO DO . Lift those hands up again . To the LORD be the glory
and to the LORD be all the praise and honor .

 

[Episkopos]

The kingdom of God is outside of time and space...it comes not with observation (as Jesus said)...but it is available to enter into right now.

Jesus said to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.

Some of you may recall that verse from a previous thread.

Is the kingdom realm only accessible to us after we die? Are we to seek to die to enter into the kingdom? Well, die to the flesh. Yes.

Are we to seek the righteousness of God only after we die? Well, so many falsely claim to have God's righteousness right now...they just left out the realm it is found in.

 

[ChristisGod]

Phil 3:14 and the calling.

Pulpit Commentary
Verse 14. - I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus; rather, with the best manuscripts, unto the prize. The first preposition, "towards," expresses the aim; the second, "unto," the end of the race. The high calling; the upward, heavenward calling. God is calling us all upward, heavenward, by the voice of the Lord Jesus, who is the Word of God. Comp. Hebrews 2:1, "Partakers of the heavenly calling." The words, "in Christ Jesus," are to be taken with "the high calling." It is God who calls: he calls us in the person of Christ, by the voice of Christ, "Come unto me." "It was his will that thou shouldst run the race below; he gives the crown above. Seest thou not that even here they crown the most honored of the athletes, not on the racecourse below, but the king calls them up, and crowns them there" (Chrysostom). Philippians 3:14

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
14. the mark] R.V., “the goal.” But the Greek word is, like “mark,” a general rather than a special one, and used in the classics rather of archery than of racing. The verse might be roughly but closely rendered, “mark-wards I haste, towards the prize &c.”; I run with a definite aim, and that aim is to win the prize. Cp. 1 Corinthians 9:26; “I so run, not as uncertainly.”

the prize] The same word occurs 1 Corinthians 9:24, and not elsewhere in N.T. It is very rare in secular Greek, but is connected with the common word for the arbiter or umpire who awarded the athletic prize. In Christian Latin (e.g. in the Latin versions here) it appears transliterated, as bravium (or brabium). The “prize” is “the crown,” glory everlasting as the blessed result and triumph of the work of grace, of the life of faith. Cp. Revelation 2:10; and esp. 2 Timothy 4:7-8.

 

[amigo de christo]

so much for the mistranslated word "high,higher" so down goes your entire false premise of such a calling that doesn't exist. Your entire foundation is built upon sand since that has nothing to do with the passage.

Exactly my friend . Point to JESUS CHRIST to the last breath .
What joy it gives my soul to do so . LET GOD get the glory , HIS CHRIST ALONE is SALVATION .
Sing to the KING . Let all who name the name of Christ , POINT TO CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

so much for the mistranslated word "high,higher" so down goes your entire false premise of such a calling that doesn't exist. Your entire foundation is built upon sand since that has nothing to do with the passage.

My question is how on earth is one gonna so called WIN CHRIST when they DENY his own words .
How can one win Christ when they DENY HIM as the ONLY WAY TO GOD .
We cant sit at the table of other religoins and of GOD .
We cannot offer up a salvation which denies CHRIST as the only means to be saved .
WHEN JESUS himself said it .
My soul never grows weary of pointing to HE ALONE . MY JOY only increases when i do so .
Now lift those hands up . ITS LORD Praising time again .

 

[ScottA]

What we see in Romans 6 through 8 is a progression...from an initial experience of grace that changes a person forever to a surrendered walk in the full measure of grace over sin, the devil and the world. That initial sample will seem, at first, to be the whole package....until one realizes that there is still sin in the outer man that is both active and detrimental to spiritual growth in the inner man. The life from Christ contained in the inner man is thus choked out by the outer man (where the ego resides and where the sin nature has its foundation).

In Romans 7 Paul cries out to God...he realizes that there is nothing he can do about his own condition. His outer man continues to filter out the connection to God and the deeper connection to other brothers IN Christ. Who shall rescue him? It is Christ the Lord who comes to him. The power of God crucifies his outer man thus liberating his inner man to walk in victory over sin. Paul can THEN say I am crucified with Christ...and not have to reckon it only.

Romans 8 explains the power of the law of Christ to nullify the power of sin the way the law of flight overcomes the law of gravity. So then a Spirit empowered life fulfills the law of God so that eternal fruit can be produced to the glory of God. The cost of that full measure of grace is all we have and are. We are to take our "aravon" our down-payment...and fulfill our obligations at the throne of grace to get the measure of God's fulness. The victorious walk IN Christ begins when we are crucified...dead...and made alive IN Christ.

Whether we are walking in our own power or by resurrection power we ought to do all to be at least be accepted by the Lord. So whether we are present or absent we do what is acceptable to Him....and that's where the need to learn righteousness comes in. We are to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin when we are not actually crucified dead to sin.

That is the quick short version. :)

You have inspired me to start a new thread regarding the "process" vs. the "quick" of salvation and sanctification: LONGING... (The long and short of it).

 

[Episkopos]

so much for the mistranslated word "high,higher" so down goes your entire false premise of such a calling that doesn't exist. Your entire foundation is built upon sand since that has nothing to do with the passage.

You're just a sore loser...telling fish stories. You are wrong on so many fronts that you are basically unteachable. And as for that verse that you were ignorant of. If the King James was good enough for Paul.....

 

[ChristisGod]

The kingdom of God is outside of time and space...it comes not with observation (as Jesus said)...but it is available to enter into right now.

Jesus said to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.

Some of you may recall that verse from a previous thread.

Is the kingdom realm only accessible to us after we die? Are we to seek to die to enter into the kingdom? Well, die to the flesh. Yes.

Are we to seek the righteousness of God only after we die? Well, so many falsely claim to have God's righteousness right now...they just left out the realm it is found in.

wrong again the Kingdom of God is the following. the new birth enters us into His Kingdom. And the kingdom of God and heaven are the exact same as they are synonyms.

John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.

Matthew 19:23-26
23 And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.24 Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”25 When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, “Then who can be saved?”26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

 

[ChristisGod]

You're just a sore loser...telling fish stories. You are wrong on so many fronts that you are basically unteachable. And as for that verse that you were ignorant of. If the King James was good enough for Paul.....

ad hominem duly noted as its a sure sign of defeat. the scriptures and the definitions from the Greek Lexicons prove your higher calling to be false. there is no lower or higher calling.

 

[amigo de christo]

What is this supposed to mean? The body of Christ is... the body of Christ! It is all believers who have been born again into everlasting life. As I have said previously, you set yourself up as the judge of Christ's body. In other words you are judging HIM when you judge His body.

You can rationalize all you want an delude yourself into believing that you are some latter-day John the Baptizer but you are not. You, more than anyone else on this site, judge and condemn other Christians. Be forewarned!! You are judging Christ!!!

His body wouldnt point to any one other than CHRIST . yet many who claim to be of HIS BODY
have been doing just that . Following men who preach a lie and loving the lie .
ANYONE who is born again , DONT DENY HE who made them born again .
ITS NOT like a muslim is born again just cause he might love his nieghbor
YET this so called new world religion teaches that . DENYING THE DIRE NEED OF CHRIST JESUS to be saved , of having to BELIEVE IN HE
whom GOD did send . WONDER what john would have called one who did that .
OH YEAH , HE would have said they MAKE GOD A LIAR cause they DONT BELIEVE the very testimony HE gave of HIS SON .
ANYONE born again would have the SPIRIT . and the SPIRIT dont testify of other paths or religoins
IT TESTIFIES OF CHRIST JESUS . IT would remind them OF HIS teachings . THIS is what i mean .
YET for the sake of false unity leaders are allowed to fleece flocks into a lie
and more and more now believe said lie . Cause to dare call a man out for heresays is called JUDGING THE BODY .
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again specting a different result .
And talk about judging . i have never once accused you of thinking yourself to be some end time john the baptizer
IF anyone is guilty of wrong judgment , look ye in the mirror .
Just cause i expose what is false and if one teaches falsehoods , dont make the anything , nor do i see myself as anything .
IT JUST MEANS i actually LOVE THE PEOPLES and desire good for them .

 

[Episkopos]

My question is how on earth is one gonna so called WIN CHRIST when they DENY his own words .

Just name it and claim it brother. Keep pointing to the cross.

How can one win Christ when they DENY HIM as the ONLY WAY TO GOD .

Only one way Jesus amen God is good

We cant sit at the table of other religoins and of GOD .

We can do all things in Him lift up those hands over there

We cannot offer up a salvation which denies CHRIST as the only means to be saved .

Get saved or get lost is what I say I preach it in season even in the cold The only means..., the only means

WHEN JESUS himself said it .

He done said it he done it he said it is finished so we's finished ya'll

My soul never grows weary of pointing

We be pointin or disappointin preach always keep that finger pointing to Jesus sharp. use a pencil sharpener if you hafta.

to HE ALONE . MY JOY only increases when i do so .

Glee is the result...mighty fine joy and praise all the time even on Sunday.

Now lift those hands up . ITS LORD Praising time again .

Don't be puttin them hands down just yet. There's some social issues to condemn ya'll condemn those socialists.

 

[amigo de christo]

wrong again the Kingdom of God is the following. the new birth enters us into His Kingdom. And the kingdom of God and heaven are the exact same as they are synonyms.

John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.

Matthew 19:23-26
23 And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.24 Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”25 When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, “Then who can be saved?”26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Yet many believe a buddist is born again or a muslim or anyone who seem to follow the concepts of the social gospel .
But i say YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . BORN of the SPIRIT .
Marvel not that many are not his sheep . The flesh profits nothing . MY WORDS they are SPIRIT and they are life .
HOW TRUE THIS . SO if JESUS words are SPIRIT and they are life . HOW can anyone born OF THE SPIRIT
so willfully omit them and teach other things in place of them which contradict them .
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE . Keep pointing to CHRIST my friend . HIS WORDS are SPIRIT and they are LIFE .
And anyone who is HIS will hear HIS voice and be hearers and doers of said words . FOR THEY have the SPIRIT ,they have
been born again . a concept the world wise cannot understand for it must be SPIRITUALLY discerned .
BORN AGAIN . Let the LORD be praised and let us continually thank GOD for HIS GRACE given us in , JESUS CHRIST .

 

[Episkopos]

ad hominem duly noted as its a sure sign of defeat. the scriptures and the definitions from the Greek Lexicons prove your higher calling to be false. there is no lower or higher calling.

It's gonna take a lot more than that to deny Christ and the heavenly walk. But you can ♪ try if you want to ♪ ....♪ tryyy if you want to.♪

 

[Episkopos]

Yet many believe a buddist is born again or a muslim or anyone who seem to follow the concepts of the social gospel .
But i say YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . BORN of the SPIRIT .
Marvel not that many are not his sheep . The flesh profits nothing . MY WORDS they are SPIRIT and they are life .
HOW TRUE THIS . SO if JESUS words are SPIRIT and they are life . HOW can anyone born OF THE SPIRIT
so willfully omit them and teach other things in place of them which contradict them .
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE . Keep pointing to CHRIST my friend . HIS WORDS are SPIRIT and they are LIFE .
And anyone who is HIS will hear HIS voice and be hearers and doers of said words . FOR THEY have the SPIRIT ,they have
been born again . a concept the world wise cannot understand for it must be SPIRITUALLY discerned .
BORN AGAIN . Let the LORD be praised and let us continually thank GOD for HIS GRACE given us in , JESUS CHRIST .

You are preaching to yourself...and to puff up your religious ego. Please stop. it's silly and disrespectful. Don't use the Lord's name in vain.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just name it and claim it brother. Keep pointing to the cross.


Only one way Jesus amen God is good


We can do all things in Him lift up those hands over there


Get saved or get lost is what I say I preach it in season even in the cold The only means..., the only means


He done said it he done it he said it is finished so we's finished ya'll


We be pointin or disappointin preach always keep that finger pointing to Jesus sharp. use a pencil sharpener if you hafta.


Glee is the result...mighty fine joy and praise all the time even on Sunday.

Don't be puttin them hands down just yet. There's some social issues to condemn ya'll condemn those socialists.

Epi , you must seem to forget or at least think i forget the things you have already written .
Concering other religoins . I know all about INCLUSIVITY . i read about it .
ITS A LIE . I know what it tries to say but it lies . the gospel says BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST
inclusivity says NO NEED TOO . other religons know HIM and are saved if they just do good works .
BUT it aint what GOD nor CHRIST taught . I have a decent memory my friend
dont let my fast typing and etc fool ya into thinking otherwise .
I remember many things i have seen you type which flat out oppose the true gosple .
You often are found contradicting yourself at times . And i aint the only one seeing this either .
But then its hard to have a foundation on EMOTIONS . They always seem to flow and go with feelings .
but a foundation on truth never changes . It remains constant . I watched what you tried to do
but Michia Ilma caught you at it . HE CORRECTED YOU . but you DUCKED That one real fast .
OL MICHIA brought scripture to defeat how you tried to twist it . And you tucked tail and ran .
I wish good for you , but you need to simply learn CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are preaching to yourself...and to puff up your religious ego. Please stop. it's silly and disrespectful. Don't use the Lord's name in vain.

about seventy percent of christendom now believe it . so no i aint preachingto myself . i am simply warning .
As far as using the Lords name in vain , i aint the one using His name and yet DENYING HIS GOSPEL .
Stealing his words to try and promote an idea that is false . THAT is using the name of the LORD in vain .
So i leave us with HIS own words . what he long ago told the unbelievers .
YE shall die in your SINS , for if ye believe NOT that I AM HE , you shall die in your sins .
And as far as the comforter .
HERE is JESUS own words , HE shall reprove the world of sin
OF SIN because what EPI , because they dont do good works or BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME .
ITS the latter . Because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME .
THE HOLY SPIRIT draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST leads us unto the FATHER .
THE HOLY SPIRIT dont lead us to buddism and good works
or atheism and good works , or hinuism and good works , or any other religon and good works .
LEADS US TO FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS and from that THEN WE WOULD HAVE Good works . learn ye that .

 

[ChristisGod]

It's gonna take a lot more than that to deny Christ and the heavenly walk. But you can ♪ try if you want to ♪ ....♪ tryyy if you want to.♪

I'm not denying Christ - you are equivocating. I'm denying your unbiblical teaching of a higher calling implying there is a lower calling. That is found nowhere in the Bible and only in your KJV onlyism.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not denying Christ - you are equivocating. I'm denying your unbiblical teaching of a higher calling implying there is a lower calling. That is found nowhere in the Bible and only in your KJV onlyism.

There is no LOWER calling . your right about that . and the KJV never speaks of it either .
Epi making it all up . believe me i read the KJV and its not in there . the only bible its in
is the minds of men gone wrong . THERE IS but one calling FROM GOD .
BELIEVE YE IN HE WHO GOD DID SEND . Hit the trenches and let all praise the glorious LORD .