What is the one true Church?

[amigo de christo]

Never heed the harlot .

 

[Taken]

See how they spiritualize everything to fit their dogma..

Jesus said what jesus said..

Some people are so busy taking credit for all things Christian and pretense they are endowed with a predisposition of knowing all things....

I am somewhat convinced they have a prolonged shoulder issue from all the back-patting and have secretly assumed the name google.

 

[Marymog]

You asked ... what happens to those infants....or immature children....
I answered....they grow, they hear, they learn.

Why, what do you think happens to infants and immature children?
Why, are you wondering if they go to hell? WEIRD.

I think you know what I am saying since people don't go to hell or heaven until they die.....but I will play your game. Here is the question rephrased to better convey what I am asking and make it harder for you to dodge:

Since Scripture makes it clear (to you) that one cannot be saved without accepting and confessing Jesus as their Lord and Savior then what happens to infants when they die? Do infants go to hell when they die since they didn't accept Jesus?

Are mentally handicapped adults mature enough to confess Jesus as their Lord and Savior so they can be saved?


I look forward to your theological response.....Mary

 

[Taken]

Lol.....Well, since the "group of Jewish men Jesus Appointed" are not alive that means you are not able to talk to them to get clarification on what they wrote. That means that either YOU are interpreting their words OR you are listening to other men on how THEY interpret their words.

So when you say that you don't have a clue what men you are listening to OR reading the writings of to come up with your theology is simply..........Fascinating.....

Gaslighter!

YOUR limits APPLY to YOU.

Did you NOT learn in your Catholic teaching, the Lord God interprets Scripture?
Did you NOT learn in your Catholic teaching, WHO and HOW the Lord God gives individuals HIS interpretation, HIS understanding of Scripture?

Jesus’ Chosen Disciples words are preserved, (or do you not know what published means?)

You are fascinated with your own claims you attempted to apply to me....
Laughable you are fascinated with your own gaslighting.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Pitiful example of a Catholic masquerading as a Christian.

He feels like he has to defend God and his church

I did not know God needed defended..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Some people are so busy taking credit for all things Christian and pretense they are endowed with a predisposition of knowing all things....

I am somewhat convinced they have a prolonged shoulder issue from all the back-patting and have secretly assumed the name google.

I am still amazed that they use basically the same excuses the jews did in Jesus day. And they can not see it.. They do not learn from others mistakes

 

[Pearl]

Pitiful example of a Catholic masquerading as a Christian.

It is sad but they all do it.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Everything you said here is just incendiary nonsense aimed at pushing buttons. I can't believe that anybody who claims to have read the Bible is that stupid.

WHO said anything about Peter being the "Greater" Rock?? The "Catholic Church" certainly NEVER did. However - it might interest you to know that Jesus Christ is NOT the only one in Scripture to be referred to as the "Rock".
- Abraham is called the "Rock" in Isaiah 50:1-2.
- Peter is called "Rock" (Kepha) in Matt. 16:18. That's why Paul calls him "Cephas" (not Peter) in his letters.

As for who the "Head" of the Body (the Church) is - it is Jesus Christ (Col. 1:18).
The Pope is the earthly head - or Vicar. Just as God had an earthly ambassador in Moses - He also has one in the Pope.

Catholics are always telling me that Peter is the rock the church is built on. I hear Catholic say it all the time. They're wrong Jesus is the greater rock that the church is built upon. This rock who is Jesus isn't a man. He is a immortal incorruptible life giving spirit who is the head and foundation of the church. No man is the head and foundation of the true church.
It doesn't matter who else in scripture is called rock. The only begotten Son of God is the greater rock, and it's he who is the head and foundation of the true church not a man. It is Jesus Christ who is the head and foundation of the true church he's an immortal incorruptible life giving spirit.

An ambassador basically is an official representative sent out by a ruler on a special occasion for a specific purpose.
So Jesus Christ came as YHWH God’s “apostle,” or “sent one.” So for a temporary time Jesus was an ambassador.

After Jesus Christ had been resurrected to the heavens, being no longer on earth in person, his faithful followers were appointed to act in his place, “substituting for Christ” as ambassadors of God. Paul specifically mentions his office of ambassadorship. (2Corinthians 5:18-20) He, like all the anointed followers of Jesus Christ, was sent to nations and people who were alienated from YHWH God the Supreme Sovereign—ambassadors to a world not at peace with God. (John 14:30; 15:18, 19; James 4:4) As an ambassador, Paul bore a message of reconciliation to God through Christ and therefore spoke of himself while in prison as “an ambassador in chains.” (Ephesians 6:20) His being in chains is a demonstration of the hostile attitude of this world toward God, his only begotten Son Jesus Christ, and the Messianic Kingdom government, for ambassadors have since time immemorial been considered inviolate. It revealed the greatest hostility and was the grossest of insults on the part of the nations when they disrespected the ambassadors sent to represent the Kingdom of God under Christ. So Peter wasn't the only ambassador, all the apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ are ambassadors, and the apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ have no human individual head ambassador over all the other apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ who are ambassadors.

 

[Marymog]

Gaslighter!

YOUR limits APPLY to YOU.

Did you NOT learn in your Catholic teaching, the Lord God interprets Scripture?
Did you NOT learn in your Catholic teaching, WHO and HOW the Lord God gives individuals HIS interpretation, HIS understanding of Scripture?

Jesus’ Chosen Disciples words are preserved, (or do you not know what published means?)

You are fascinated with your own claims you attempted to apply to me....
Laughable you are fascinated with your own gaslighting.

You crack me up Taken......I knew you wouldn't answer. That is how you operate.....I figured you out a loooong time ago.

Your men are lying to you Taken....Run from them

 

[Taken]

I think you know what I am saying since people don't go to hell or heaven until they die.....but I will play your game. Here is the question rephrased to better convey what I am asking and make it harder for you to dodge:

Since Scripture makes it clear (to you) that one cannot be saved without accepting and confessing Jesus as their Lord and Savior then what happens to infants when they die? Do infants go to hell when they die since they didn't accept Jesus?

Are mentally handicapped adults mature enough to confess Jesus as their Lord and Savior so they can be saved?


I look forward to your theological response.....Mary

How dumb was your question....first time around....??
You completely DID NOT MENTION THEY DYING....

Did your Catholic teaching not teach you, Salvation FOLLOWS a death?
(Including confession AND crucified with Jesus)....IS SAVED.
Salvation is GIFTED to every individual who believes in their Heart, on the day they die IN BELIEF. SHALL BE SAVED.
The Knowledge in every individuals heart, is known by God.
Did your Catholic teaching not teach you, God is ALL-KNOWING?

 

[Taken]

You crack me up Taken......I knew you wouldn't answer. That is how you operate.....I figured you out a loooong time ago.

You were answered. However I can not understand it for you.
Test all things. Ya think God does not test every individuals HEARTS THOUGHTS to SEE IF THEY BELIEVE IN HIM....or NOT?

Your men are lying to you Taken....Run from them

Clearly told you I TRUST Jesus’ Chosen Teachers....(Apostles)

Thanks for sharing YOU DO NOT TRUST the Apostles teachings.
Guess you learned that in Catholic school.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You were answered. However I can not understand it for you.
Test all things. Ya think God does not test every individuals HEARTS THOUGHTS to SEE IF THEY BELIEVE IN HIM....or NOT?



Clearly told you I TRUST Jesus’ Chosen Teachers....(Apostles)

Thanks for sharing YOU DO NOT TRUST the Apostles teachings.
Guess you learned that in Catholic school.

remember, Her whole theology is based on the words of men.. she is told to blindly follow them..

 

[Taken]

remember, Her whole theology is based on the words of men.. she is told to blindly follow them..

Right. Why bother with that Sola Scripture thingy...!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right. Why bother with that Sola Scripture thingy...!!

yeah, You might actually have to swallow your pride and admit you believed some things that were not true

 

[Ziggy]

That is a heretical, Modalistic view.

The Father is GOD.
The Son is GOD.
The Holy Spirit is GOD.

ONE God, manifested in THREE distinct Persons.

I suppose God can manifest himself in which ever manner HE chooses.
You are just not willing to look at all the possibilities.
You want to put God in a box.
Pharisee.

 

[Ziggy]

No - WE don't call Jesus a liar - YOU do.
You employ a purely carnal understanding to a Spiritual truth.

This is what is known as Projection.

 

[Ziggy]

Mar 10:13
And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
Mar 10:14
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:15
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Mar 10:16
And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.

No Repentance Required.
Babies, little children are unable to discern between good and evil. It takes a mature mind to reason and discern.
Children are covered by God's Grace.

But some like to turn it into a business. $$$$$$

 

[Pearl]

remember, Her whole theology is based on the words of men.. she is told to blindly follow them..

Yes, very sad. But even people who have been led astray or taught a different gospel must be responsible before God for their own decisions. Specially after so many of us on sites like this have tried to point them towards Jesus - the real Jesus. They can no longer tell God that they haven't heard the truth. It makes my heart ache to think of all the times the real truth has been torn to shreds by their own interpretation of it.

 

[Webers_Home]

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● 1Pet 3:15 . . Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks
you for a reason for your hope.

Peter's hope was likely the same as Paul's, which is not so much an
exemption from the sum of all fears, rather; resurrection to a better life.

"Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; with respect to the hope and
the resurrection of the dead I am on trial." (Acts 23:6)

The Greek word translated "hope" in 1Pet 3:15 and Acts 23:6 means to
anticipate (usually with pleasure) and to expect with confidence. Note the
elements of anticipation, expectation, and confidence.

In other words: Peter's hope isn't wishful thinking, rather, it's a know-so
hope rather than a cross your fingers hope. So, unless someone knows for
proof positive, beyond even the slightest glimmer of sensible doubt, that
their ticket to a better life is secured and in the bag, then of course it is
impossible for them to comply with Peter's instructions seeing as they would
not have the kind of hope about which he wrote.

● Rom 12:12 . . Rejoice in hope.

When people are praying for the best, while in the back of their mind
dreading the worst, they have absolutely no cause for rejoicing; no; but they
do have plenty of cause to fear the unknown.

I have yet to encounter an honest Catholic who sincerely looks forward to a
better life with confidence. They all-- including myself when I was one -
would like to be chosen for a better life but do not, with any degree of
certainty, feel guaranteed to get it. Every honest Catholic knows only too
well that there is always a chance of their ending up in the wrong place.

● Eph 4:4 . .You were also called to the one hope

When people are in doubt about their afterlife circumstances; it's an
indication that they have not yet responded to the call to the one hope;
quite possibly because they're either unaware of it, don't believe such a
thing is available, have enough religion already, or worse: indifferent.

● 1Pet 1:3 . . Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his
great mercy we have been born anew to a living hope

Peter's "living hope" is the same Greek word as before; which speaks of
confident expectation. When people lack the living hope it can only be
because they have not yet been born anew seeing as that's how living hope
(a.k.a. the one hope) is obtained.
_

 

[BreadOfLife]

I suppose God can manifest himself in which ever manner HE chooses.
You are just not willing to look at all the possibilities.
You want to put God in a box.
Pharisee.

No – I look at ALL the possibilities as revealed in Scripture.
Unlike YOU - I’m not so arrogant as to make up doctrines on my own . . .