What is the one true Church?

[amigo de christo]

Heed not the harlot nor the daughter of the harlot . For her ways are indeed the ways unto death and not life .
Just a friendly reminder to all . Okay back to the subject at hand . Oh wait this might be the very subject needed to be said .

 

[amigo de christo]

Real students of history don't deny truckloads of primary source documentation the way you do.

The first 37+ popes were killed by pagan Romans, including Pope St. Victor I, more facts you are bound to deny.

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There were leaders in the protestant realm who too taught deception , as did the Harlot herself .
Their real crime was simply they didnt conform enough to said leader . SO lets not think
just cause some popes were killed they were just holy and right . No , if folks didnt do certain things
the way certain leaders wanted , they had them killed . that is all this proves .
Lest you want to say all the protestants queen mary had put to death were all RIGHT . no , maybe a few of them were
as for the vatican and rome , its been teaching dangerous things for as far back as i can research .

 

[amigo de christo]

Its like that one pope who was poisoned cause he wasnt in line with his own mafia within his own vatican .
He sure taught wrong things , BUT he wasnt about to do that evil . thus they poisoned him .
Dont mean he was holy righteous and true though .

 

[Ziggy]

Something about the name "Universal"
Universal.. Universe.. Above the stars... encompassing all, controlling all.
It sounds egotistitical to me for some reason.
Lucerferion even.
The bringer of Light.
And of course they would want all religions to join them under their roof.
Persausion comes in many forms and can be exceedingly decietful.
They have the appearance of righteousness but the inner most parts are filthy.
I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the system that controls it.
It's swamp is greater than that of Washingtom DC ... because it's "Universal"

And like most people who love their country and their democracy, they are very unwilling to accept the fact that we are being controlled by very decietful people who are only in it for self gain or ego.
Many are willing to overlook the crimes and "sins" because they put their faith in the system.
They know what is happening at some level of consciousness, but their "LOYALTY" is to a certain "Party"
Party as in an exclusive group, a cult even.
They put their TRUST in the people they choose to lead them.
And no one ever wants to admit that anything they wholeheartedly believe in could be wrong.

It's not important what a church calls itself.
It's about You and Jesus and if you are both sharing the same space.
Anyone can go to any church, but if you're there and anything other than Jesus is there, you need to find another place to go.
When material things become a burden, whether they be traditions or requirements that occupy your attention, and prevent you from focusing on Jesus himself., Then those material things become your worship, the works of your own hands.

It's not about a building or cathedral. It's not about the cups and plates. It's not about tithes and offerings.
All these things that glitter are not gold.
Just fool's gold.

Just my thoughts
Hugs

 

[amigo de christo]

Something about the name "Universal"
Universal.. Universe.. Above the stars... encompassing all, controlling all.
It sounds egotistitical to me for some reason.
Lucerferion even.
You do know the Catholic church woships Lucifer right?
The bringer of Light.
And of course they would want all religions to join them under their roof.
Persausion comes in many forms and can be exceedingly decietful.
They have the appearance of righteousness but the inner most parts are filthy.
I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the system that controls it.
It's swamp is greater than that of Washingtom DC ... because it's "Universal"

And like most people who love their country and their democracy, they are very unwilling to accept the fact that we are being controlled by very decietful people who are only in it for self gain or ego.
Many are willing to overlook the crimes and "sins" because they put their faith in the system.
They know what is happening at some level of consciousness, but their "LOYALTY" is to a certain "Party"
Party as in an exclusive group, a cult even.
They put their TRUST in the people they choose to lead them.
And no one ever wants to admit that anything they wholeheartedly believe in could be wrong.

It's not important what a church calls itself.
It's about You and Jesus and if you are both sharing the same space.
Anyone can go to any church, but if you're there and anything other than Jesus is there, you need to find another place to go.
When material things become a burden, whether they be traditions or requirements that occupy your attention, and prevent you from focusing on Jesus himself., Then those material things become your worship, the works of your own hands.

It's not about a building or cathedral. It's not about the cups and plates. It's not about tithes and offerings.
All these things that glitter are not gold.
Just fool's gold.

Just my thoughts
Hugs

Ziggy take a lil peek at this .

 

[Illuminator]

Something about the name "Universal"
Universal.. Universe.. Above the stars... encompassing all, controlling all.
It sounds egotistitical to me for some reason.

CATHOLIC: comes from the Greek word Kata Holos which was later Latinized into Catholicus, Catholic in English..

It means 'Universal', which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting the entire world and ALL peoples therein'. It means, ALL encompassing, comprehensibly broad, general, and containing ALL that is neccessary. In summation, it means ALL people in ALL places, having ALL that is necessary, and for ALL time.

….and you belong to that Church whose faith St. Paul describes as being "proclaimed (KATanggeletai) in the whole universe (en HOLO to kosmo)” (Rom. 1:8)

Thus the word KATAHOLOS or Catholic in English originated from Scriptures - Romans 1:

"So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Sama'ria had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied." [Acts 9:31 RSV

There the words "church throughout all" is translated from the Greek words "Ecclesia kata holis" But it was after Ignatius that the term Catholic Church became used more and more to designate the true church.

You do know the Catholic church woships Lucifer right?

Jesus was accused of the same thing. How can satan cast out satan? You have no answer.

Unfailingly, whenever there is a TV show or movie that touches on subjects like Transubstantiation—the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus—the Virgin birth, apparitions, the stigmata, even confession, it is the subject of ridicule and insulting commentary. But when it comes to the phenomenon of exorcism, it’s hard to find anyone who mocks it.​

​

Catholic League staffers reviewed over 600 movie reviews of “The Rite” that appeared in mainline media outlets. Aside from a few snotty remarks, the subject of exorcism was given a respectful hearing: none was derisive. The cast of “The Rite” was also respectful: none lambasted the idea that demons could be purged by a trained Roman Catholic priest.​

​

This is good news. Evil exists, and everyone save for a fringe minority, admits it. More important, the belief that the devil can be conquered also exists. That the Catholic Church has a mechanism to deal with it is hardly surprising. After all, it was founded by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.​

SOURCE

The bringer of Light.
And of course they would want all religions to join them under their roof.

No, we don't. That is fear mongering, paranoid nonsense.
DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS

Persausion comes in many forms and can be exceedingly decietful.
They have the appearance of righteousness but the inner most parts are filthy.
I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the system that controls it.
It's swamp is greater than that of Washingtom DC ... because it's "Universal"

"Universal", not to be confused with the heresy of "Universalism", is inferred in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples of ALL nations...teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you; And behold, I am with you ALL days, even unto the consummation of the world."
That is a statement of Universality, Kataholos, Catholicus, Catholic. According to you, Jesus was an egotist.

And like most people who love their country and their democracy, they are very unwilling to accept the fact that we are being controlled by very decietful people who are only in it for self gain or ego.

So, you like Karl Marx? That's where this "control" nonsense comes from. Are you a communist?

Many are willing to overlook the crimes and "sins" because they put their faith in the system.

No, we put our faith in Jesus Christ, not any "system".
EVANGELIUM VITAE
To the Bishops Priests and Deacons Men and Women religious lay Faithful and all People of Good Will on the Value and Inviolability
of Human Life

They know what is happening at some level of consciousness, but their "LOYALTY" is to a certain "Party"
Party as in an exclusive group, a cult even.
They put their TRUST in the people they choose to lead them.

We don't choose our leaders, they are appointed by a higher authority unlike Protestant pastors who are hired by the lower authority of a committee.

And no one ever wants to admit that anything they wholeheartedly believe in could be wrong.

Because absolute truth of all that has been divinely revealed can't be wrong. Your system rests entirely on private opinion, the Protestant Principle of Private Judgement, with the consequences of relativism and chaos.

It's not important what a church calls itself.
It's about You and Jesus and if you are both sharing the same space.

We agree.

Anyone can go to any church, but if you're there and anything other than Jesus is there, you need to find another place to go.

In my church, Jesus is PHYSICALLY present in the form of consecrated Bread and Wine. We don't twist and distort John 6 in thousands of different ways. I challenge you to find any point in 2000 years where the doctrine of the Eucharist has changed.
Here's a clue: you won't find it.

When material things become a burden, whether they be traditions or requirements that occupy your attention, and prevent you from focusing on Jesus himself., Then those material things become your worship, the works of your own hands.

Yea, right. Us Catholics are all worldly and selfish. Third world hospitals, orphanages, schools, nursing homes for the elderly and disabled, food and medicine, in a word, the largest charity in the world. It's all for show. If you fall for that you will fall for anything.

It's not about a building or cathedral. It's not about the cups and plates. It's not about tithes and offerings.
All these things that glitter are not gold.
Just fool's gold.

Just my thoughts
Hugs

Hugs after spitting in our faces? Your brain has been damaged by fundie venom. I will discuss any topic with you but not if all you have to say is unjustified hate and lies. Your post has been reported for its sickening accusations.

 

[Ziggy]

Ziggy take a lil peek at this .

This is heavy brother.

I was thinking about China and Italy. Rome that is.
In China people are allowed to attend church only if they have the Portrait of it's leader displayed instead of Jesus.

So if the WEF and China both communist ideologies, combined with the Rligious establishment.
Then church will be allowed, possibly even mandated as President Xi as it's head.
Could this be the image of the beast?

Just thinking..
had to bring my head out of the clouds for this one.
Communism/Totalitarianism is the spirit of anti-christ.

hugs
and thank you for sharing.

 

[Ziggy]

CATHOLIC: comes from the Greek word Katholikos, which was later Latinized into Catholicus.

It means 'Universal', which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting the entire world and ALL peoples therein'. It means, ALL encompassing, comprehensibly broad, general, and containing ALL that is neccessary. In summation, it means ALL people in ALL places, having ALL that is necessary, and for ALL time.

Jesus was accused of the same thing. How can satan cast out satan? You have no answer.

Unfailingly, whenever there is a TV show or movie that touches on subjects like Transubstantiation—the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus—the Virgin birth, apparitions, the stigmata, even confession, it is the subject of ridicule and insulting commentary. But when it comes to the phenomenon of exorcism, it’s hard to find anyone who mocks it.​

​

Catholic League staffers reviewed over 600 movie reviews of “The Rite” that appeared in mainline media outlets. Aside from a few snotty remarks, the subject of exorcism was given a respectful hearing: none was derisive. The cast of “The Rite” was also respectful: none lambasted the idea that demons could be purged by a trained Roman Catholic priest.​

​

This is good news. Evil exists, and everyone save for a fringe minority, admits it. More important, the belief that the devil can be conquered also exists. That the Catholic Church has a mechanism to deal with it is hardly surprising. After all, it was founded by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.​

SOURCE

No, we don't. That is fear mongering, paranoid nonsense.


"Universal", not to be confused with the heresy of "Universalism", is inferred in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples of ALL nations...teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you; And behold, I am with you ALL days, even unto the consummation of the world."
That is a statement of Universality, Katholicos, Catholicus, Catholic.

So, you like Karl Marx? That's where this "control" nonsense comes from. Are you a communist?

No, we put our faith in Jesus Christ, not any "system".

We don't choose our leaders, they are appointed by a higher authority unlike Protestant pastors who are hired by a lower authority of a committee.

Because absolute truth of all that has been divinely revealed can't be wrong. Your system rests entirely on private opinion, the Protestant Principle of Private Judgement, with the consequences of relativism and chaos.

We agree.

In my church, Jesus is PHYSICALLY present in the form of consecrated Bread and Wine. We don't twist and distort John 6 in thousands of different ways. I challenge you to find any point in 2000 years where the doctrine of the Eucharist has changed.
Here's a clue: you won't find it.

Yea, right. Us Catholics are all worldly and selfish. Third world hospitals, orphanages, schools, nursing homes for the elderly and disabled, food and medicine, in a word, the largest charity in the world is all for show. If you fall for that you will fall for anything.

Hugs after spitting in our faces? Your brain has been damaged by fundie venom.

I glad we agreed on something
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

CATHOLIC: comes from the Greek word Katholikos, which was later Latinized into Catholicus.

It means 'Universal', which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting the entire world and ALL peoples therein'. It means, ALL encompassing, comprehensibly broad, general, and containing ALL that is neccessary. In summation, it means ALL people in ALL places, having ALL that is necessary, and for ALL time.

Jesus was accused of the same thing. How can satan cast out satan? You have no answer.

Unfailingly, whenever there is a TV show or movie that touches on subjects like Transubstantiation—the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus—the Virgin birth, apparitions, the stigmata, even confession, it is the subject of ridicule and insulting commentary. But when it comes to the phenomenon of exorcism, it’s hard to find anyone who mocks it.​

​

Catholic League staffers reviewed over 600 movie reviews of “The Rite” that appeared in mainline media outlets. Aside from a few snotty remarks, the subject of exorcism was given a respectful hearing: none was derisive. The cast of “The Rite” was also respectful: none lambasted the idea that demons could be purged by a trained Roman Catholic priest.​

​

This is good news. Evil exists, and everyone save for a fringe minority, admits it. More important, the belief that the devil can be conquered also exists. That the Catholic Church has a mechanism to deal with it is hardly surprising. After all, it was founded by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.​

SOURCE

No, we don't. That is fear mongering, paranoid nonsense.
DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS


"Universal", not to be confused with the heresy of "Universalism", is inferred in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples of ALL nations...teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you; And behold, I am with you ALL days, even unto the consummation of the world."
That is a statement of Universality, Katholicos, Catholicus, Catholic.

So, you like Karl Marx? That's where this "control" nonsense comes from. Are you a communist?

No, we put our faith in Jesus Christ, not any "system".
EVANGELIUM VITAE
To the Bishops Priests and Deacons Men and Women religious lay Faithful and all People of Good Will on the Value and Inviolability
of Human Life

We don't choose our leaders, they are appointed by a higher authority unlike Protestant pastors who are hired by a lower authority of a committee.

Because absolute truth of all that has been divinely revealed can't be wrong. Your system rests entirely on private opinion, the Protestant Principle of Private Judgement, with the consequences of relativism and chaos.

We agree.

In my church, Jesus is PHYSICALLY present in the form of consecrated Bread and Wine. We don't twist and distort John 6 in thousands of different ways. I challenge you to find any point in 2000 years where the doctrine of the Eucharist has changed.
Here's a clue: you won't find it.

Yea, right. Us Catholics are all worldly and selfish. Third world hospitals, orphanages, schools, nursing homes for the elderly and disabled, food and medicine, in a word, the largest charity in the world is all for show. If you fall for that you will fall for anything.

Hugs after spitting in our faces? Your brain has been damaged by fundie venom. I will discuss any topic with you but not if all you have to say is unjustified hate and lies.

Is this translation right? I don't speak latin.

 

[Ziggy]

God is the head. Holy Spirit is the arm. Jesus is the finger.

3 in one.

 

[Keturah]

For @Ziggy

 

[Ziggy]

For @Ziggy
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Thank you for these kind words.
Hugs

 

[Taken]

Of course I disagree. And I do not think it was a matter of Paul or Peter being in charge. Peter just messed up being a Cephas again.
And all you have presented is folklore. You know what folklore is? It is stories that people like and they talk about it....and in this case it gave them confidence in the Catholic Church.....

Then again what is a Pope.....It is a office....an office that conducts religious business. We would see letters from the Pope with his official signature, seal, and title. He would have a staff and administrative envoys that traveled to deliver different things. His activities and the duties of his office would clearly show up in history.

The fact of the matter is if Peter was actually a Pope and there was a lineage from him, we would not be having this conversation because it would be clearly obvious.

Agree.

* An OFFICE, is an established managerial group of SERVANTS.
* SERVANTS, are established to SERVE the people at large.
* The People at large, can be a Nation, a Business, a Corporation, a School, etc.
* The SERVANTS, have a SET AGENDA and Limiting RULES thereof.
* The People at Large, (Participants) Know and Agree with the Rules.
* The SERVANTS “duty” is to keep an eye on each SERVANT, that “they, each SERVANT, does not SWAY away from the Rules, and they, themselves SERVE according to the Rules.

Then there are kings, emperors, presidents, chairman’s, pastors, preachers, popes, judges, CEO’s, Directors, Bishops, Congress....
by whatever TITLE they wear...
WHO use their positioned TITLE, beyond their AGREED limits, conniving agreed support of other SERVANTS, underhandedly and arbitrarily changing the rules:
DICTATING to the people they are SEATED to SERVE, a REVERSE relationship;
MAKING the people at large, SERVANTS of the seated positioned SERVANTS.
Which becomes A MASTER / SLAVE relationship.

*** ANCIENTLY...God Established a DIVISION of PEOPLE...VERY SIMPLE...
* Individuals AGREEABLE WITH God...
* Individuals DISAGREEABLE WITHOUT God...
God Himself the HEAD RULE MAKER.
Gods RULES established and spoken and written and published.

*** HISTORICALLY...Jesus reiterated a DIVISION of PEOPLE...VERY SIMPLE...
* Individuals AGREEABLE WITH the Lord God...
* Individuals DISAGREEABLE WITHOUT the Lord God...
Lord God Himself the HEAD RULE MAKER.
Lord Gods RULES established and spoken and written and published.

*** MODERNLY...
* The Lord God’s HEAD POSITION, HAS NOT CHANGED.
* The Lord God’s RULES established, spoken, written, published HAVE NOT CHANGED.

*** MODERNLY...
What HAS and DOES change, IS managerial SERVANTS, (made up of men).
What HAS and DOES change, IS:
~ Managerial Servants, making themselves Dictating MASTERS...
~ Managerial Servants, making their OWN rules...(established, spoken, written, published, AND THE Arbitrary and at any WHIM they decide Agreement REQUIREMENT, to BE “WITH” THEM. )

*** PEOPLE AT LARGE....
~ By And Large ARE TRADITIONALISTS....
“Grand daddy, daddy, mommy, believed that, followed that, did that, so ...
so do I.”
....Farmer, business man, military man, plumber, doctor, politician, preacher, musician, actor, drunk, drug addict, thief, trickster, liar, cheater...on and on.

*** POINT BEING....
~ Every INDIVIDUAL, is an PERSON the moment they are severed from their mothers womb and RECEIVE Gods Breath of Life.
~ Every Person IS Individually ACCOUNTABLE, for their OWN choices, OWN beliefs, OWN following, OWN agreements, OWN word.
~ At the END of an INDIVIDUALS mortal life, the BOTTOM LINE is....
ARE they WITH or WITHOUT, their Creator AND Maker.
~ DID THEY Individually hear, learn, consider, agree with the Lord Gods, established, spoken, written, published rules, requirement...OR NOT!

*** IF
~ YOU have MADE yourself a SLAVE to
MASTER man;
*** THEN
~ YOUR consequences are accounted unto YOU.

*** The Lord Gods paramount RULE IS: TEST EVERYTHING.
IF a person is unfamiliar with HOW TO TEST EVERYTHING...
IT MEANS...VERIFY, VALIDATE, what you are TESTING IS ACCEPTABLE.....according to Gods Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Pearl]

I think it's important to point out the properties of the true church. It should have bishops and deacons and apostles and they should be working for their food as is pointed out in the bible. Again the true church will have no poor among them and all will share equally. They will tend to the poor and widows.

Perhaps @Pearl got it correct. The Church is a spiritual matter that we follow Jesus. It does have a structure though as spelled out in the bible. But it is there to facilitate God's will for the members.

It will also have people that prophecy in it. And have dreams.

But it's leaders do not have to be ordained priests or vicars, they do not need to wear robes or light candles etc and the Church does not need large ornate buildings full of 'treasures' to meet in. It could just as well meet in a person's home or a converted industrial unit.

 

[Illuminator]

Is this translation right? I don't speak latin.

How the Satanic Black Mass Proves the Truth of Catholicism​

There have been a number of stories in the news lately of small Satanic groups publicly performing so-called “Black Masses.”

These rituals are based on the Catholic mass but are inverted toward Satan and often involve the desecration of a Eucharistic host.

This sort of thing is evil and should not be taken lightly. It’s also occurred to me, though, how these Black Masses offer a powerful argument for the truth of Catholicism.

[See also: Why Satan Is So Scared of St. John Paul II, According to Rome’s Chief Exorcist]

[See also: A Priest’s Warning Against the Devil’s 10 Deadliest Tricks]

The Eucharist is either Jesus or Evil​

The Eucharist is either Jesus or mere bread and wine.

If the Eucharist is Jesus, everyone should be at Mass, worshipping Our Lord. If the Eucharist is Jesus, there should be no such thing as Protestantism, Mormonism, Islam, atheism, etc. But if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then for two thousand years, the would-be followers of Jesus Christ were actually idolaters. If that’s the case, nobody should be Catholic.

So those are the stakes. Everyone who encountered Jesus of Nazareth was faced with a crucial question: is this God, in some mysterious guise, or not? The early Christians called this the “aut Deus aut malus homo” (“either God or a bad man”). Everyone encountering the Eucharist is faced with the same question: either God or idolatry.

And of course, if the Eucharist is pagan idolatry, it’s demonic. As 1 Corinthians 10:20 says, “what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God.”

The whole world hangs on this point: is the Eucharist Jesus or an idol? Is the Sacrifice of the Mass being offered to God, or to demons?

Satan Hates the Eucharist
The satanic Black Mass is a ritual inversion (and mockery) of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass performed by Satanists. Now, there are two types of Satanists: “LaVey Satanists,” and “theological Satanists.” LaVey Satanists atheists who don’t believe in Satan, and use “Satanism” as a tool to harass and provoke Christians (unlike“theological Satanists,” who believe in Satan and worship him). But whether the practitioners are playing at the occult, or serious, there’s no question that they’re tapping into some seriously dark spiritual forces. Satan is at work here.

And it worth pointing out that when Satanists (of both kind) want to mock a religious ritual, you can bet that it’s going to be the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that they target. How often do you hear about Muslim or Hindu or Jewish (or even Protestant) services being subjected to such intense Satanic mockery?

Nor is this Satanic targeting of the Mass anything new. As far back as the fourth century, St. Epiphanius of Salamis described a sect of Gnosticism performing a perverted mockery of Mass. I won’t go into the details, but it was graphic enough that the members of this sect became known as “Borborians” (“filthy ones”).

Satan Doesn’t Drive Out Satan​

So the Eucharist is either Jesus or evil (since if it’s not Jesus, it’s idolatry) and since the devil hates the Eucharist, we can cross “evil” off the list.

For some additional Biblical support, consider Matthew 12.22-28:

“Then a blind and dumb demoniac was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “It is only by Be-el′zebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”​

​

“Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Be-el′zebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”​

This passage is important: it shows, for example, that Catholic exorcists are operating by the Spirit of God when they drive out demons. But it also means that if Satan hates the Mass, we can be sure that the Mass isn’t evil.

Of course, if the Mass isn’t demonic, if it isn’t idolatry, that really only leaves one option: that the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, and that the Sacrifice of the Mass is presenting Jesus to the Father. This (and as far as I can tell, this alone), accounts for the Satanic mockery.

The Target of Satan
Even if the only thing you knew about Catholicism was that its central form of worship, the Mass, was the target of Satanic ire, you would already have good reason to believe that Catholicism was the true religion.

But taken with all of the other evidence for the truth that the Eucharist is Jesus, that the Mass is a Sacrifice instituted by God, and that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, Satan is just one more (unwitting) witness for the truth of Jesus Christ and His Church.

source

 

[Raccoon1010]

How the Satanic Black Mass Proves the Truth of Catholicism​

There have been a number of stories in the news lately of small Satanic groups publicly performing so-called “Black Masses.”

These rituals are based on the Catholic mass but are inverted toward Satan and often involve the desecration of a Eucharistic host.

This sort of thing is evil and should not be taken lightly. It’s also occurred to me, though, how these Black Masses offer a powerful argument for the truth of Catholicism.

[See also: Why Satan Is So Scared of St. John Paul II, According to Rome’s Chief Exorcist]

[See also: A Priest’s Warning Against the Devil’s 10 Deadliest Tricks]

The Eucharist is either Jesus or Evil​

The Eucharist is either Jesus or mere bread and wine.

If the Eucharist is Jesus, everyone should be at Mass, worshipping Our Lord. If the Eucharist is Jesus, there should be no such thing as Protestantism, Mormonism, Islam, atheism, etc. But if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then for two thousand years, the would-be followers of Jesus Christ were actually idolaters. If that’s the case, nobody should be Catholic.

So those are the stakes. Everyone who encountered Jesus of Nazareth was faced with a crucial question: is this God, in some mysterious guise, or not? The early Christians called this the “aut Deus aut malus homo” (“either God or a bad man”). Everyone encountering the Eucharist is faced with the same question: either God or idolatry.

And of course, if the Eucharist is pagan idolatry, it’s demonic. As 1 Corinthians 10:20 says, “what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God.”

The whole world hangs on this point: is the Eucharist Jesus or an idol? Is the Sacrifice of the Mass being offered to God, or to demons?

Satan Hates the Eucharist
The satanic Black Mass is a ritual inversion (and mockery) of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass performed by Satanists. Now, there are two types of Satanists: “LaVey Satanists,” and “theological Satanists.” LaVey Satanists atheists who don’t believe in Satan, and use “Satanism” as a tool to harass and provoke Christians (unlike“theological Satanists,” who believe in Satan and worship him). But whether the practitioners are playing at the occult, or serious, there’s no question that they’re tapping into some seriously dark spiritual forces. Satan is at work here.

And it worth pointing out that when Satanists (of both kind) want to mock a religious ritual, you can bet that it’s going to be the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that they target. How often do you hear about Muslim or Hindu or Jewish (or even Protestant) services being subjected to such intense Satanic mockery?

Nor is this Satanic targeting of the Mass anything new. As far back as the fourth century, St. Epiphanius of Salamis described a sect of Gnosticism performing a perverted mockery of Mass. I won’t go into the details, but it was graphic enough that the members of this sect became known as “Borborians” (“filthy ones”).

Satan Doesn’t Drive Out Satan​

So the Eucharist is either Jesus or evil (since if it’s not Jesus, it’s idolatry) and since the devil hates the Eucharist, we can cross “evil” off the list.

For some additional Biblical support, consider Matthew 12.22-28:

“Then a blind and dumb demoniac was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “It is only by Be-el′zebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”​

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“Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Be-el′zebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”​

This passage is important: it shows, for example, that Catholic exorcists are operating by the Spirit of God when they drive out demons. But it also means that if Satan hates the Mass, we can be sure that the Mass isn’t evil.

Of course, if the Mass isn’t demonic, if it isn’t idolatry, that really only leaves one option: that the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, and that the Sacrifice of the Mass is presenting Jesus to the Father. This (and as far as I can tell, this alone), accounts for the Satanic mockery.

The Target of Satan
Even if the only thing you knew about Catholicism was that its central form of worship, the Mass, was the target of Satanic ire, you would already have good reason to believe that Catholicism was the true religion.

But taken with all of the other evidence for the truth that the Eucharist is Jesus, that the Mass is a Sacrifice instituted by God, and that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, Satan is just one more (unwitting) witness for the truth of Jesus Christ and His Church.

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The sacrament is bread and wine. Jesus performs the eternal life thru the Holy Spirit, you need to re-read John chapter 6. I created a thread on it here: The Holy Sacrament is Spiritual

That is one of the things the Catholic church got wrong. Just as sacrificing lamb is not Jesus' sacrifice, nor is the bread and wine Jesus' real body and blood.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The sacrament is bread and wine. Jesus performs the eternal life thru the Holy Spirit, you need to re-read John chapter 6. I created a thread on it here: The Holy Sacrament is Spiritual

That is one of the things the Catholic church got wrong.

Its amazing

Jesus said whoever ate in John 6 will never hunger, never thirst, Never die, live forever. Be raised on the last day and has eternal life.

He also called it the food which ENDURED to eternal life.

He also told them it is not like the manna, which they ate daily and still died.

yet the roman church weekly eats this so called food that jesus said one who ate it would live forever.

In their own sacrament, they call Jesus a liar..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How the Satanic Black Mass Proves the Truth of Catholicism​

There have been a number of stories in the news lately of small Satanic groups publicly performing so-called “Black Masses.”

These rituals are based on the Catholic mass but are inverted toward Satan and often involve the desecration of a Eucharistic host.

This sort of thing is evil and should not be taken lightly. It’s also occurred to me, though, how these Black Masses offer a powerful argument for the truth of Catholicism.

[See also: Why Satan Is So Scared of St. John Paul II, According to Rome’s Chief Exorcist]

[See also: A Priest’s Warning Against the Devil’s 10 Deadliest Tricks]

The Eucharist is either Jesus or Evil​

The Eucharist is either Jesus or mere bread and wine.

If the Eucharist is Jesus, everyone should be at Mass, worshipping Our Lord. If the Eucharist is Jesus, there should be no such thing as Protestantism, Mormonism, Islam, atheism, etc. But if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then for two thousand years, the would-be followers of Jesus Christ were actually idolaters. If that’s the case, nobody should be Catholic.

So those are the stakes. Everyone who encountered Jesus of Nazareth was faced with a crucial question: is this God, in some mysterious guise, or not? The early Christians called this the “aut Deus aut malus homo” (“either God or a bad man”). Everyone encountering the Eucharist is faced with the same question: either God or idolatry.

And of course, if the Eucharist is pagan idolatry, it’s demonic. As 1 Corinthians 10:20 says, “what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God.”

The whole world hangs on this point: is the Eucharist Jesus or an idol? Is the Sacrifice of the Mass being offered to God, or to demons?

Satan Hates the Eucharist
The satanic Black Mass is a ritual inversion (and mockery) of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass performed by Satanists. Now, there are two types of Satanists: “LaVey Satanists,” and “theological Satanists.” LaVey Satanists atheists who don’t believe in Satan, and use “Satanism” as a tool to harass and provoke Christians (unlike“theological Satanists,” who believe in Satan and worship him). But whether the practitioners are playing at the occult, or serious, there’s no question that they’re tapping into some seriously dark spiritual forces. Satan is at work here.

And it worth pointing out that when Satanists (of both kind) want to mock a religious ritual, you can bet that it’s going to be the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that they target. How often do you hear about Muslim or Hindu or Jewish (or even Protestant) services being subjected to such intense Satanic mockery?

Nor is this Satanic targeting of the Mass anything new. As far back as the fourth century, St. Epiphanius of Salamis described a sect of Gnosticism performing a perverted mockery of Mass. I won’t go into the details, but it was graphic enough that the members of this sect became known as “Borborians” (“filthy ones”).

Satan Doesn’t Drive Out Satan​

So the Eucharist is either Jesus or evil (since if it’s not Jesus, it’s idolatry) and since the devil hates the Eucharist, we can cross “evil” off the list.

For some additional Biblical support, consider Matthew 12.22-28:

“Then a blind and dumb demoniac was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “It is only by Be-el′zebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”​

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“Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Be-el′zebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”​

This passage is important: it shows, for example, that Catholic exorcists are operating by the Spirit of God when they drive out demons. But it also means that if Satan hates the Mass, we can be sure that the Mass isn’t evil.

Of course, if the Mass isn’t demonic, if it isn’t idolatry, that really only leaves one option: that the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, and that the Sacrifice of the Mass is presenting Jesus to the Father. This (and as far as I can tell, this alone), accounts for the Satanic mockery.

The Target of Satan
Even if the only thing you knew about Catholicism was that its central form of worship, the Mass, was the target of Satanic ire, you would already have good reason to believe that Catholicism was the true religion.

But taken with all of the other evidence for the truth that the Eucharist is Jesus, that the Mass is a Sacrifice instituted by God, and that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, Satan is just one more (unwitting) witness for the truth of Jesus Christ and His Church.

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the eucharist is evil

Jesus said whoever eats will never hunger, never thirst. never die, live forever

yet your church has people eat it every mass. and they STILL are not promised they would never die

Jesus told us what his flesh and blood was. "it is the spirit who gives life. the words he speaks are spirit and they are life.

That is what he told them to chew on.. That is what Peter acknowledged, They we know "you have the words of eternal life"

 

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But it's leaders do not have to be ordained priests or vicars, they do not need to wear robes or light candles etc and the Church does not need large ornate buildings full of 'treasures' to meet in. It could just as well meet in a person's home or a converted industrial unit.

the churches in acts met in peoples homes.. it is said many of them met and broke bread almost daily..

 

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Its amazing

Jesus said whoever ate in John 6 will never hunger, never thirst, Never die, live forever. Be raised on the last day and has eternal life.

He also called it the food which ENDURED to eternal life.

He also told them it is not like the manna, which they ate daily and still died.

yet the roman church weekly eats this so called food that jesus said one who ate it would live forever.

In their own sacrament, they call Jesus a liar..

Well I don't think their intentionally calling Jesus a liar. But they have a history of bible interpretation that can be extreme. Some of it good, others goes too far.

Now we know that it is Jesus real body and blood that will save us. But John 6 makes it clear that he will connect with us thru the quickening spirit to perform this miracle. Which is perhaps the greatest miracle of all, next to God's existence.