Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[Charlie24]

It gets back to the information that has been withheld from us by the church. It even happens at my church.

In the interest of defending miracles, people were saying that waking up every morning is a miracle.
On one level, I believe that, but it certainly isn't convincing to the world.
Waking up every morning is a natural occurrence.

You are missing the point.
This is an obvious misquote. I have no HUGE problem with that. I'm enjoying all your backpedaling and belittling though.

Really? David wrote the Psalms BEFORE Christ accomplished His mission? - LOL
So glad you straightened me out on that. - LOL
Cuz im knot two brite.

Wait... so Paul INTENTIONALLY misquotes David?
And this is supposed to be obvious to the reader that this was intentional.

Looks like evangelical workarounds to me.
"There's a OBVIOUS problem here, we need an answer, FAST!"

Very confusing to me? Wow. (ouch)

"Christ RECIEVED GIFTS" ??? Like what?

Like I said before, this is the nonsense we have to endure from the deceived UR.

If I explain what David and Paul were speaking of, I will have to explain that, and then explain that, into infinity.

I know you have never heard of it, and all of it will require explanation piled on explanation.

I'm not in the book writing business, Steven.

 

[St. SteVen]

Like I said before, this is the nonsense we have to endure from the deceived UR.

If I explain what David and Paul were speaking of, I will have to explain that, and then explain that, into infinity.

I know you have never heard of it, and all of it will require explanation piled on explanation.

I'm not in the book writing business, Steven.

I guess I'm a hopeless case. - LOL

Frankly, anything that takes that long to explain is obviously wrong.

 

[Charlie24]

I guess I'm a hopeless case. - LOL

Frankly, anything that takes that long to explain is obviously wrong.

LOL, now that's funny!

 

[St. SteVen]

@Charlie24

Universal Redemption in a nutshell.

Jesus gave his life to pay the death penalty for the sin of the whole world.

John the Baptist said it all.
“Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" - John 1:29 NIV

 

[Charlie24]

I guess I'm a hopeless case. - LOL

Frankly, anything that takes that long to explain is obviously wrong.

Since you have this gift of making others feel guilty, I'll give you a preview of what they were speaking of.

But I'm telling you right now Steven, I'm not going to write a book explaining this to you.

You can go online and read about this from several sources, probably not my version, but a version.

They were talking about Christ just before His resurrection, going down into Paradise and releasing the saints from being captive of Satan.

Now tell me you don't have at least a couple of hundred questions, lol.

So go online familiarize yourself with it and we can talk. That will cut down tremendously on the explanations for me.

 

[St. SteVen]

Frankly, anything that takes that long to explain is obviously wrong.

@Charlie24

Anyone who would listen to such a long presentation would probably surrender to it just to make you stop talking. - LOL

 

[Charlie24]

@Charlie24

Anyone who would listen to such a long presentation would probably surrender to it just to make you stop talking. - LOL

OK, at first it was funny, but now.......

 

[St. SteVen]

They were talking about Christ just before His resurrection, going down into Paradise and releasing the saints from being captive of Satan.

Don't be silly. This is ALREADY part of UR doctrine. If I can insult UR that way. (apologies for the apologetics)

From my notes:

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Note: Christ was laid in an above ground tomb. Where is the heart of the earth?

Answer: the realm of the dead

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, Ephesians 4:8-10 This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.” 9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Peter 4:6 NRSV
For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.

Romans 14:9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

 

[St. SteVen]

OK, at first it was funny, but now.......

I'm done. (sorry)

 

[St. SteVen]

They were talking about Christ just before His resurrection, going down into Paradise and releasing the saints from being captive of Satan.

Where we disagree on this, is that you limit it to "the saints".
You could TRY to explain that. But remember... you promised NOT to write a book.

How does taking captivity captive equate to a limited number? Weren't ALL captive?

This is the kind of nonsense we have to put up with. - LOL

 

[Charlie24]

Where we disagree on this, is that you limit it to "the saints".
You could TRY to explain that. But remember... you promised NOT to write a book.

LOL, and I meant it too! I don't know the version from the UR, so this will be educational for me.

Now the roles are reversed for the first time. You do the explaining for a change.

Support your version with Scripture, and tell me why we disagree on "limiting it to the saints."

 

[St. SteVen]

Since you have this gift of making others feel guilty,

I thought it was a spiritual gift. I could be wrong.

 

[St. SteVen]

LOL, and I meant it too! I don't know the version from the UR, so this will be educational for me.

Now the roles are reversed for the first time. You do the explaining for a change.

Support your version with Scripture, and tell me why we disagree on "limiting it to the saints."

I gave you the scripture in Post #68. Any questions?

 

[Charlie24]

I thought it was a spiritual gift. I could be wrong.

I don't remember Paul mentioning that spiritual gift, maybe it was an addition by the UR. LOL

 

[Charlie24]

I gave you the scripture in Post #68. Any questions?

That's not what I expected, it's certainly not the way I explain the Scripture.

Explain, with Scripture support, why you think there were others released other than the saints.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't remember Paul mentioning that spiritual gift, maybe it was an addition by the UR. LOL

Nope. IMHO
If anyone has the market cornered on guilt, it's the Damnationist church. - LOL

UR is pretty much guilt free. I mean, everyone goes to heaven. How much more guilt-free could you get?

Though, as you noted, I seem to have a gift.

 

[St. SteVen]

Explain, with Scripture support, why you think there were others released other than the saints.

Why should I explain away your assumption that is not supported by scripture in the first place?
Does ANYTHING in post #68 say that ONLY the saints (whoever that is) were released? (nope)

1 Peter 4:6 NRSV
For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

 

[Charlie24]

Nope. IMHO
If anyone has the market cornered on guilt, it's the Damnationist church. - LOL

UR is pretty much guilt free. I mean, everyone goes to heaven. How much more guilt-free could you get?

Though, as you noted, I seem to have a gift.

The gift of gab. That is a familiar feature throughout the UR ranks.

No doubt to cover the fact they have no Scriptural support for anything they say.

 

[St. SteVen]

The gift of gab. That is a familiar feature throughout the UR ranks.

No doubt to cover the fact they have no Scriptural support for anything they say.

Better watch it, buddy. - LOL
Or I'll write you a book. Copy/Paste - KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need to roll out around 4 AM. Catch you on the flip side. Thanks.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I worked for engineers and designed code to better design deep sea underwater connectors. Later I started my own business and designed and manufactured my own product, but I'm not an engineer, just trained in the machining industry. And still later I'm trying to come up with a theory.

And what I learned from that is to be scientific in my thinking. If it is factual and passes some of the criteria for a fact finding investigation, then we can accept it as fact until a better understanding becomes clear.

The same thinking can be used with revelation. The King James version spells out that "God repented of the evil he thought to do" when Moses talked to him on the mountain. In revelation God taught me that God can do no evil and Satan can do no good. He confirmed it with the Holy Spirit so I know it's true. I now read the New King James version.

I think if someone is a prophet or received some revelation then the Holy Spirit will testify if it is true. Otherwise we are under no obligation to believe them. That's how I was taught when I was LDS, and it makes sense to me still that I'm accepting God's true church as established in the bible.

Satan can do no good ? I thought he ran this world and look at anyone who is a real conman ? don't they lead one by deception, that one thinks they are doing good ! so how could a deceptive person lead one astray by not claiming to be good or doing good.

I seen on TV one who was the Devil and he claimed, too of built all of it that we see nowadays ! His mitts are upon it all.

Doing good ? as to who ? God or Man ?

Blood transfusion ? well a history into all that, not all good.
Transplants good ? well well on the face of it ? but criminals intent that is involved ? Oh don't point that out to the masses or else they may wake up to the reality's of this worlds corruption, goes way beyond their capacity.
Unimaginable evil that goes on. ask one who knows what truly goes on, money talks in all business ! but the majority are under deceptions.
Sign up on your licence to be one to donate. That is advertised on TV ! and your a hero. makes one feel good ! but do they know what they have truly signed ? Not many truly know what they sign regardless even in the Bank when signing as my mate who was a Loans manager for 30 years, did not understand the small print all totally 100% so how can anyone other know, it's just blind faith. not to mention he had a organ transplant from 15yo and does one know all of what that involved to live with. more to it than just passing the op. Best be prepared for the reality's. Good well ? from what angle, may describe it.