Abortion

[Jack]

If the fetus is going to die anyway, in other words, the fetus is killing the mother and no mother means no pregnancy which means the fetus dies anyway, is not the life of the mother more important, especially if she has other children? Why should both die when an snoring will save the mother?

IOW, you're taking away the babies choice for a sinful mother. That's murder. If the woman chooses to kill her baby and burn in Hell that's her choice.

That is my favorite scripture and at face value that is what it means. I do not think Jesus meant that if the fetus is killing you and both of you will die, that you must just die too. There will be two deaths, not just one.

You're spewing Left wing, pro abortion propaganda. I wonder why.

Look, I'm not going to change my mind. I will always support medical abortions where the mother's life will be saved. While it is sad that an abortion must happen, the life of the mother is also of value and must be protected when the fetus is going to die anyway. I am talking about when the fetus cannot be saved.

So then you believe the doctors and Planned Parenthood who kill babies for $$$! Do doctors live in mansions?

 

[Naomanos]

IOW, you're taking away the babies choice for a sinful mother. That's murder. If the woman chooses to kill her baby and burn in Hell that's her choice.

In every post I am talking about a fetus that is doing and killing the mother too. The fetus is dying anyway. What part of that are you not understanding? So two should die rather than one?

Sinful mother? Married Christian women are faced with this choice as well. They aren't sinful. They are not promiscuous. They got pregnant from their lawful husband and now find themselves where the fetus is dying and killing them too. Again, why should both die?

Dead mother = dead fetus. Pretty simple concept.

You're spewing Left wing, pro abortion propaganda. I wonder why.

Not at all. I am talking about real life situations. I have seen these situations happen. I'm starting to think you haven't. I have and they are very real.

So the you believe the doctors and Planned Parenthood who kill babies for $$$! Do doctors live in mansions?

No. I believe my own eyes. I have seen these situations. I have transported women who were having complications with their pregnancy and the fetus was killing them. They were still not at the point of viability for the fetus. If they didn't get an abortion, they would die. Remember, dead mother = dead fetus. If the abortion wasn't performed, the mother would die and the fetus would die either way.

This is where Jesus has more mercy than you it would seem. He would know that she isn't performing the abortion out of malicious intent. That she is doing it because the fetus inside of her is going to die anyway.

I will say it again as clear as I can. I am not talking about abortions for abortion sake. I do not support abortions for abortion sake. I support abortions where the pregnancy is killing the mother. As there doesn't need to be two dead if only one is dying.

 

[Jack]

In every post I am talking about a fetus that is doing and killing the mother too. The fetus is dying anyway. What part of that are you not understanding? So two should die rather than one?

Sinful mother? Married Christian women are faced with this choice as well. They aren't sinful. They are not promiscuous. They got pregnant from their lawful husband and now find themselves where the fetus is dying and killing them too. Again, why should both die?

Dead mother = dead fetus. Pretty simple concept.



Not at all. I am talking about real life situations. I have seen these situations happen. I'm starting to think you haven't. I have and they are very real.



No. I believe my own eyes. I have seen these situations. I have transported women who were having complications with their pregnancy and the fetus was killing them. They were still not at the point of viability for the fetus. If they didn't get an abortion, they would die. Remember, dead mother = dead fetus. If the abortion wasn't performed, the mother would die and the fetus would die either way.

This is where Jesus has more mercy than you it would seem. He would know that she isn't performing the abortion out of malicious intent. That she is doing it because the fetus inside of her is going to die anyway.

I will say it again as clear as I can. I am not talking about abortions for abortion sake. I do not support abortions for abortion sake. I support abortions where the pregnancy is killing the mother. As there doesn't need to be two dead if only one is dying.

You're promoting killing babies! How does a woman killing her baby and burning in Hell forever and ever help her other children??? And how will it help you on Judgment Day advising her to kill her baby?

 

[Naomanos]

You're promoting killing babies! How does a woman killing her baby and burning in Hell forever and ever help her other children??? And how will it help you on Judgment Day?

I promoting abortion for medical reasons where the fetus is dying and is killing the mother or the pregnancy itself is killing the mother. Why should two die? You are ignoring a simple concept: mother dies = fetus dies. If the fetus is killing the mother, it doesn't live anyway when she dies.

How does a woman killing her baby and burning in Hell forever and ever help her other children???

I am saying that I think Jesus will have more mercy on her then you are at this current moment. I do not think He will condemn her to hell for making the choice to have an abortion when the fetus was dying anyway. Abortion is also not the unforgivable sin.

And how will it help you on Judgment Day?

I will be just fine on Judgment Day. As I have said, I spent alot of time praying about this very subject and always got peace that surpasses understanding while doing so.

As I have said as clear as I can multiple times. I do not support abortion for abortion sake. I support abortion where the pregnancy or fetus is killing the mother and the fetus has no chance of survival and will die anyway. Both do not need to die if only one is. Dead mother = dead fetus.

 

[Jack]

I promoting abortion for medical reasons where the fetus is dying and is killing the mother or the pregnancy itself is killing the mother. Why should two die? You are ignoring a simple concept: mother dies = fetus dies. If the fetus is killing the mother, it doesn't live anyway when she dies.

I am saying that I think Jesus will have more mercy on her then you are at this current moment. I do not think He will condemn her to hell for making the choice to have an abortion when the fetus was dying anyway. Abortion is also not the unforgivable sin.

I will be just fine on Judgment Day. As I have said, I spent alot of time praying about this very subject and always got peace that surpasses understanding while doing so.

As I have said as clear as I can multiple times. I do not support abortion for abortion sake. I support abortion where the pregnancy or fetus is killing the mother and the fetus has no chance of survival and will die anyway. Both do not need to die if only one is. Dead mother = dead fetus.

So you really think you can advise women to kill their babies and be ok on Judgment Day? Do you even believe in Judgment Day? Have you ever read the Bible? This is a Christian forum. Christians want to save lives not kill babies for sinful women.

 

[Naomanos]

So you really think you can advise women to kill their babies and be ok on Judgment Day?

Based on what I have said as the reasons for abortion, yep. I will be just fine. As I have said, and you have ignored, I have prayed about this very thing for a very long time and received peace that I cannot explain.

Do you even believe in Judgment Day?

I do and I know I will be just fine.

Have you ever read the Bible?

Yep, at least four times from cover to cover.

This is a Christian forum.

It is and I am a Christian.

Christians want to save lives not kill babies for sinful women.

I have saved many lives in my 20 years on an ambulance. There are many, many Chrostians who agree with me that medical abortions are okay, especially if the fetus will not survive.

You do know that Christian women are faced with this decision as well? It is not just promiscuous women. Christian women choose to have an abortion because the pregnancy or fetus is killing them

But you know this, you are just being disingenuous.

 

[Jack]

Based on what I have said as the reasons for abortion, yep. I will be just fine. As I have said, and you have ignored, I have prayed about this very thing for a very long time and received peace that I cannot explain.



I do and I know I will be just fine.



Yep, at least four times from cover to cover.



It is and I am a Christian.



I have saved many lives in my 20 years on an ambulance. There are many, many Chrostians who agree with me that medical abortions are okay, especially if the fetus will not survive.

You do know that Christian women are faced with this decision as well? It is not just promiscuous women. Christian women choose to have an abortion because the pregnancy or fetus is killing them

But you know this, you are just being disingenuous.

You're defending killing babies for sinners and $$$! That's not what Christians do!

 

[Naomanos]

You're defending killing babies for sinners!

You are being disingenuous and everyone can read it.

Christian women who are pregnant by their husbands also have complications during pregnancy. They haven't sinned by having sex with their husbands and getting pregnant. Pregnancy complications aren't just for women who are promiscuous.

I am defending abortions for medical reasons, not for birth control, but you know this.

 

[Jack]

You are being disingenuous and everyone can read it.

Christian women who are pregnant by their husbands also have complications during pregnancy. They haven't sinned by having sex with their husbands and getting pregnant. Pregnancy complications aren't just for women who are promiscuous.

I am defending abortions for medical reasons, not for birth control, but you know this.

Christian women don't kill their babies to save their own lives, and Christians don't advise women to kill their babies.

 

[Naomanos]

Christian women don't kill their babies to save their own lives, and Christians don't advise women to kill their babies.

Your opinion is noted and reported.

You are impying that I am not a Christian and that Christian women who get an abortion for medical reasons are not Christians which is against the rules of this forum.

 

[Jack]

Your opinion is noted and reported.

You are impying that I am not a Christian and that Christian women who get an abortion for medical reasons are not Christians which is against the rules of this forum.

How do you think killing babies for sinners is Christian??? Sometimes the Truth saves people from Hell fire.

 

[Jack]

Your opinion is noted and reported.

You are impying that I am not a Christian and that Christian women who get an abortion for medical reasons are not Christians which is against the rules of this forum.

Some people report others when they are proven wrong!

 

[Naomanos]

The Truth hurts indeed, but sometimes it saves people from Hell fire.

It is not truth about me or those Christian women. It is against the rules and you broke them, therefore you have been reported.

You are going to be pretty surprised by those who end up in Heaven when you said otherwise.

 

[Naomanos]

Some people report others when they are proven wrong!

Hahaha... thanks! Needed a good laugh. I have not been proven wrong, not even close, but is is surely a good try on your part.

I reported you because you broke the forum rules which state that you cannot imply or state that someone is not a Christian.

It is a blatant lie that I am not a Christian.

 

[Jack]

It is not truth about me or those Christian women. It is against the rules and you broke them, therefore you have been reported.

You are going to be pretty surprised by those who end up in Heaven when you said otherwise.

I say let babies live. You say let sinful women live. Good luck on Judgment Day!

 

[Jack]

Hahaha... thanks! Needed a good laugh. I have not been proven wrong, not even close, but is is surely a good try on your part.

I reported you because you broke the forum rules which state that you cannot imply or state that someone is not a Christian.

It is a blatant lie that I am not a Christian.

I didn't say you're not Christian. I say Christians don't kill babies nor promote Planned Parenthood!

 

[Jack]

Hahaha... thanks! Needed a good laugh. I have not been proven wrong, not even close, but is is surely a good try on your part.

I reported you because you broke the forum rules which state that you cannot imply or state that someone is not a Christian.

It is a blatant lie that I am not a Christian.

You implied that I want women to die several times, a Satanic lie!

 

[Jack]

It is not truth about me or those Christian women. It is against the rules and you broke them, therefore you have been reported.

You are going to be pretty surprised by those who end up in Heaven when you said otherwise.

Would you kill your baby to save your own life?

 

[Naomanos]

I say let babies live. You say let sinful women live. Good luck on Judgment Day!

Christian women who have an abortion because the fetus/pregnancy is killing them are not sinful.

I am fine on Judgment Day. My prayers and the peace I received confirm that.

 

[Naomanos]

I didn't say you're not Christian. I say Christians don't kill babies nor promote Planned Parenthood!

I haven't promoted planned Parenthood. That is another lie about me. You said Chrostians don't kill babies. You are implying I am not a Christian because I support abortions for medical reasons.