What does it mean to be born again?

[marks]

the baptism of the down payment of the Holy Spirit.

I don't understand that that is.

In Romans 6, God teaches us about being baptised into Christ. Is this something that you think has been done with you? Are you baptized into Christ?

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

The real question here is, have you been baptized into Jesus Christ? Do you think this is something you can know?

Much love!

I think the real question is why you don’t believe: you are yet carnal.

 

[marks]

Yeah, that’s not the direction I’m going.

I know a very good reason to not go looking, it's not there. Just more false words to muddy the waters.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I know a very good reason to not go looking, it's not there. Just more false words to muddy the waters.

Much love!

Uh huh. Right.

 

[marks]

I think the real question is why you don’t believe: you are yet carnal.

I hope this is making an impression on you, that there is this very significant passage of Scripture specifically addressing these things that you will not engage with.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I think the real question is why you don’t believe: you are yet carnal.

When Paul wrote those words, but you are yet carnal, it was concerning those who were trying to divide the church, pitting one against another, much like Epi was on another thread recently, advertising for those who would join him against Behold, split us into factions.

I can find that for you if you didn't see it.

But how does this address whether or not you are baptized - immersed - into Jesus Christ?

You cannot seem to answer my question to you, and seem to be pushing against it as hard as you can. It's truth that sets you free.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I hope this is making an impression on you, that there is this very significant passage of Scripture specifically addressing these things that you will not engage with.

Much love!

He spoke “in human terms because of the weakness of their flesh”, those who he was speaking to in the chapter you are referencing.
Im not like you. I don’t assume all the pleasant sounding things are me and all the hard or bitter things are not me. If I had a nickel for every time I heard you say, that verse doesn’t apply to me but only to Israel or to unbelievers, I’d buy a house.
I also don’t fully understand all things that Paul said yet. (I don’t think you do either, despite your claims.)
I do know I’ve died to the law, as he speaks about later, and that the law of sin and death has no power over me any more and that I will never die. But no matter how hard you brow beat me my flesh is not dead and I won’t state that it is. Not even when the other man said I was delusional and was most likely on lots of drugs was I bullied into saying something not true about myself. And honestly, that other man is far, far more nasty than you could be, so if I was going to be browbeaten into saying what you want me to say, he would have had the better chance of victory.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

When Paul wrote those words, but you are yet carnal, it was concerning those who were trying to divide the church, pitting one against another, much like Epi was on another thread recently, advertising for those who would join him against Behold, split us into factions.

I can find that for you if you didn't see it.

But how does this address whether or not you are baptized - immersed - into Jesus Christ?

You cannot seem to answer my question to you, and seem to be pushing against it as hard as you can. It's truth that sets you free.

Much love!

I’ve answered your question dozens upon dozens of times over the years. He is in me, I have not yet been in Him in walking in the Spirit. I am led by Him.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

When Paul wrote those words, but you are yet carnal, it was concerning those who were trying to divide the church, pitting one against another, much like Epi was on another thread recently, advertising for those who would join him against Behold, split us into factions.

Oh blah blah blah. Ridiculous.
Is there any thread of his you don’t rush into to badmouth epi and say how false and lying he is? And that’s not an attempt to divide?
So why do you still not believe Paul when he says:you are yet carnal?
So ridiculous.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am dumbfounded about those who try to earn salvation. Who do not understand the Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ himself. so just as Christ died, we died with him, His death is credited to our account.

people want to give God their bloody filthy rags as payment for sin and think God will accept it

He wont!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It’s like a bunch of children pretending they can read a book…while holding it upside down.

 

[APAK]

What Paul taught generally in Romans 6 he applied to himself in Galatians 2. There's no mystery in this. It's true for all who are baptized into Christ.

I find Romans 6 being largely ignored here. And by all appearance, simply not believed by some.

Much love!

Very much in agreement...folks should get out their Bibles and go to Romans 6 and really digest it for their lives as they live in faith for Christ and his works and the Spirit will continue to encourage us to keep denying ourselves and its sins in the flesh, to death (we have been baptized in faith and spirit into him with his death and resurrection from the Cross) ,and we live as the Son of God, as his spirit today and tomorrow. We are exercising and maturing our righteousness because of Christ and the Spirit of God, today.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I am dumbfounded about those who try to earn salvation.

Those trying to earn salvation are those who don’t believe the gospel and observe the Old Testament ceremonial laws.

people want to give God their bloody filthy rags as payment for sin

The works of born again believers are not filthy rags.

“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:10)

You erroneously accuse believers who heed warnings like this (below) as “trying to earn salvation”.

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

 

[APAK]

Its because of Episkopos...... as that one told the members here, ....and including Stunnedbygrace... that The Cross of Christ, is "whipping boy" nonsense.
Could the Devil Himself have said it any better?

So, you can imagine what a Thread that is given to try to explain "born again" is going to turn out to be, when the writer is the person who LITERALLY said that The Cross of Jesus, is "whipping boy", nonsense.

Let me show you this Thread and his next one, and Video.

It will be this....= "" there is confusion and every evil work, because... this Thread is.... """"not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish."""

= "whipping boy" nonsense Threads.

You're on one reader., and see the result?

CHAOS, confusion, deception, "DEVILISH"., as "spiritual and theological confusion is of the DEVIL."

Just ask the OP.

And its so sad that scripture has been twisted and supplemented to serve a personal idea not aligned in scripture, an elitist idea of being an extra special believer who apparently is the only one of a few that has not reached the Cross yet, and is still struggling to get to it, having secret knowledge of an extra grace requirement of a unique salvation that only a few find and can walk in spirit.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Lol.

 

[Lizbeth]

The man poured out and shared his hurting heart with an entire forum. How I respond to that is my business. I don’t care if he was or wasn’t Catholic. It’s good though that you feel remorse for it.

Anything someone says on a public forum is open to comment.

I just can't help but notice when what I'm discerning doesn't line up with either the spirit of Christ or what someone is claiming about themselves. That disconnect tells me something. It would tell you something too if you had discernment.

 

[Lizbeth]

You’re not flibbertygoopit me! I’m insignificant and humble and often speak in four different languages in one sentence! I’m so humble and full of the spirit and you are void of the Spirit! Quit metzacheking me you mocker! Can’t you see how holy and full of myself I am??! Sell all you have and buy a super secret decoder ring so you can decode my holier than thou post!
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Talk about a screaming sheep. Sounds like you need to take a break.

Wonderful nuances the ancient languages have that better express what the spirit is saying. English isn't the best at that.

 

[Lizbeth]

It's plain Scripture.

Romans 4:1-5 KJV
1) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2) For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Not by any works of righteousness, but his faith is counted for righteousness.

Much love!

Amen, plain scripture, but unfortunately there are those who are simply blind and deaf to plain scripture.

 

[marks]

He spoke “in human terms because of the weakness of their flesh”, those who he was speaking to in the chapter you are referencing.

Let's keep things in their contexts.

Romans 6:16-20 KJV
16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19) I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20) For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

He speaks in the manner of men . . . for as you have yielded your members servants to uncleanness . . . now yield your members . . .

Im not like you. I don’t assume all the pleasant sounding things are me and all the hard or bitter things are not me.

Though you are perfectly willing to both assume this above, and announce your conclusions of me to all.

That I simply assume anything I don't like isn't about me?

Is this truly what you think, that I give no consideration towards how I "rightly divide the Word of Truth"? That I just chop it up based on personal likes and dislikes?

Or is it maybe your feelings are lashing out?

If I had a nickel for every time I heard you say, that verse doesn’t apply to me but only to Israel or to unbelievers, I’d buy a house.
I also don’t fully understand all things that Paul said yet. (I don’t think you do either, despite your claims.)

I'm pretty certain you aren't building an ark getting ready for lots of rain, and I'm pretty confident you understand that some parts of the Bible were addressed to some and not others.

I do know I’ve died to the law, as he speaks about later, and that the law of sin and death has no power over me any more and that I will never die.

How is it that you are dead to the law? How did that happen?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Amen, plain scripture, but unfortunately there are those who are simply blind and deaf to plain scripture.

Ps. 106:30 Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed.
31 And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore.

Killing people in this case also was deemed to be righteous by God. Phinehas' works were righteous.

Plain scripture that you all seem unable to read. Blind and deaf to scriptures indeed. Only selected readings...and misunderstandings will do with this religious crowd.