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LOL....Catholic Peter, Paul and John and all the other Apostles... :Laughingoutloud:

Maybe after you are DEAD and BURIED People will Preach in Mosques, you and all the other Catholics were Muslims. Pfff

Making up LIES is easy for Carnal Minded thinkers....and so easy for a born again spirit to spot!
But difficult for frauds like yourself to disprove – especially in the face of documented evidenced from actual disciples of the Apostles, like Ignatius of Antioch. He was a lilfelong disciple of the Apostles John, who wrote the following:

Ignatius of Antioch

Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Hmmmmm . . .
“Obey your Bishop:
“Obey your clergy”
“the Sole Eucharist”
“The Catholic Church”


Gee – I WONDER which Church he is talking about . . .
 

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But difficult for frauds like yourself to disprove – especially in the face of documented evidenced from actual disciples of the Apostles, like Ignatius of Antioch. He was a lilfelong disciple of the Apostles John, who wrote the following:

Ignatius of Antioch

Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Hmmmmm . . .
“Obey your Bishop:
“Obey your clergy”
“the Sole Eucharist”
“The Catholic Church”


Gee – I WONDER which Church he is talking about . . .

So?
Test, Verify everything. IF AND WHEN a teacher, called by whatever name, Teaches WHAT IS NOT TRUE...you can be IGNORANT and follow along, OR LET GO of what is NOT GOOD, NOT TRUTHFUL!

1 Thes 5:
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Umpteen times you and Marymog have revealed, duh Catholic Church says do whatever they say!
 

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I know a lot of denominational thinking

Most denominations differ in how they worship. Or some according to different doctrines they follow

but the fact is there is only three gospels that every denomination teaches..

the rest of the differences are inconsequential

if they got the right gospel. They are a true church of God

if not. They are to be anathema
Thank God we have you here to show us the way... I need your help to explain so many simple verses... Let"s start here...

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Given... your God given knowedge... What does your superior Human mind say this mean?

OOOPS... Let"s add...

NASB Joh 6:65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."

CEV Joh 6:65 Then Jesus said, "You cannot come to me, unless the Father makes you want to come. That is why I have told these things to all of you."

OMG... Scripture is throwing down...
NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
That's not looking good Grateful...

ESV Rom
What"s Going on...
11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."

Crazy... But not our Jesus... surely not...
NASB Mar 4:11 And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven

Are you really Eternally Gratefull.... I hope so... no matter your jugement on others... Like you... We take the lot we are given... but you
don't understand do you... let me show you...


NASB Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

Net Eph 1:11 In Christ28 we too have been claimed as God's own possession,29(G280) since we were predestined (G4309) according to the one purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to the counsel of his will

29 tn Grk "we were appointed by lot." The notion of the verb κληρόω (klēroō) in the OT was to "appoint a portion by lot" (the more frequent cognate verb κληρονομέω [klēronomeō] meant "obtain a portion by lot"). In the passive, as here, the idea is that "we were appointed [as a portion] by lot" (BDAG 548 s.v. κληρόω 1). The words "God's own" have been supplied in the translation to clarify this sense of the verb. An alternative interpretation is that believers receive a portion as an inheritance: "In Christ we too have been appointed a portion of the inheritance." See H. W. Hoehner, Ephesians, 226-27, for discussion on this interpretive issue.


Oh.... BTY... I don't belong to a denomination... Yet you have over 7000 post... Go figure?
 

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Now THERE’s an "intelligent" response , , ,
Test, Verify everything. IF AND WHEN a teacher, called by whatever name, Teaches WHAT IS NOT TRUE...you can be IGNORANT and follow along, OR LET GO of what is NOT GOOD, NOT TRUTHFUL!

1 Thes 5:
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Umpteen times you and Marymog have revealed, duh Catholic Church says do whatever they say!
OR, you can do what Jesus said and listen to His CHURCH – because to listen to His CHURCH is to listen to HIM (Luke 10:16).
 

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Now THERE’s an "intelligent" response , , ,

OR, you can do what Jesus said and listen to His CHURCH – because to listen to His CHURCH is to listen to HIM (Luke 10:16).

Well of course listen to HIS CHURCH. His Church is Spiritual. No one said otherwise.

When it is MEN claiming a clerics title, They... duh, ARE MEN, test and verify what THEY SAY!

You are projecting the MIND set, uh, uh, uh, IF someone with a CATHOLIC clerics TITLE says Believe this, Do this.....then hop to it, PERIOD.

That is not only naive, but in contrast to Scripture.
 

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Well of course listen to HIS CHURCH. His Church is Spiritual. No one said otherwise.


You are projecting the MIND set, uh, uh, uh, IF someone with a CATHOLIC clerics TITLE says Believe this, Do this.....then hop to it, PERIOD.

That is not only naive, but in contrast to Scripture.
Jesus left MEN to be in charge of His Church - to preach and to teach and to appoint others to to do the same (Matt. 28:19-20, 2 Tim. 2:2).
 

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Thank God we have you here to show us the way... I need your help to explain so many simple verses... Let"s start here...

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Given... your God given knowedge... What does your superior Human mind say this mean?

OOOPS... Let"s add...

NASB Joh 6:65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."

CEV Joh 6:65 Then Jesus said, "You cannot come to me, unless the Father makes you want to come. That is why I have told these things to all of you."

OMG... Scripture is throwing down...
NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
That's not looking good Grateful...

ESV Rom
What"s Going on...
11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."

Crazy... But not our Jesus... surely not...
NASB Mar 4:11 And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven

Are you really Eternally Gratefull.... I hope so... no matter your jugement on others... Like you... We take the lot we are given... but you
don't understand do you... let me show you...


NASB Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

Net Eph 1:11 In Christ28 we too have been claimed as God's own possession,29(G280) since we were predestined (G4309) according to the one purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to the counsel of his will

29 tn Grk "we were appointed by lot." The notion of the verb κληρόω (klēroō) in the OT was to "appoint a portion by lot" (the more frequent cognate verb κληρονομέω [klēronomeō] meant "obtain a portion by lot"). In the passive, as here, the idea is that "we were appointed [as a portion] by lot" (BDAG 548 s.v. κληρόω 1). The words "God's own" have been supplied in the translation to clarify this sense of the verb. An alternative interpretation is that believers receive a portion as an inheritance: "In Christ we too have been appointed a portion of the inheritance." See H. W. Hoehner, Ephesians, 226-27, for discussion on this interpretive issue.


Oh.... BTY... I don't belong to a denomination... Yet you have over 7000 post... Go figure?
You have not only not refuted anything I said about the three gospels.. Your ramble here has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

when your actually ready to discuss what I said. Let me know..
 

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Well of course listen to HIS CHURCH. His Church is Spiritual. No one said otherwise.

When it is MEN claiming a clerics title, They... duh, ARE MEN, test and verify what THEY SAY!

You are projecting the MIND set, uh, uh, uh, IF someone with a CATHOLIC clerics TITLE says Believe this, Do this.....then hop to it, PERIOD.

That is not only naive, but in contrast to Scripture.
Remember this

if your following the word. The word will stand for itself

If you have to make excuses like “my church is the one church, we have the pope. Private interpretation. Apostolic succession etc etc etc.

well then it must men, the word your preaching does not stand on its own. So you need excuses to prove to yourself your right.
 
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The rules… Please remember that the rules state… “Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians. If there is an issue where a member seems to have circumvented the basic tenants of the faith in order to join the community, please privately contact the Christianity Board Team to voice your concern.”

The problem with this thread is that it can easily imply… “That another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.” Hmmm… Is it time to lock this thread up?
 
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Becoming a member of the one true church is as easy as…

8 The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10

From there we must have the Holy Spirit lead us to the church he would have us in.
 

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You have not only not refuted anything I said about the three gospels.. Your ramble here has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

when your actually ready to discuss what I said. Let me know..
Refute? What are you talking about? I said thank God you are here to teach us...

Dude... I'm Eternally Grateful!
 

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Development of Doctrine

Development is how Catholics try to explain away their doctrinal novelties
Christian doctrine was given once and for all, completely developed, by Jesus Christ

Initial reply

Development of doctrine is common to all kinds of Christians; it happened in history with regard to doctrines agreed upon by all, and it is also seen in the Bible.

Extensive reply

The Catholic Church holds that there was one apostolic deposit, given by Jesus Christ to the apostles, and that there has been no essential change in that. The Catholic Church preserves this apostolic deposit (Jude 3), and is the Guardian of it. But, on the other hand, there is a growth in clarity of those truths, and men’s understanding increases. One must keep this distinction in mind when discussing development.

Protestants believe in progressive revelation. Reading Genesis is a lot different from reading, say, John or Colossians. It is obvious that great development of the thought and the theology occurs. As an example, one could analyze the idea of faith or salvation. First, the Bible presents the Abrahamic Covenant, which is basically Abraham believing in God, and this being “reckoned unto him righteousness.” A little later on, we see the notion of the chosen people, which is somewhat like election, or enabling grace from God. In other words, it’s unmerited. God chose them and gave them grace for His purposes. The Law and the commandments were given to preserve this people.

Then God reveals the eternal Davidic Covenant to David, and we slowly see in the Bible a notion of the Messiah, and in Isaiah 53, the “suffering servant” – which predicted Jesus’ Passion. This is all development of doctrine: all the way through the Old Testament, to the gospel being announced, with John the Baptist and Jesus Himself, and even then Jesus said that He came not to “abolish” the Law but to “fulfil” it (Matt. 5:17).

In the Christian era, doctrines continue to develop. The Church especially pondered more deeply the doctrine of Christ in response to heretics; for example, at the council of Chalcedon in 451, which decreed the notion of the Two Natures of Christ or Hypostatic Union: Jesus is both God and Man. That was in response to the Monophysite heresy, which held that Jesus had one nature.
  • Other doctrines which clearly developed were the afterlife,
  • the Holy Spirit,
  • the equality of Jews and Gentiles,
  • bodily resurrection,
  • Christ’s sacrifice as a development of the sacrifice of lambs, etc.
No doctrine emerges in the Bible complete with no further need of development.

Objection


Granted, some doctrines have developed. But Catholics go beyond the Bible when they develop doctrines, such as Mary and purgatory. There is no biblical check on the development, so that it can go off into false teaching and the traditions of men.

Reply to Objection

There is more evidence for acceptance of the doctrine of purgatory in the Church fathers than for original sin (accepted by all Christians). One cannot have it both ways. If purgatory is unacceptable because it developed “late,” then original sin must be rejected with it. Catholics can give plenty of biblical evidences of purgatory. At the time the Marian doctrines were developing, so were things like the canon of Scripture and Christology and the Trinity. If those things could develop many centuries after Christ, why is it objectionable for the Marian doctrines or eucharistic theology to also do so? The Church decided what was a true development and what wasn’t.

The Bible indicates something like development of doctrine, too (Jn. 14:26, 16:13; 1 Cor. 2:9-16; Gal. 4:4; Eph. 1:10; 4:12-16). The Church is called the “Body of Christ” (e.g., Eph. 1:22-23), and is compared to a seed that grows into a tree (Matt. 13:31-32). Seeds and bodies grow and expand. This is development of doctrine.

Within the limits of the Jewish theocracy and Catholic Christianity Augustin admits the idea of historical development or a gradual progress from a lower to higher grades of knowledge, yet always in harmony with Catholic truth. He would not allow revolutions and radical changes or different types of Christianity. (Philip Schaff, Protestant Church historian, Introduction to St. Augustine’s City of God, in the 38-volume set of the Church fathers, edited by himself, December 10, 1886)

How can an unchanging system survive the continual increase of knowledge? . . . Change is not progress unless the core remains unchanged. A small oak grows into a big oak; if it became a beech, that would not be growth, but mere change . . . There is a great difference between counting apples and arriving at the mathematical formulae of modern physics. But the multiplication table is used in both and does not grow out of date. In other words, whenever there is real progress in knowledge, there is some knowledge that is not superseded. Indeed, the very possibility of progress demands that there should be an unchanging element . . . I take it we should all agree to find this . . . in the simple rules of mathematics. I would also add to these the primary principles of morality. And I would also add the fundamental doctrines of Christianity . . . I claim that the positive historical statements made by Christianity have the power, elsewhere found chiefly in formal principles, of receiving, without intrinsic change, the increasing complexity of meaning which increasing knowledge puts into them . . . Like mathematics, religion can grow from within, or decay . . . But, like mathematics, it remains simply itself, capable of being applied to any new theory. (C. S. Lewis, Anglican apologist, God in the Dock, edited by Walter Hooper, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1970, 44-47. From “Dogma and the Universe,” The Guardian, March 19, 1943, 96 / March 26, 1943, 104, 107)

One simply needs to become familiar with Catholic biblical apologetic arguments. The idea of doctrinal development is a key, in any case, for understanding why the Catholic Church often appears on the surface as fundamentally different than the early Church. Thoughtful Protestants owe it to themselves and intellectual honesty to ponder this indispensable notion before lashing out at the allegedly “unbiblical excesses” of Catholicism.
Development of Doctrine: A Corruption of Biblical Teaching?

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But difficult for frauds like yourself to disprove – especially in the face of documented evidenced from actual disciples of the Apostles, like Ignatius of Antioch. He was a lilfelong disciple of the Apostles John, who wrote the following:

Ignatius a lifelong disciple of John the Apostle ? who not once mentioned Ignatius in Scripture?

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Hmmmmm . . .
“Obey your Bishop:
“Obey your clergy”
“the Sole Eucharist”
“The Catholic Church”


Gee – I WONDER which Church he is talking about . . .

Gee - I wonder who verified this mans self-importance....besides his own letters? LOL
 
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The rules… Please remember that the rules state… “Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians. If there is an issue where a member seems to have circumvented the basic tenants of the faith in order to join the community, please privately contact the Christianity Board Team to voice your concern.”

The problem with this thread is that it can easily imply… “That another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.” Hmmm… Is it time to lock this thread up?
The One True Church is essential Truth for us to know, given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ and His chosen Apostles, who under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit penned Scripture for us = again = so that we can know the Truth.

Equally, the Holy Spirit warned us of imposters and to reject and refute their error = 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

TRUTH 101 = the One True Church is not made/erected by men's hands - Acts 7:48-50

However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
Has My hand not made all these things?’

TRUTH 102 = Imposters of the One True Church will label the Members of Christ as heretics and attack with words, governments and stones.

Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.

When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”

Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord; and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
 

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Is a 5 year old "Heartfully MATURE" enough to accept Jesus?
How about a 10 year old?
How about a 15 year old or a 30 year old with the mental capacity of a 7 year old?

Accepting Jesus is one thing.
Confessing that Acceptance is another thing.

What about all the adults who accepted Jesus when they were "heartfully mature" and then years later rejected Jesus?

Anyone can ACCEPT believing in Jesus, and later REJECT believing in Jesus.
Have you NOT learned the umpteen WARNINGS?
Guess not, since you are WONDERING what happens to them.
The WARNINGS Tell you what happens to them.

Were they mature the first time they accepted Jesus? Or years later when they rejected Him? Wouldn't they have been MORE mature years later Taken?
Can you now see how ridiculous your theory is?

It’s not a theory. It’s Scripture teaching the Wise comprehend, and the Unwise call it ridiculous, because they do Not understand.


Jesus said: “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
Taken says: Keep the children from Jesus.

Some people have to LIE, with the hope of making their comment believable.
No, Taken did NOT SAY, keep the children from Jesus.
And WHY, Marymog DID NOT QUOTE Taken making that statement.

Scripture says: Entire households were baptized.
Taken says: Entire households, minus any child who isn't heartfully mature, were baptized.

Some people have to LIE, with the hope of making their comment believable.
No, Taken did NOT SAY, entire households, minus any child who isn’t heartfully mature,were baptized.
And WHY, Marymog did NOT QUOTE Taken making that statement.

The earliest debate in Christian history was how SOON after birth should children be baptized; before 8 days or after 8 days. The earliest Christian records we have from 1,900 years ago say that children were baptized.
Taken has accepted the latest 500 year old teaching of protestant men.

Some people have to LIE, with the hope of making their comment believable.
No, taken did not claim to have accepted the lates 500 year old teaching of Protestant men.
And WHY, Marymog did NOT QUOTE Taken making that statement.

Scripture and your own Christian history show that you and your ilk are wrong.

Marymog, your own GASLIGHTING, shows your dim reflection.

Telling the truth with real with logic, Scripture and Christian history..............Mary

Well observed you rely on your Carnal Mind in an attempt to stuff your False Claims in an others mouth.

Rom 8:7 .....the carnal mind is enmity against God...

Doesn’t impress me either...
 
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Accepting Jesus is one thing.
Confessing that Acceptance is another thing.



Anyone can ACCEPT believing in Jesus, and later REJECT believing in Jesus.
Have you NOT learned the umpteen WARNINGS?
Guess not, since you are WONDERING what happens to them.
The WARNINGS Tell you what happens to them.



It’s not a theory. It’s Scripture teaching the Wise comprehend, and the Unwise call it ridiculous, because they do Not understand.




Some people have to LIE, with the hope of making their comment believable.
No, Taken did NOT SAY, keep the children from Jesus.
And WHY, Marymog DID NOT QUOTE Taken making that statement.



Some people have to LIE, with the hope of making their comment believable.
No, Taken did NOT SAY, entire households, minus any child who isn’t heartfully mature,were baptized.
And WHY, Marymog did NOT QUOTE Taken making that statement.



Some people have to LIE, with the hope of making their comment believable.
No, taken did not claim to have accepted the lates 500 year old teaching of Protestant men.
And WHY, Marymog did NOT QUOTE Taken making that statement.



Marymog, your own GASLIGHTING, shows your dim reflection.



Well observed you rely on your Carnal Mind in an attempt to stuff your False Claims in an others mouth.

Rom 8:7 .....the carnal mind is enmity against God...

Doesn’t impress me either...
when people start falsely accusing other people. it usually means their argument has hit a wall. and they have nothing left.
 
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No, it is not. "RCC" is an inaccurate slur, invented by the Anglicans in the 16th century.

2000 years ago NON-believers established the term...Christian.
1900 years ago Some unmentioned (outside of Scripture) guy decided Believers, he called: “Christians” should be called “Catholics”....

Perhaps some people think the term “Catholic” is a slur.
 

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when people start falsely accusing other people. it usually means their argument has hit a wall. and they have nothing left.

Sure.
“GASLIGHTING” is a usual tactic. Let me SPEAK FOR YOU....then Disagree with What I have SAID FOR YOU... :Laughingoutloud:
And then call that LOGIC... :Laughingoutloud:

It’s not rocket science...Speak for yourself and Know Why.

It’s not rocket science...IF you are going to APPOINT, HIRE, a Church “LEADER”, and BLINDLY Follow that “LEADER”, you are already on the cusp of TROUBLES.

The very Basics of SCIENCE (any field of science) IS Test everything....

God Bless,
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