Romans 6:22

[Michiah-Imla]

yet you expect us to believe that you are sinless, 100% of the time?

Of course not!
But I know full well who’s children you might be:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil” (1 John 3:9-10)

Now go run to your commentary for comfort!

 

[Behold]

Once again, your posts is heavy on ad hominem and extremely short on substance.

You thrive on making statements that you can't prove.
Im not saying that makes you stupid, or ignorant, but it does prove that you are not honest.
It also proves that you are here only to serve strife, and have no other purpose on this forum or on my Thread.

You will however say, " i proved it".

But so far, ive never seen you prove anything except that you substitute water for the Blood Atonement as your Cult has taught you to teach.
That particular deed, is heretical, and anti-cross, and not of God.
You should stop teaching a false gospel.

Now, Let me show you something that your cult will never show you.

Paul said this........"Christ sent me not to WATER BAPTIZE".

See that? Now if water was so important, then Paul would never have said that, as he'd instead be talking about the importance of Water.
Understand?
He never did, never does, and never will.
Why?
Because its the CROSS and not the Water that is God's Salvation.
Baptismal Water only get you wet, nothing more....... but the Blood of Jesus makes you clean before God.
Paul Knew it, and Taught it.
So do I, ......yet you and your cult are not familiar with this Gospel that was Given to Paul by Christ, personally....., because your cult's gospel is the "gospel of water and works".
You've proven that, and you'll do it again, BreadofLife.

And it should be noted that when you address yourself as "BreadofLife" as your Alt, you are not speaking of Jesus the Bread, who came down from heaven, you are talking about the COOKIE that you eat, in the photo, that you believe is the Literal Body of Jesus.
Christ does not believe that your cookie is His body, in the literal sense, yet you've been been deceived into believing that it is....
The readers here might not understand that about you, so, i wanted to help with the clarification., and i know you appreciate it.


You should thoroughly consider that when you deny the Blood Atonement by substituting water as the "gospel", you are literally Anti-Cross and that is serious situation for you and your cult.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.” (Isaiah 34:8-9)

AND ALL THE COMMENTARY BOOKS WILL BE BURNT TO ASHES ALONG WITH ALL THE SINNERS!

 

[mailmandan]

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(NASB-1995)

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, because God’s seed [His principle of life, the essence of His righteous character] remains [permanently] in him [who is born again—who is reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose]; and he [who is born again] cannot habitually [live a life characterized by] sin, because he is born of God and longs to please Him. (AMP)

1 John 1:8 - if we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

1 John 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

If sinless perfection were true there would be no "if."

 

[Michiah-Imla]

And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

I don’t see the word “willfully” attached to “sin” in that passage.

In that case:

“…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

 

[Behold]

Once again, your posts is heavy on ad hominem and extremely short on substance.
Your complete ignorance of Catholic theology is typical for an anti-Catholic – but still pretty embarrassing for a guy who is attempting to debate it.

Now – are you going to show me from the Catechism where the Catholic Church teaches the things you’re claiming or why the Douay-Rhiems is “demonic” – or should I continue to publicly humiliate you with the facts?

Ive shown you all this before.
Perhaps you have a memory issue? But more then likely its just that you need to present your cult's water theology, over and over.
And now you're here doing it.

And the Douay-Rhiems bible is absolutely demonic, hellish, Satanic, and its led you there, also.

Here is a True "fact" for you..
That demonic book is where you and your cult left truth and went with the devil, and stayed., theologically and spiritually.
Its right there in John 3 where that book says......>"Born Again of water, or Born again by water".

Let me post it from the DR Bible "online".

5] Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be = born again of water


Listen up, BreadofLife.

That demonic bible, and that verse from Satan Himself, said you are BORN AGAIN OF = WATER.

And that is a Lie that is a "doctrine of Devil's" and you and your cult teach it, preach it, and love it.

But here is the TRUTH

God said, you are born again by the HOLY SPIRIT.......not by WATER.

Water does not cause you to become born again as DEVIL's teach.

Its the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD that causes the new Birth........not the city water supply.

Got that?
Do you understand that, BreadofLife. ?????

I dont think you ever will as your programming is so deep and for so long that your eyes are eyes wide shut, spiritually speaking, and thats a fact.

So, you might want to think twice before you run back in here ranting your Demonic Gospel of WATER WATER WATER.

That's on you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

If sinless perfection were true there would be no "if."

And are you aware that God can stop you from sinning if your actions spring from the integrity of your heart?

“And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.” (Genesis 20:6)

How much more his children in Christ?

That’s an amazing scripture right there brother!

 

[mailmandan]

I don’t see the word “willfully” attached to “sin” in that passage.

In that case:

“…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

I already covered "willfully sin" in post #15.

Romans 6:22

- The reason you are sinning and confessing is because you don't believe this yet. A.) Roman 6:22 Look at the verse. and notice this.......>"Being made free from sin". And yet, you are sinning and confessing. Why.? And when you understand this, that im going to teach you, you will be...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I already covered "willfully sin" in post #15.

Yes, you COVERED it alright!

In the grave of your doctrine…

 

[Behold]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil” (1 John 3:9-10)

Great verse., I write my post as a Thread, and then go post it so that it has a chance to offer some revelation.
Thx for the inspiration, M-I


Let me teach it here first.,

1.) """"whatever is born of God.""""

See that reader?
That is not your body, or your mind......that is your SPIRIT.
Your body is "dead because of sin" and your "mind" has to be "renewed".
Neither are ever born again.
Never.
Its only your spirit that is Born again.

So,.... its your Spirit, that is born of God, as a "new creation", "ONE with God". "In Christ'".
And there is no sin found there...

But you might have issues with your flesh, in your mind and in your desires, down here...... but that is not the same as being a saved sinner.
There is no such thing. There is only a sinner or they have been born again as a SAINT, heir of God, Joint heir with Christ.
Thats not a "sinner".
So.....The problem regarding understanding, for many bible students, is lack of one revelation. Just 1.
Its this...... When you think of yourself only as your body and your mind and your deeds, then you are NOT seeing yourself as God sees you (if you are born again).... as He only sees you as the "new Creation". "in Christ".. "made Righteous".
And that NEW Creation is "in Christ", 'made righteous", "having eternal life", is "seated in Heavenly places" right now, as born again.
The real you, is the born again Spirit...as that is what God has birthed as His Son/Daughter.
The real you is not your body, and you'll get a new eternal one that will match your eternal born again Spirit.

When you can't see this, or understand it yet, then you will think of a "christian" as the person you are looking at, who is setting next to you in Church.
But that is only their BODY.
The real CHRISTIAN, is that born again Spirit, that you can't see, that is SINLESS and is become "one with God"..

Next.....

""""because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil” (1 John 3:9-10)

2.) The verse says, the difference between the Children of God and the Devil's children is..

A.) God's children are BORN AGAIN, and that is the proof they are GOD's.
B.) The Devil's children are not, and that is why they are his.

See it?

Simple to understand, once you see it.....once you are taught it correctly.

So, this verse is showing that humans can have 2 Spiritual Fathers.

The unbeliever's Father is the DEVIL. See those unsaved Jews in Hebrews 10:26, as they decided to continue belonging to the Devil, by rejecting their Messiah.
This is why Jesus said earlier regarding these unbelievers..>" You are of YOUR FATHER, the DEVIL".

And then Jesus said......To have MY FATHER as yours......"You must be born again".

See that?

That simply means that when you are born again, you change FATHER'S.
And you end up with God, after you die., as He has become your HEAVENLY Father.
So, you end up with Him, and in fact you are already there, "having been Translated from Darkness to Light", and are now "one with God".

If you are never born again, then you die with the DEVIL as your Father, and you'll end up with your Father the Devil, after you die.
And that place , Reader, is not in Heaven.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I already covered "willfully sin"

Not with a covering of God’s spirit:

“Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin” (Isaiah 30:1)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Great verse., I write my post as a Thread, and then go post it so that it has a chance to offer some revelation.
Thx for the inspiration, M-I


Let me teach it here first.,

1.) """"whatever is born of God.""""

See that reader?
That is not your body, or your mind......that is your SPIRIT.
Your body is "dead because of sin" and your "mind" has to be "renewed".
Neither are ever born again.
Never.
Its only your spirit that is Born again.

So,.... its your Spirit, that is born of God, as a "new creation", "ONE with God". "In Christ'".
And there is no sin found there...

But you might have issues with your flesh, in your mind and in your desires, down here...... but that is not the same as being a saved sinner.
There is no such thing. There is only a sinner or they have been born again as a SAINT, heir of God, Joint heir with Christ.
Thats not a "sinner".
So.....The problem regarding understanding, for many bible students, is lack of one revelation. Just 1.
Its this...... When you think of yourself only as your body and your mind and your deeds, then you are NOT seeing yourself as God sees you (if you are born again).... as He only sees you as the "new Creation". "in Christ".. "made Righteous".
And that NEW Creation is "in Christ", 'made righteous", "having eternal life", is "seated in Heavenly places" right now, as born again.
The real you, is the born again Spirit...as that is what God has birthed as His Son/Daughter.
The real you is not your body, and you'll get a new eternal one that will match your eternal born again Spirit.

When you can't see this, or understand it yet, then you will think of a "christian" as the person you are looking at, who is setting next to you in Church.
But that is only their BODY.
The real CHRISTIAN, is that born again Spirit, that you can't see, that is SINLESS and is become "one with God"..

Next.....

""""because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil” (1 John 3:9-10)

2.) The verse says, the difference between the Children of God and the Devil's children is..

A.) God's children are BORN AGAIN, and that is the proof they are GOD's.
B.) The Devil's children are not, and that is why they are his.

See it?

Simple to understand, once you see it.....once you are taught it correctly.

So, this verse is showing that humans can have 2 Spiritual Fathers.

The unbeliever's Father is the DEVIL. See those unsaved Jews in Hebrews 10:26, as they decided to continue belonging to the Devil, by rejecting their Messiah.
This is why Jesus said earlier regarding these unbelievers..>" You are of YOUR FATHER, the DEVIL".

And then Jesus said......To have MY FATHER as yours......"You must be born again".

See that?

That simply means that when you are born again, you change FATHER'S.
And you end up with God, after you die., as He has become your HEAVENLY Father.
So, you end up with Him, and in fact you are already there, "having been Translated from Darkness to Light", and are now "one with God".

If you are never born again, then you die with the DEVIL as your Father, and you'll end up with your Father the Devil, after you die.
And that place , Reader, is not in Heaven.

“…a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.” (Ecclesiastes 5:3)

Be short and concise.

Learn from the scriptures and you won’t expose yourself so often…

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, you COVERED it alright!

In the grave of your doctrine…

Typical troll response. Once again, you need to find a better hobby.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Typical troll response. Once again, you need to find a better hobby.

Projection must be true…

Call your enemies what you yourself are doing when you have no valid rebuttal.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don’t see the word “willfully” attached to “sin” in that passage.

In that case:

“…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

lol.

so your sin is just oopsies. not willful?

Do you know which sin Gods hates the most? Pride

what do you think God thinks about willfull pride?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you know which sin Gods hates the most? Pride

But if ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is true, then what’s your beef?

I could be proud all I want and still be saved!

I could lie all I want and still be saved!

Do you see it yet?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hebrews 10:14

For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Please notice

we are perfected forever (positional sanctification)

while also in the process off being sanctified (positional sanctification or spiritual maturity)

If one thinks they are without sin, they are decieved plain and simple , And this is not from me, this is from the apostle John

 

[mailmandan]

Projection must be true…

Call your enemies what you yourself are doing when you have no valid rebuttal.

Another typical troll response. You have no valid rebuttal for post #15. Your childish behavior and childish emojis and hypocrisy have reached the point of nauseum.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But if ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is true, then what’s your beef?

I could be proud all I want and still be saved!

I could lie all I want and still be saved!

Do you see it yet?

this aint about OSAS,. this is about the pride of thinking your perfect and have no sin.

 

[Johann]

And another admonition from a commentary book to thwart the word of God posted by a commentary book idolater…

You are not going to stop me from using whatever means brother, I stand for truth, as revealed in Scriptures.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.


Timothy must be diligent in his labors so as not to be ashamed because of any impurity or
disorderliness. Rightly dividing the word of truth is imagery taken from either the temple priests who
had to divide the sacrificial animals according to the Mosaic precepts or from a steward of a household,
called to divide the food and allocate to every member of the household his fitting portion.

2:16–18 vain babblings. Empty words that have no spiritual content though proclaimed loudly, and
serve no other purpose than to cause confusion, leading unstable people away from the faith. canker.


Gangrene, a devastating infection unless it is thoroughly rooted out.
2:19–21 sure. Firm. meet. Suitable. In spite of people being deceived by false teachers, God’s firm
foundation of His immutable election to salvation remains sure. The seal is a reference to the book of
life (Rev. 20:12; 22:10) showing that God knows His own. They will be saved, but this salvation will be
manifested in the way of their abstaining from iniquity. The illustration is used of a great house
containing precious vessels, as well as vessels for daily use. The visible church of Christ contains the
elect children of God as well as the reprobate, who lack true saving faith.


Believers are to purge
themselves of iniquity, and then it will be apparent that they belong to the elect children of God and are
prepared to perform every good work the Lord calls them to do (Eph. 2:10).
2:22 charity. Love.
2:23 gender. Produce.
2:25–26 peradventure. Perhaps. God Himself needs to lead sinners to repentance and to awaken them
from their deception, as Satan keeps men in bondage to do his will.


Thoughts for Personal/Family Worship: Chapter 2
1. Paul encourages Timothy in v. 3 to endure difficulty as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. To some
extent hardships and difficulties will be the share of all who are called to be a witness of the Lord

Jesus Christ. Timothy, as a minister of the gospel, had to reckon with these hardships and not be
surprised when they occur. Likewise now all office bearers must count on hardships in their official
work. But also God’s children, as they are called to be witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ, must
reckon with scorn, tribulation, and other hardships as they witness from the Word of God.

2. Timothy must strive lawfully (v. 5). What does this mean? An office bearer should be honest and
upright. He may not be proud or strive for glory from men. He should not be discouraged by
hardships. He should not waste his energy. He should not consider himself to be indispensable. He
should be willing to share the work with others and not promote himself. He must submit himself
to proper church oversight, especially regarding the preaching of God’s Word. He must show
willingness to learn from others.

3. In v. 25 the purpose of all pastoral work toward those that oppose the gospel is stated. The word
used there in the original is stronger than repentance. It is conversion, which implies a total change
in mental and moral outlook on life. It leads to a radical change of one’s attitude and conduct. Such
change is not the fruit of man’s persuasion but is always worked by God’s Spirit, as a gift of God.
Let us be humble when we know this change of life. Let our need for conversion drive us to hope
in the Lord. Be careful not to grieve God’s Spirit but in humility expect His working in your life.

I want to remain teachable and humble, even if I want to react to you slanderous comments about me, I choose to stay on the highway of holiness, my eternal life in Christ is most precious.

You have a blessed day.
J.