Abortion

[Taken]

Okay, but you were addressing when the life of a person is first that person's life as it pertains to abortion, which is at the point of natural birth and the common definition of when life begins. Were you not?

A PERSON consists of a BODY and SOUL.

Do you think a fetus in the Processing of FORMING, IS a Form-ed body, with a soul?

Life begins at CONCEPTION, in the Fallopian tube.
A Person begins Life, when it is born, separated from its dependent life source, (mothers blood), and is an individual sustained by it’s own life source (body, blood, and Gods Living soul, entered INTO the body).

 

[ScottA]

A PERSON consists of a BODY and SOUL.

Do you think a fetus in the Processing of FORMING, IS a Form-ed body, with a soul?

Life begins at CONCEPTION, in the Fallopian tube.
A Person begins Life, when it is born, separated from its dependent life source, (mothers blood), and is an individual sustained by it’s own life source (body, blood, and Gods Living soul, entered INTO the body).

Many things (including this topic) are confused by our perspective through the lens of, and the assumption of time. Which perspective and clarification cannot be fully understood without addressing the error of such an assumption.

It is rather the conception in God that is the matter here, and not that of lowly men or woman and their children merely conceived in His likeness. For it is only a likeness--a likeness on the level of dust. The rightful conception that brings life then, being in God, does not actually "form." In His reality, just as He is "I am" in whom is no passing of time, we too are made alive in Him by His conception...which then is only drawn out in the would-be "image" that has been presented to us, again, on the lowly and elementary level of dust. And much is lost in translation.

So no, at no point in the would-be "forming" of the body or soul of mankind is there any time they are not fully them and rather prematurely not them. If we are speaking of things pertaining to God and His children, those are the terms. Meanwhile, partial sight and understanding, has been the cause of partial blindness and misunderstanding.

Nonetheless, we have the promise of all truth.

 

[Stan B]

A PERSON consists of a BODY and SOUL.

Do you think a fetus in the Processing of FORMING, IS a Form-ed body, with a soul?

Life begins at CONCEPTION, in the Fallopian tube.
A Person begins Life, when it is born, separated from its dependent life source, (mothers blood), and is an individual sustained by it’s own life source (body, blood, and Gods Living soul, entered INTO the body).

In reading the various arguments on this subject, it has become apparent to me, that on one side are those who have actually read the Bible and understand it. On the other side, opposing Scripture and abortion, are those who bow to and subcribe to satanic pagan cult: "The Queen of Heaven". This cult existed hundreds before years before Christ.

“As for you, do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you. Do you not see what they are doing . . . ? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make (round) cakes for the Queen of Heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me. Do they spite Me?” declares the Lord. “Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame?” Therefore thus says the Lord God, “Behold, My anger and My wrath will be poured out on this place . . . burn and not be quenched.” Jeremiah 7:16-18

They are SO evil, that God tells Jeremiah to not even pray for them!
Their holy symbol, the round cake, is a fake communion breaking of bread, replacing it with the round wafer, the emblem of Tamuz their Sun God. I've even seen the Tamuz round cakes promoted on avatars.

The entire issue here seems to be nothing more profound than the Bible vs Paganism; God vs Satan.

 

[Jack]

However – if you ARE a Christian, they you CANNOT lend your support to a sinful decision. This makes YOU a participant in the i\sin.

Your are absolutely right!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Show where I have said that I approve of abortion unless medically necessary?

This is where you an others keep taking what I say and not actually conveying what I mean in your effort to say that I am wrong.

I allow for people to make a choice. I have repeatedly said I do not approve of abortion unless medically necessary.

Now, show where I have approved of abortion other than for medical reasons.

You speak in complete nonsense.

“If somebody wants to murder their baby – that’s “okay “with me!
However – I’m AGAINST abortion!”

You are a living, breathing contradiction . . .

 

[Jack]

In reading the various arguments on this subject, it has become apparent to me, that on one side are those who have actually read the Bible and understand it. On the other side, opposing Scripture and abortion, are those who bow to and subcribe to satanic pagan cult: "The Queen of Heaven". This cult existed hundreds before years before Christ.

“As for you, do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you. Do you not see what they are doing . . . ? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make (round) cakes for the Queen of Heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me. Do they spite Me?” declares the Lord. “Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame?” Therefore thus says the Lord God, “Behold, My anger and My wrath will be poured out on this place . . . burn and not be quenched.” Jeremiah 7:16-18

They are SO evil, that God tells Jeremiah to not even pray for them!
Their holy symbol, the round cake, is a fake communion breaking of bread, replacing it with the round wafer, the emblem of Tamuz their Sun God. I've even seen the Tamuz round cakes promoted on avatars.

The entire issue here seems to be nothing more profound than the Bible vs Paganism; God vs Satan.

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You have given ZERO proof for killing the helpless unborn. The unborn are not dead! You know nothing about the fruit of the womb. It moves and pokes the mommy for weeks. It is very much a living being. It is not dead!

 

[BreadOfLife]

In reading the various arguments on this subject, it has become apparent to me, that on one side are those who have actually read the Bible and understand it. On the other side, opposing Scripture and abortion, are those who bow to and subcribe to satanic pagan cult: "The Queen of Heaven". This cult existed hundreds before years before Christ.

“As for you, do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you. Do you not see what they are doing . . . ? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make (round) cakes for the Queen of Heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me. Do they spite Me?” declares the Lord. “Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame?” Therefore thus says the Lord God, “Behold, My anger and My wrath will be poured out on this place . . . burn and not be quenched.” Jeremiah 7:16-18

They are SO evil, that God tells Jeremiah to not even pray for them!
Their holy symbol, the round cake, is a fake communion breaking of bread, replacing it with the round wafer, the emblem of Tamuz their Sun God. I've even seen the Tamuz round cakes promoted on avatars.

The entire issue here seems to be nothing more profound than the Bible vs Paganism; God vs Satan.

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Sounds like YOU’VE been reading too many Jack Chick comic books inspired by Alexander Hislop’s heavily-debunked scck classic, “The Two Babylons”.

I’m NOT surprised that a person as angry and ignorant as yourself would be sucked in by this nonsense. Perhaps you – and every other rube who bought into this should read “The Babylon Connection?” by Ralph Woodrow, as former student of Hislop’s work.

After writing a follow-up book to Hislop’s original nonsense, called “Babylon Mystery Religion”, Woodrow did some ACTUAL RESEARCH for a follow—up book. What he discovered shook him to his very foundations:
Hislop had simply MADE UP and INVENTED most of this garbage and attributed it to the Catholic Church.

In other words – Hislop was just another ignorant anti-Catholic – like YOU . . .

Woodrow now runs a website APOLOGIZING for his earlier book and WARNS people about Hislop.
Apparently, YOU didn't get the meno . . .

“Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him”
- Obi Wan Kenobi, Star Wars

 

[Jack]

In reading the various arguments on this subject, it has become apparent to me, that on one side are those who have actually read the Bible and understand it. On the other side, opposing Scripture and abortion, are those who bow to and subcribe to satanic pagan cult: "The Queen of Heaven". This cult existed hundreds before years before Christ.

“As for you, do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you. Do you not see what they are doing . . . ? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make (round) cakes for the Queen of Heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me. Do they spite Me?” declares the Lord. “Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame?” Therefore thus says the Lord God, “Behold, My anger and My wrath will be poured out on this place . . . burn and not be quenched.” Jeremiah 7:16-18

They are SO evil, that God tells Jeremiah to not even pray for them!
Their holy symbol, the round cake, is a fake communion breaking of bread, replacing it with the round wafer, the emblem of Tamuz their Sun God. I've even seen the Tamuz round cakes promoted on avatars.

The entire issue here seems to be nothing more profound than the Bible vs Paganism; God vs Satan.

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Do you also support partial birth abortion Stan?

 

[Naomanos]

You speak in complete nonsense.

“If somebody wants to murder their baby – that’s “okay “with me!
However – I’m AGAINST abortion!”

You are a living, breathing contradiction . . .

It isn't my fault you aren't comprehending what I am saying. What I am saying isn't complete nonsense.

You however keep misconstruing my words to make me the bag guy. Thankfully, those who aren't vocal will read these posts and will be able to see what I am saying and realize that I do not support abortion unless it is medically necessary. I support allowing people to make a choice. I have said this countless times within this thread.

Maybe this will help. Choice = my support. Abortion = I do not support it unless medically necessary.

Was that in simple enough terms for you?

 

[Jack]

I would guess that 99.9 % of abortions are for birth control by promiscuous people. Not a good percent to be supporting on Judgment Day. That's a LOT of murders of innocents who can't complain about being murdered. Did I mention that extreme LEFT Dems love abortion $$$? Planned Parenthood donated $50 MILLION to the Dems in one year!

 

[BreadOfLife]

It isn't my fault you aren't comprehending what I am saying. What I am saying isn't complete nonsense.

You however keep misconstruing my words to make me the bag guy. Thankfully, those who aren't vocal will read these posts and will be able to see what I am saying and realize that I do not support abortion unless it is medically necessary. I support allowing people to make a choice. I have said this countless times within this thread.

Maybe this will help. Choice = my support. Abortion = I do not support it unless medically necessary.

Was that in simple enough terms for you?

Do you support MY choice to murder anybody I want - for whatever reason?

If you say “No” - you’re a hypocrite, because you support the choice of a child-murderer.
If you say “Yes”, you are a moral relativist, because truth is subjective to you.

 

[Jack]

Do you support MY choice to murder anybody I want - for whatever reason?

If you say “No” - you’re a hypocrite, because you support the choice of a child-murderer.
If you say “Yes”, you are a moral relativist, because truth is subjective to you.

You are a brave soldier of Jesus Christ fighting for the lives of helpless unborn babies who cannot yet speak for themselves! I look forward to meeting you in God's eternal Kingdom!

 

[Naomanos]

Do you support MY choice to murder anybody I want - for whatever reason?

If you say “No” - you’re a hypocrite, because you support the choice of a child-murderer.
If you say “Yes”, you are a moral relativist, because truth is subjective to you.

I support anyone to make any choice they want. I have even said that if the choice is a bad one they will also face the consequences. If you kill me, then you will end up in jail or on death row and that is the consequence of your choice. If someone chooses abortion for a non-medical reason, that would be a sin and they will have the consequences of their choice.

How many more times do I need to say I do not support abortion unless medically necessary? I support people making a choice, whether good or bad. I support the word choice. You choose to sin or not sin each and every day, I support your ability to choose.

You still do not comprehend what I am saying and it shows. Until you actually comprehend what I am saying to you and can prove it without misconstruing what I say, my conversation is at an end with you.

 

[Jack]

I support anyone to make any choice they want.

Seriously??? Do you also support partial birth abortion?

 

[Naomanos]

Seriously??? Do you also support partial birth abortion?

Only if it is to save the life of the mother.

 

[Jack]

Only if it is to save the life of the mother.

You voted for Biden, right?

 

[Naomanos]

You're a Dem, right?

I am a moderate that leans Democrat.

 

[Jack]

I am a moderate that leans Democrat.

Dems who get RICH from abortions!

 

[Naomanos]

Dems who get RICH from abortions!

I am far from being rich and get nothing from others having abortions.

 

[Jack]

I am far from being rich and get nothing from others having abortions.

Did you know Planned Parenthood donated $50 MILLION to the Dem Party one election year? You are supporting ALL abortions! Did you vote for Biden?