Evolution or Creation? Vote now!

[Naomanos]

I am currently the lone vote for evolution. I am voting, but not going to debate this. Whichever way you believe, evolution or creationism has no bearing on your salvation.

 

[GEN2REV]

I am currently the lone vote for evolution. I am voting, but not going to debate this. Whichever way you believe, evolution or creationism has no bearing on your salvation.

Thank you for the vote, Nao.

You are not the only vote for Evolution, by far.

All the others who agree with you are just choosing to boycott the vote because they believe it harms me, or my efforts here, in some way.

I am very harmed and all my best efforts are dashed to bits.

Not debating, but it actually does affect one's Salvation if they believe wrong about this topic.

If you embrace Creation, you are making the Almighty Creator your God and exalting HIM above all else.

If you embrace Evolution, you are making man your god and exalting science above all else. Science doesn't support very much of God's Word, ya know. So if you choose to believe in science, over the Bible, you are denying the Truth of God and His Word and siding with man's explanations and inventions in stark opposition to God's.

God bless.

 

[Naomanos]

All the others who agree with you are just choosing to boycott the vote because they believe it harms me, or my efforts here, in some way.

That is on them.

Not debating, but it actually does affect one's Salvation if they believe wrong about this topic.

If you embrace Creation, you are making the Almighty Creator your God and exalting HIM above all else.

If you embrace Evolution, you are making man your god and exalting science above all else. Science doesn't support very much of God's Word, ya know. So if you choose to believe in science, over the Bible, you are denying the Truth of God and His Word and siding with man's explanations and inventions in stark opposition to God's.

Thank you for your opinion. I do not agree with it. I am not making man my God. I believe in evolutionary creation.

It does not affect my belief that Jesus, God incarnate, was crucified and raised on the third day. It does not destroy my belief in God at all.

The above is not me debating, but rather me explaining my position. I will go no further than the above. I have faith that my salvation is secured.

 

[GEN2REV]

That is on them.



Thank you for your opinion. I do not agree with it. I am not making man my God. I believe in evolutionary creation.

It does not affect my belief that Jesus, God incarnate, was crucified and raised on the third day. It does not destroy my belief in God at all.

The above is not me debating, but rather me explaining my position. I will go no further than the above. I have faith that my salvation is secured.

And blessings to you, of course.

I have no intent to argue and you certainly have the most important thing correct in that Jesus is God. Praise the LORD.

I guess I'm just trying to convey that the belief in evolution erodes faith due to its reliance on science which is very anti-Bible. That's all.

God bless.

 

[Naomanos]

I guess I'm just trying to convey that the belief in evolution erodes faith due to its reliance on science which is very anti-Bible. That's all.

I have been a Christian for many many years now. I have believed in evolution all this time and my faith has not wavered because of that belief.

I hope that puts your mind at ease.

 

[Enoch111]

The 6,000 years comes from James Ussher. He traced the creation to 4004 BC.

Ussher was not off by a whole lot. Other chronologers have worked on this since Ussher. See Martin Anstey's Chronology of the Old Testament (which includes NT chronology also). He uses the creation of Adam as the start of "the year of man" (Anno Hominis or AH). And he meticulously accounts for all the time periods strictly using the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament. The Septuagint corrupted the genealogies.

 

[Grailhunter]

Can you vote?

LOL Nope. No opinion for evolution by God's design.

 

[GEN2REV]

LOL Nope. No opinion for evolution by God's design.

Yep, it was actually included in the intro OP to this survey thread that is about choosing one of the options or moving along.

For the purposes of this survey, if you believe all animals were Created, but then Evolution into new species ensued, you will vote Evolution.

 

[Taken]

Evolution or Creation? Vote now!​

OP ^

God CREATED “kinds” of things.
God MADE “some kinds” of things, “Cognitively THINKING CREATURES”.
God MADE “all kinds” of things, “Reactive to the elements of their HABITAT”.

“THINKING “kinds” of CREATURES” ...
hear, see, touch, taste, smell, feel touch, GAIN KNOWLEDGE, and REACT to their “HABITAT surroundings” :
* VIA LOGICAL mindful thinking deduction/conclusions (per choices of this or that)
AND / OR
* VIA INSTINCTUAL deduction/conclusions (per fear / pain)

“NON THINKING “kinds” CREATIONS” “that which are NOT CREATURES” ... react solely to the conditions of their HABITAT.

The PARAMOUNT knowledge IS....

“ONE KIND of thing NEVER BECOMES ANOTHER KIND of thing.”
“ONE KIND of thing “CAN evolve WITHIN it own KIND of thing: “maintaining” it’s existence of its OWN KIND of thing”.

A “SPIRIT Creature”, A “MAN Creature”, An “ANIMAL Creature”, WILL ALWAYS BE it’s categorical “KIND” of thing.

The “Created Heavens, Created Earth, Created Plants”, WILL ALWAYS BE it’s categorical “KIND” of thing.

Man-KIND never becomes an ANIMAL-KIND of thing.
ANIMAL-KIND never becomes a MAN-KIND of thing.

Historically MEN have observed and studied the ANATOMY of a MAN-KIND of thing...wonderings, speculations, researches, reports, guessing, variety of conclusions....
** valid THEORIES...Visible to a mans EYE...man-KIND evolves MAINTAINING it SAME-KIND of thing.
** invalid THEORIES...Invisible to mans EYE...man-KIND (supposedly BECAUSE A MAN SAID SO) evolved from ANOTHER-KIND of thing. “A SINGLE mysterious CELL evolved INTO all Spirit, Plant, Animal, Man......KINDS of things”. (PROOF? A man said so, other men agreed and repeated saying so.)

 

[Phoneman777]

I have been a Christian for many many years now. I have believed in evolution all this time and my faith has not wavered because of that belief.

I hope that puts your mind at ease

So, you agree with the pope that the first 11 chapters of Genesis are mythology? If so, what made you choose evolution over the plain Word of God?

 

[Naomanos]

So, you agree with the pope that the first 11 chapters of Genesis are mythology? If so, what made you choose evolution over the plain Word of God?

Did I say that I think it's mythology or thatbI agree with the pope?

I believe God got the ball rolling and allowed evolution to happen. I believe that what was written was written in a way that those writing it then and hearing it then without the benefit of having the science we do today could understand it.

As I said, whether I believe in evolution or not has no bearing on my belief in the risen Christ and that he died for our sins. It does not affect salvation.

 

[Phoneman777]

Did I say that I think it's mythology or thatbI agree with the pope?

Post #25, the post to which I responded, never said either way...that's why I asked.

I believe God got the ball rolling and allowed evolution to happen. I believe that what was written was written in a way that those writing it then and hearing it then without the benefit of having the science we do today could understand it.

You do realize that "the science of today" disproves evolution and establishes Creation, yes? I've been studying this issue for 20 years and assure you that's the case. In 2008, I transfered into a department where the Christians there were intimidated by an outspoken atheist who ridiculed Christians and the Bible...until day after day I began picking apart his "proof" and cornering him with questions and arguments he couldn't answer, until one day he decided to keep his big mouth shut. We actually became friends.

As I said, whether I believe in evolution or not has no bearing on my belief in the risen Christ and that he died for our sins. It does not affect salvation.

The issue absolutely has salvific implications. The last warning message before Jesus comes for us in Revelation 14 has a command that we "worship Him Who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the fountains of waters" not "Him Who got the evolutionary Life Lottery ball cage rolling".

 

[Naomanos]

Post #25, the post to which I responded, never said either way...that's why I asked.

Fair enough.

You do realize that "the science of today" disproves evolution and establishes Creation, yes? I've been studying this issue for 20 years and assure you that's the case. In 2008, I transfered into a department where the Christians there were intimidated by an outspoken atheist who ridiculed Christians and the Bible...until day after day I began picking apart his "proof" and cornering him with questions and arguments he couldn't answer, until one day he decided to keep his big mouth shut. We actually became friends.

That is not how I understand it. I still believe in evolution. Right now I have seen no evidence to change my mind.

The issue absolutely has salvific implications. The last warning message before Jesus comes for us in Revelation 14 has a command that we "worship Him Who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the fountains of waters" not "Him Who got the evolutionary Life Lottery ball cage rolling".

I don't worship anyone but God/Jesus. I don't worship evolution or the man who came up with the idea. It is what I believe above.

It really is not a salvation issue and I will qualify this statement with not a salvation issue for me. My salvation is found in Jesus and only Jesus.

 

[-Phil]

Creation is the screen appearing as the movie; evolution is the movie.

 

[face2face]

If you embrace Creation, you are making the Almighty Creator your God and exalting HIM above all else.

If you embrace Evolution, you are making man your god and exalting science above all else. Science doesn't support very much of God's Word, ya know. So if you choose to believe in science, over the Bible, you are denying the Truth of God and His Word and siding with man's explanations and inventions in stark opposition to God's.

God bless.

You do carry on like a pork chop!
Ultimately everything has a Prime Mover; a force which creates and shapes life - Theistic Evolution (or if you prefer Evolutionary Creationism) is the only logical way to consolidate God's Word and Science.
Any attempt to prove instantaneous creation is foolishness with the evidence at hand today!
F2F

 

[amigo de christo]

Creation all the way . Evolution YA FIRED take ya bags and get out , ya got no place in the churches .
Yall can rest now , I FIRED EVOLUTION . Now lift those hands up and praise the LORD .
Evolution , YA FIRED .

 

[Phoneman777]

That is not how I understand it. I still believe in evolution. Right now I have seen no evidence to change my mind.

I believe you. What you say is more than understandable. Evolution is served up every meal in the worlds of academia, entertainment, literature, museums, and for years in churches. Frankly, it's a false theory used to deny the validity of Scripture and used by Satan to continuously send countless people to a Christless grave.

Ever noticed it's extremely rare to find a debate between Creation scientists and evolutionary scientists? Most debates are between a science guy/gal and a well meaning yet unqualified theologian. When you do find a legit debate, it's moderated by a full on evolutionist, like MSNBC's Dan Abrams who stomped all over Stephen Meyer when he tried to debate Eugenie Scott. The reason is that a Biblical scientist will destroy any evolutionary scientist on the public stage, and they know it. Remember the famous "no show" by Richard Dawkins? The only hope we have is to go search out the information ourselves.

Wouldn't it be great if Creation science could be presented by a former evolutionist, perhaps an atheist professor who hated God and was well acquainted with all aspects of evolutionary sciences. Someone who perhaps taught for decades graduate and post-graduate college students evolutionary genetics, biochemistry, zoology, etc., as well as having a background in cosmology, geology, and more. If only there was someone out there who could be a "one-man debate", giving both side a fair shake and emphatically insisting his wish was not to indoctrinate, but to present both sides fairly so that the audience could make a choice for themselves.











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[amigo de christo]

Evolutoin ............yoo hoo , YA FIRED . It has no place within the church .

 

[amigo de christo]

nor does sigmund fraud and physcologies . Beware lest any man spoil you through philosphies .
Learn the bible and feast upon every word of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now lets see if it can be excommunicated and replaced with THE BIBLE . GOT MY VOTE . OUT with evolution
IN with THE BIBLE .