What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

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Re: What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

• Col 2:9 . . It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells
bodily.

The Greek word for "divine quality" is theóteetos which means: divinity

Seeing as how theóteetos is modified by the Greek definite article "teés"
then what we're looking at here in Col 2:9 isn't nondescript divinity, but
rather the divinity. In other words: we're looking at all the fullness of
Jehovah's divinity. So then Christ's divine quality isn't that of a tin God,
it's the real McCoy.

FAQ: So what?

REPLY: One of Jehovah's attributes is reliability. Well; if Jehovah's
reliability dwells in Christ, then it's 100% safe for his sheep to depend
upon him to make good on his promises, for example:

• John 10:9 . . I am the door; whoever enters through me will be saved,

• John 10:28-29 . .[My sheep] will by no means ever be destroyed, and no
one will snatch them out of my hand.
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[Wrangler]

Only a God-man could have done it

What verse says this?

 

[GEN2REV]

What verse says this?

Had to be a flesh man. (Hebrews 2:14)

Since a flesh man wasn't capable (1 John 1:8), it had to be God as a man.

You see, readers? That ol' crafty devil thought He had God cornered; he thought he had Him whooped.

Ohhhh, but God wasn't done yet. He had something verrry tricky up His sleeve.

That's right. He knew from before the world was that He would be put into this jam and He knew what He would have to do to save His beloved Creation.

And that is exactly what He did.

 

[Matthias]

GodMan. Gk. theanthropos. Occurrences in scripture - 0.

Why?

The NT writers didn’t have anything to say about a GodMan. They didn’t know anything about a GodMan. They didn’t believe in a GodMan.

The NT writers had much to say about a sinless man. They knew about a sinless man. They believed in a sinless man.

All that is required is that Jesus be a sinless man. Gk. anthropos.

There’s no such thing as a sinless man?

Adam was a sinless man, before he was a sinful man. All men are sinless, until they sin.

There is such a thing as a sinless man who never sinned.

His name is Jesus of Nazareth. He is the Messiah, the Son of the living God. All NT writers identified him as anthropos.

So where does theanthropos come from?

The person. Origen.

The institution. The Church.

 

[Peterlag]

Sperm is physical, material, earthly, flesh, human.

Are you really not getting this?

I said something like sperm. And you wrote back sperm. You're spinning and twisting.

 

[Peterlag]

LOL. If that were true, you would have posted it. Again, to avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

It's there. I keep telling you, but you don't want to accept it. Here I will give you the verse.

1 Peter 5:26
The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

 

[Taken]

Why is not a different question. It's the same if I ask you what benefit is there for you to drink water or if I ask why do you thing water. I'm looking for what is the result of having Jesus to be God. What does a God in human form produce? Nobody on here can answer the question. What they all say is I answered that already or because the Bible said he's God. But nobody can tell me what Jesus as God achieved from being here.

God appearing IN the FLESH ALLOWED People Face to Face Contact.
Already covered mans DISTRUST of BELIEVING WHAT they can not SEE. (In the OT, God called them rebellious and stiffnecked.)

It ALSO ALLOWED man TO BE ASSURED of receiving Salvation BEFORE their PHYSICAL DEATH.

Are you AWARE FEW SHALL Be SAVED?
Are you AWARE “RECEIPT” of Salvation IS AFTER a mans DEATH?
Are you AWARE “Believing men” WITHOUT “ASSURANCE” of Salvation, Have to HOPE “By their own Ability”, to NOT be Tricked and Fooled BY, influence of Evil Spirits AND Wicked men (which ARE the Majority IN the World)...That such Believing men CONTINUE BELIEVING to the DAY of their Death: to Receive Salvation?

It is every mans OPTION, to BE ASSURED Receipt of Gods Gift of Salvation BEFORE physical death.
OR Wait and Hope he can outsmart Evil spirits and Wicked men.
(And not to forget, many Wicked men SIT in SEATS of Governing and Political influential Power.)

 

[Wrangler]

It's there. I keep telling you, but you don't want to accept it. Here I will give you the verse.

1 Peter 5:26
The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

Verse 14 is the last verse …. Wait a minute. I see what you did there.

 

[Peterlag]

A rich young ruler came to Christ and called him a “Good Teacher” (Luke 18:18). Jesus replied with “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone” (Luke 18:19). Why did Jesus not compliment this young ruler for calling him “good” if Jesus was telling people he was God? Instead Jesus gave the man a mild rebuke and said that no one was good except “God” and this is evidence that Jesus was not teaching that he was God. Jesus was very quick to make the distinction between himself and God, and in doing so affirmed what this Jewish man would have already believed, which was that there is one God, and Jesus was certainly not that one God.

Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in favor with God. But if Jesus were God and part of the Trinity then he could not grow in favor with himself or the Father or the Holy Spirit. Jesus could only grow in favor with God if he himself were not God because the mutual love and blessing among the members of the Trinity would have been eternal and unchanging. When it comes to assigning positions of authority in the coming Kingdom of Christ, Jesus said those who will sit next to him as people with authority “is not mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father” (Matthew 20:23). Those positions of authority would be his to give if Jesus were God and co-equal with the Father.

And right here I think it's interesting to note that the popularity of the phrase “Deity of Christ” never appears in the Bible, nor is Christ ever called the “Deity” in the Scriptures. Colossians 2:9 says "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." This verse is stating that God placed all His fullness in Christ, which is quite different from saying that Christ is himself God. In Colossians 1:19 we read “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.” That is true, but the fact that Christ has “all the fullness” of God does not make him God. Ephesians 3:19 says that Christians should be filled with “all the fullness of God” and that does not mean Christians will somehow become God.

 

[GEN2REV]

A rich young ruler came to Christ and called him a “Good Teacher” (Luke 18:18). Jesus replied with “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone” (Luke 18:19). Why did Jesus not compliment this young ruler for calling him “good” if Jesus was telling people he was God? Instead Jesus gave the man a mild rebuke and said that no one was good except “God” and this is evidence that Jesus was not teaching that he was God. Jesus was very quick to make the distinction between himself and God, and in doing so affirmed what this Jewish man would have already believed, which was that there is one God, and Jesus was certainly not that one God.

Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in favor with God. But if Jesus were God and part of the Trinity then he could not grow in favor with himself or the Father or the Holy Spirit. Jesus could only grow in favor with God if he himself were not God because the mutual love and blessing among the members of the Trinity would have been eternal and unchanging. When it comes to assigning positions of authority in the coming Kingdom of Christ, Jesus said those who will sit next to him as people with authority “is not mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father” (Matthew 20:23). Those positions of authority would be his to give if Jesus were God and co-equal with the Father.

And right here I think it's interesting to note that the popularity of the phrase “Deity of Christ” never appears in the Bible, nor is Christ ever called the “Deity” in the Scriptures. Colossians 2:9 says "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." This verse is stating that God placed all His fullness in Christ, which is quite different from saying that Christ is himself God. In Colossians 1:19 we read “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.” That is true, but the fact that Christ has “all the fullness” of God does not make him God. Ephesians 3:19 says that Christians should be filled with “all the fullness of God” and that does not mean Christians will somehow become God.

Add your name to the list of successfully confused Christians.

The false prophets are working a mighty work of evil in convincing the masses that God is either a trinity or Jesus is not God.

Couldn't be further from the Truth.

There is no trinity and Jesus is God - plain and simple.

You're craftily using verses that actually support Jesus' Divinity in your campaign against His supremacy.

Colossians 1:19 If all the "fulness" dwells in Christ, that makes Christ God Almighty.

Colossian 2:9 All the "fulness" of the Godhead dwells in Christ because the Godhead is the 'head of the body of Christ' (1 Corinthians 11:3), not the trinity. Ever notice the trinity concept is mentioned nowhere in the Bible? The Head of Jesus is God and the head of us is Jesus. Jesus IS God and the Godhead dwells in Him fully.

Ephesians 3:19 All the "fulness" of God fills believers because the Holy Spirit IS God. (John 4:24) and Jesus Himself tells us in John 14:21-23 that He IS the Holy Spirit and that He (Jesus who is the very Spirit of God placed into Him at conception) comes to live within believers.

This stuff is not that complicated, it's just totally foreign to all those who have been taught absolute falsehood in the modern churches and throughout christendom.

 

[Peterlag]

Add your name to the list of successfully confused Christians.

The false prophets are working a mighty work of evil in convincing the masses that God is either a trinity or Jesus is not God.

Couldn't be further from the Truth.

There is no trinity and Jesus is God - plain and simple.

You're craftily using verses that actually support Jesus' Divinity in your campaign against His supremacy.

Colossians 1:19 If all the "fulness" dwells in Christ, that makes Christ God Almighty.

Colossian 2:9 All the "fulness" of the Godhead dwells in Christ because the Godhead is the 'head of the body of Christ' (1 Corinthians 11:3), not the trinity. Ever notice the trinity concept is mentioned nowhere in the Bible? The Head of Jesus is God and the head of us is Jesus. Jesus IS God and the Godhead dwells in Him fully.

Ephesians 3:19 All the "fulness" of God fills believers because the Holy Spirit IS God. (John 4:24) and Jesus Himself tells us in John 14:21-23 that He IS the Holy Spirit and that He (Jesus who is the very Spirit of God placed into Him at conception) comes to live within believers.

This stuff is not that complicated, it's just totally foreign to all those who have been taught absolute falsehood in the modern churches and throughout christendom.

The words “HOLY SPIRIT” in the Bible are primarily used in two very different ways: One way is to refer to God Himself and the other is referring to God’s nature that He gives to people. God is holy and is spirit and therefore “the Holy Spirit” with a capital “H” and a capital “S” is one of the many “names” or designations for God. God gives His holy spirit nature to people as a gift and when HOLY SPIRIT is used that way it should be translated as the “holy spirit” with a lowercase “h” and a lowercase “s.” The Bible says there is one God, and one Lord, who is the man Jesus Christ; and one gift of the holy spirit. None of the dozens of descriptions, titles, or names of God are believed to be a separate, co-equal “Person” in a triune God except for the “HOLY SPIRIT” and there is no solid biblical reason to make the "Holy Spirit” into a separate “Person.” In other contexts the “HOLY SPIRIT” refers to the gift of God’s nature that He placed on people and the new birth to the Christian, and in those contexts it should be translated as the “holy spirit." God placed a form of His nature which is “holy spirit” upon people when He wanted to spiritually empower them because our natural fleshly human bodies do not have spirit power of their own. This holy spirit nature of God was a gift from God to humankind and we see this in the case of Acts 2:38 when the spirit is specifically called a "gift" when given to the Christian.

 

[GEN2REV]

The words “HOLY SPIRIT” in the Bible are primarily used in two very different ways: One way is to refer to God Himself and the other is referring to God’s nature that He gives to people. God is holy and is spirit and therefore “the Holy Spirit” with a capital “H” and a capital “S” is one of the many “names” or designations for God. God gives His holy spirit nature to people as a gift and when HOLY SPIRIT is used that way it should be translated as the “holy spirit” with a lowercase “h” and a lowercase “s.” The Bible says there is one God, and one Lord, who is the man Jesus Christ; and one gift of the holy spirit. None of the dozens of descriptions, titles, or names of God are believed to be a separate, co-equal “Person” in a triune God except for the “HOLY SPIRIT” and there is no solid biblical reason to make the "Holy Spirit” into a separate “Person.” In other contexts the “HOLY SPIRIT” refers to the gift of God’s nature that He placed on people and the new birth to the Christian, and in those contexts it should be translated as the “holy spirit." God placed a form of His nature which is “holy spirit” upon people when He wanted to spiritually empower them because our natural fleshly human bodies do not have spirit power of their own. This holy spirit nature of God was a gift from God to humankind and we see this in the case of Acts 2:38 when the spirit is specifically called a "gift" when given to the Christian.

Interesting.

And which of your versions is being discussed in Luke 24:27?

"HS" or "hs"?

 

[Peterlag]

Interesting.

And which of your versions is being discussed in Luke 24:27?

"HS" or "hs"?

There is no mention of the words "holy spirit" in Luke 24:27

 

[Peterlag]

Here's some data I posted today on Isaiah 9:6...

Everlasting Father...

Jesus is not called the "Everlasting Father" anywhere else in Scripture? And that even Trinitarians deny that Jesus is the "Everlasting Father." The word translated "everlasting" is actually "age" and the correct translation is that Jesus will be called "father of the coming age." In the culture of the Bible, anyone who began anything or was very important to something was called its father.

Mighty God...

The phrase "Mighty God" can also be better translated. Those who are familiar with the Semitic languages know that a man who is acting with God's authority can be called "god." Although English makes a clear distinction between "God" and "god" the Hebrew language, which has only capital letters cannot. A better translation for the English would be "mighty hero" or "divine hero." Both Martin Luther and James Moffatt translate the phrase as "divine hero" in their Bibles.

 

[GEN2REV]

There is no mention of the words "holy spirit" in Luke 24:27

Uh huh. And how do you suppose Jesus was personally involved with all the Prophets that ever lived since Moses - before He was ever physically born?

Here's a hint.
2 Peter 1:21

And here's another.
John 14:21

 

[Peterlag]

Uh huh. And how do you suppose Jesus was personally involved with all the Prophets that ever lived since Moses - before He was ever physically born?

Here's a hint.
2 Peter 1:21

And here's another.
John 14:21

None of these verses that you have posted above which are Luke 24:27, 2 Peter 1:21, or John 14:21 say that Jesus was a spirit who was alive before he was born. Perhaps it's some thought that is only in your mind because I don't see it in any Scripture that you have quoted.

 

[GEN2REV]

None of these verses that you have posted above which are Luke 24:27, 2 Peter 1:21, or John 14:21 say that Jesus was a spirit who was alive before he was born. Perhaps it's some thought that is only in your mind because I don't see it in any Scripture that you have quoted.

Of course you don't see it, brille.

Psalms 82:5
2 Corinthians 4:4
Romans 8:9-11

 

[Peterlag]

Of course you don't see it, brille.

Psalms 82:5
2 Corinthians 4:4
Romans 8:9-11

I can continue to mention that Psalms 82:5, 2 Corinthians 4:4, and Romans 8:9-11 also do not say Jesus was a spirit who lived before he was born.

 

[GEN2REV]

I can continue

Of course you can.

And my bet is that you will.

You are not here for The Truth.

And to that I say:
Revelation 22:11

 

[Peterlag]

Of course you can.

And my bet is that you will.

You are not here for The Truth.

And to that I say:
Revelation 22:11

No comment on Revelation. I stay out of that book since I believe it to be mostly all about Israel and not about the body of Christ.