What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[GEN2REV]

Therefore, everyone believes not all the times the word ‘word’ is used in Scripture, it refers to Jesus.

I include John 1:1 to that list.

It's interesting for us to all note that all of the nonsense that you and Rich R, and whomever else, teach is completely from without Scripture. In other words, it must be taught.

Nobody ever reads the Bible on their own, from cover to cover, and comes away with the impression of any of what you guys are pedaling.

The saddest part is that some will buy into it and be led away to their doom. That's why it's crucially important for all of those with even a modicum of Spiritual discernment to continue to correct the nonsense.

And that's exactly what it is. Sheer and utter nonsense.

 

[Wrangler]

Nobody ever reads the Bible on their own, from cover to cover, and comes away with the impression of any of what you guys are pedaling.

You reject the trinity too, right? So, we all got that going for us. ;)

 

[GEN2REV]

You reject the trinity too, right? So, we all got that going for us. ;)

Another concept that must be taught.

But those in your crowd are pushing the false notion that 'If the trinity is false, that somehow proves Jesus is not God.'

That's just not accurate.

 

[Peterlag]

What is the name of the thread? do you have a link for it?

Walter

It's the first one right now on the same first page that this thread is on. This may be the link...

What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

 

[Peterlag]

If Jesus were God. Then the Scriptures would come right out and say it and there would be loads of reasons why. There would be no guessing about words and logos and wondering for 400 years before the Catholics introduced it.

 

[Wrangler]

But those in your crowd are pushing the false notion that 'If the trinity is false, that somehow proves Jesus is not God.'

Not 'somehow' not God. Scripture repeatedly says Jesus was sent by God, a servant of God, told what and how to say by God, submitted to the will of God and given a revelation by God, on top of being the son of God. Beyond that, Jesus died. This is how you know without any reasonable doubt that Jesus is not God.

 

[ElieG12]

The trinity is not in the Bible ... Nor it is in the Bible "the eternal" as the name of God, and much less in Mark 12:29, which is a quote from Deut. 6:4,5.

 

[GEN2REV]

Not 'somehow' not God. Scripture repeatedly says Jesus was sent by God, a servant of God, told what and how to say by God, submitted to the will of God and given a revelation by God, on top of being the son of God. Beyond that, Jesus died. This is how you know without any reasonable doubt that Jesus is not God.

Scripture repeatedly says Jesus is God. And Jesus Himself says it many times, many ways.

Proof Jesus IS God Almighty!

 

[Matthias]

The trinity is not in the Bible ... Nor it is in the Bible "the eternal" as the name of God, and much less in Mark 12:29, which is a quote from Deut. 6:4,5.

Yahweh is Adonai; Yahweh is not adoni.

Jesus is adoni; Jesus is not Adonai.

The Shema:

Shema Yisrael. Adonai eloheinu Adonai echad; not Shema Yisrael. Adoni eloheinu adoni echad.

Adonai is the God of Israel; Adonai is the God of adoni.

Adoni is not the God of Israel; adoni is not the God of Adonai.

 

[Taken]

What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God
^ OP

I can't get anyone to answer this honest question.

Jesus was revealed; He IS: The Word of God, Gods appointed Lord.
...Gods Word IS God, comes forth out from God, YET remains WITH and IN God.

Jesus was revealed; He IS: The Christ.
...The Christ IS Gods Power, Gods Wisdom, Gods Seed.
Gods Power IS Gods GLORY, God gives to no one.
Gods Wisdom Gods GIVES to those, WITH God.
Gods Seed God Gives to those, WHOM Gods POWER, is IN such men.

Notice...
Gods POWER, can be WITH a man, leave being WITH a man.
Gods POWER, can be IN a man, (WHILE the man IS bodily Alive).
Gods POWER, IN a man, (to the day of the mans bodily Death)...
THAT MAN, SHALL “forever” BE WITH, the Lord God Almighty.

Men CAN Be WITH and WITHOUT God.
...Men CAN, believe....EFFECTS God WITH them.
...Men CAN, not or stop believing...EFFECTS God this WITHOUT them..

THAT ^^ OCCURRED...From the beginning of the Creation and Making OF ManKIND.
THAT ^^ CONTINUES...to THIS DAY.
THAT


IS...manKIND...EFFECTING his own FREEWILL to BELIEVE according to his own Choice.

Gods OFFERING; established, given, Revealed; 2,000+ years ago.

A Life, A Truth, A Way, according to God...
(OF HOW, ANY manKIND of creature, CAN MAKE his own ONE TIME...ASSURED “heartful” COMMITMENT of BELIEF IN the Lord God Almighty:
BY, THROUGH, OF....... TO; Christ the Lord Jesus.)
And the EFFECTS / RESULT BE MADE,
FOREVER...that man SHALL BE WITH the Lord God Almighty.

** During a mans Natural Lifetime; Offer of Guaranteed ASSURANCE, that man SHALL Forever Be With the Lord God Almighty....IS a mans Benefit.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Matthias]

If Jesus were God. Then the Scriptures would come right out and say it and there would be loads of reasons why. There would be no guessing about words and logos and wondering for 400 years before the Catholics introduced it.

Jesus is figuratively God. That’s the 1st century Jewish context of the story.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus is figuratively God. That’s the 1st century Jewish context of the story.

Do you have a verse to go along with that?

 

[Peterlag]

What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God
^ OP



Jesus was revealed; He IS: The Word of God, Gods appointed Lord.
...Gods Word IS God, comes forth out from God, YET remains WITH and IN God.

Jesus was revealed; He IS: The Christ.
...The Christ IS Gods Power, Gods Wisdom, Gods Seed.
Gods Power IS Gods GLORY, God gives to no one.
Gods Wisdom Gods GIVES to those, WITH God.
Gods Seed God Gives to those, WHOM Gods POWER, is IN such men.

Notice...
Gods POWER, can be WITH a man, leave being WITH a man.
Gods POWER, can be IN a man, (WHILE the man IS bodily Alive).
Gods POWER, IN a man, (to the day of the mans bodily Death)...
THAT MAN, SHALL “forever” BE WITH, the Lord God Almighty.

Men CAN Be WITH and WITHOUT God.
...Men CAN, believe....EFFECTS God WITH them.
...Men CAN, not or stop believing...EFFECTS God this WITHOUT them..

THAT ^^ OCCURRED...From the beginning of the Creation and Making OF ManKIND.
THAT ^^ CONTINUES...to THIS DAY.
THAT


IS...manKIND...EFFECTING his own FREEWILL to BELIEVE according to his own Choice.

Gods OFFERING; established, given, Revealed; 2,000+ years ago.

A Life, A Truth, A Way, according to God...
(OF HOW, ANY manKIND of creature, CAN MAKE his own ONE TIME...ASSURED “heartful” COMMITMENT of BELIEF IN the Lord God Almighty:
BY, THROUGH, OF....... TO; Christ the Lord Jesus.)
And the EFFECTS / RESULT BE MADE,
FOREVER...that man SHALL BE WITH the Lord God Almighty.

** During a mans Natural Lifetime; Offer of Guaranteed ASSURANCE, that man SHALL Forever Be With the Lord God Almighty....IS a mans Benefit.

Glory to God,
Taken

The question is why? The question is not is he God or should he be. The question is why should he be God. What benefit is there to have a god-man?

 

[GEN2REV]

The question is why? The question is not is he God or should he be. The question is why should he be God. What benefit is there to have a god-man?

I know this has been answered at least once in one or more of these current threads on this topic.

It was what had to be done to break the curse of original sin.

Man was cursed for obeying satan in the garden. He then had to obey the 10 Commandments perfectly in order to be saved from the ultimate doom of that outcome.

Man is not capable, on his own, of obeying perfectly because the flesh was cursed with the sin nature. God HAD to inject Himself into the flesh to be the savior, to be the hero of all mankind, to live a perfectly sinless life - which ONLY He could do - and to cut a path to salvation in the spirit realm for which all men must follow in order to be saved.

Christian = follower of Christ.

That is - we must believe that Christ (God) came in the flesh, was the perfect spotless (sinless) lamb and died (was the perfect sacrifice) for our sins so that we would have a way out of the otherwise permanent damage that was done to this world and to the flesh by the original sin committed in the garden of Eden.

Christ HAD to be God in order to accomplish all of that ... AND ... God deserves all the glory for what He did for us through the flesh man Jesus Christ.

Praise the LORD Jesus Christ and all glory to God Almighty!!

 

[GEN2REV]

The question is why? The question is not is he God or should he be. The question is why should he be God. What benefit is there to have a god-man?

You asked the question, here is a pretty good answer.

Got Questions doesn't always get it right, but this time they did.

"Since the fall of man (Genesis 3:21-23), the only way to be made right with God has been the blood of an innocent sacrifice (Leviticus 9:2; Numbers 28:19; Deuteronomy 15:21; Hebrews 9:22). Jesus was the final, perfect sacrifice that satisfied forever God’s wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:14). His divine nature made Him fit for the work of Redeemer; His human body allowed Him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt. No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world (Matthew 26:28; 1 John 2:2). If Jesus were merely a good man as some claim, then He had a sin nature and was not perfect. In that case, His death and resurrection would have no power to save anyone.

Because Jesus was God in the flesh, He alone could pay the debt we owed to God. His victory over death and the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him (John 1:12; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 17)."

Is Jesus God in the flesh? Why is it important that Jesus is God in the flesh? | GotQuestions.org
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[Peterlag]

You asked the question, here is a pretty good answer.

Got Questions doesn't always get it right, but this time they did.

"Since the fall of man (Genesis 3:21-23), the only way to be made right with God has been the blood of an innocent sacrifice (Leviticus 9:2; Numbers 28:19; Deuteronomy 15:21; Hebrews 9:22). Jesus was the final, perfect sacrifice that satisfied forever God’s wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:14). His divine nature made Him fit for the work of Redeemer; His human body allowed Him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt. No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world (Matthew 26:28; 1 John 2:2). If Jesus were merely a good man as some claim, then He had a sin nature and was not perfect. In that case, His death and resurrection would have no power to save anyone.

Because Jesus was God in the flesh, He alone could pay the debt we owed to God. His victory over death and the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him (John 1:12; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 17)."

Is Jesus God in the flesh? Why is it important that Jesus is God in the flesh? | GotQuestions.org
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What you list are the requirements for the Messiah, the son of God, and not God. I stopped reading when I came to the part where you say "If Jesus were merely a good man..." because nobody in my camp on this website ever said that the son of God was a mere man.

 

[Peterlag]

I know this has been answered at least once in one or more of these current threads on this topic.

It was what had to be done to break the curse of original sin.

Man was cursed for obeying satan in the garden. He then had to obey the 10 Commandments perfectly in order to be saved from the ultimate doom of that outcome.

Man is not capable, on his own, of obeying perfectly because the flesh was cursed with the sin nature. God HAD to inject Himself into the flesh to be the savior, to be the hero of all mankind, to live a perfectly sinless life - which ONLY He could do - and to cut a path to salvation in the spirit realm for which all men must follow in order to be saved.

Christian = follower of Christ.

That is - we must believe that Christ (God) came in the flesh, was the perfect spotless (sinless) lamb and died (was the perfect sacrifice) for our sins so that we would have a way out of the otherwise permanent damage that was done to this world and to the flesh by the original sin committed in the garden of Eden.

Christ HAD to be God in order to accomplish all of that ... AND ... God deserves all the glory for what He did for us through the flesh man Jesus Christ.

Praise the LORD Jesus Christ and all glory to God Almighty!!

What you are saying is not what the Bible says and I state that in the OP. The Bible said a man had to do it.

 

[GEN2REV]

I stopped reading when I came to the part where you say "If Jesus were merely a good man..."

I didn't say that. It was a quote from the GotQuestions website. The link is under the quote for those who cared to read the whole brief page on the subject.

YOU asked a question.

The question is why? The question is not is he God or should he be. The question is why should he be God.

That's exactly what I answered with both those posts.

You are showing dead-giveaway signs of those who troll all Christian Forums to push agenda with your arrogant refusal to even consider what others post in answer to your own questions. You want to ask a question and then CONTROL how people answer and what is posted in response. That's just not how it works.

Your question has been answered thoroughly, whether you like it or not; and those reading along will be edified by the information presented without your ability to keep that from happening.

Deal with it.

You have failed in your agenda here.

 

[GEN2REV]

The Bible said a man had to do it.

That's exactly right and answers your own question. That is why God did it through a man. He WAS that man - in the flesh.

No mortal man could have accomplished it as we see in 1 John 1:8, no man can be without sin.

God came in the flesh whether it offends your sensibilities or not.

 

[GEN2REV]

What you are saying is not what the Bible says and I state that in the OP.

The verse in your OP Romans 5:15 even says that it was the grace of that man Jesus Christ.

Grace can come only from God. Grace is not something any human has of their own accord. It must come from God.

Jesus IS God.