What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

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Of course you don’t. I’ve been writing about trinitarians who do share my concern about it.

It doesn’t cause me any difficulty at all because I’ve been formally educated in regard to the doctrine of the Trinity. You’re playing at it.

What does your formal education tell you that the Bible doesn't tell me? I see tons of convoluted arguments that always come down to wanting that I should reject the plain saying of plainly stated Scriptures, and I see no reason to do that.

It all makes sense, it all fits together, I don't have to deny anything.

Simple Greek, the Word was with God, the Word was God, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And His Name . . . The Word of God . . . Being in the form of God . . . He took on the form of a servant . . . became obedient . . .

And the connects between Jesus and YHWH, unmistakable, YHWH met with Abraham, with Moses and Aaron and the elders of Israel, YHWH will stand on the Mount of Olives, John the Baptist came preparing the way for YHWH, Jesus, it goes on and one. If you just read it, accept it, this is what it says. What God says.

Formal education isn't always the be all end all, you realize! All this reasoning and arguments, yet if you just believe the text, an amazing truth emerges.

To which you reply, but God can't be both a Divine Person and an Human Person. OK. If that's your rule, run with it. Isn't this on the same lines as, "But, 1 CANNOT BE 3!"?

That seems to be the end of all the Trinity debates I've seen, or most of them anyway! Answer all the objections, and it comes to that.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

What does your formal education tell you that the Bible doesn't tell me? I see tons of convoluted arguments that always come down to wanting that I should reject the plain saying of plainly stated Scriptures, and I see no reason to do that.

It all makes sense, it all fits together, I don't have to deny anything.

Simple Greek, the Word was with God, the Word was God, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And His Name . . . The Word of God . . . Being in the form of God . . . He took on the form of a servant . . . became obedient . . .

And the connects between Jesus and YHWH, unmistakable, YHWH met with Abraham, with Moses and Aaron and the elders of Israel, YHWH will stand on the Mount of Olives, John the Baptist came preparing the way for YHWH, Jesus, it goes on and one. If you just read it, accept it, this is what it says. What God says.

Formal education isn't always the be all end all, you realize! All this reasoning and arguments, yet if you just believe the text, an amazing truth emerges.

To which you reply, but God can't be both a Divine Person and an Human Person. OK. If that's your rule, run with it. Isn't this on the same lines as, "But, 1 CANNOT BE 3!"?

Much love!

It’s not my rule. It’s the rule of the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

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It’s not my rule. It’s the rule of the doctrine of the Trinity.

You are claiming it, using it.

Show it to me from Scripture. Or is it just something college professors talk about?

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

You are claiming it, using it.

And trinitarians aren’t but should be.

Show it to me from Scripture.

The doctrine of the Trinity isn’t in scripture.

Or is it just something college professors talk about?

Much love!

Mostly, it is just something college professors are talking about. The doctrine of the Trinity isn’t taught in most trinitarian churches. The trinitarian clergy isn’t doing the job. To find it, we have to read Church history.

 

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And trinitarians aren’t but should be.

The doctrine of the Trinity isn’t in scripture.

Mostly, it is. The doctrine of the Trinity isn’t taught in most trinitarian churches. To find it, we have to read Church history.

You claim it, you use it, that makes it yours. Right?

It sounds like your "persons" then are not in the Bible, or I'd assume you'd point me to the place.

Seriously, we find it just in believing the plain sayings of plainly stated Scriptures. There's nothing needed more than that. Children can understand what the truth is. Not all of it's implications, I don't think anyone can, really understand about God's nature, only accepting the truths revealed.

Talk about your persons all you wish, what is that to me? When I can read and believe my Bible, and know God through it. I wonder whether I'd come to know God through many of these college professors. Paul called out those who were ever learning but not arriving at the truth. For a reason.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

You claim it, you use it, that makes it yours. Right?

No. It is the intellectual property of trinitarianism. The trinitarian clergy isn’t using it. You should be hearing it from them, not from me.

It sounds like your "persons" then are not in the Bible, or I'd assume you'd point me to the place.

Seriously, we find it just in believing the plain sayings of plainly stated Scriptures. There's nothing needed more than that. Children can understand what the truth is. Not all of it's implications, I don't think anyone can, really understand about God's nature, only accepting the truths revealed.

Talk about your persons all you wish, what is that to me? When I can read and believe my Bible, and know God through it. I wonder whether I'd come to know God through many of these college professors. Paul called out those who were ever learning but not arriving at the truth. For a reason.

Much love!

What is the doctrine of the Trinity to you? An unknown doctrine.

 

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No. It is the intellectual property of trinitarianism. The trinitarian clergy isn’t using it. You should be hearing it from them, not from me.

What is the doctrine of the Trinity to you? An unknown doctrine.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, are One God. No, this is not unknown.

Intellectual property of trinitarianism? "Ism's" don't own property. "Ism's" don't have thoughts, or make arguments, or any of that. "Ism's" are able to be painted in whatever color the speaker wants to.

People own things. People do things. People make arguments, and form definitions, and some are good, valid, accurate, and there are a great many that are not any of those.

You make vastly complicated and "super-Biblical" what is simply stated in the Bible itself.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

And trinitarians aren’t but should be.
The doctrine of the Trinity isn’t in scripture.

Sure it its.
Let me show you..

1 John 5:7

See, the Bible teaches 3 in ONE, but you were taught a cult teaching, that rejects the bible.

Look..

Young's Literal Translation
because THREE are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one..

 

[Matthias]

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, are One God. No, this is not unknown.

Intellectual property of trinitarianism? "Ism's" don't own property. "Ism's" don't have thoughts, or make arguments, or any of that. "Ism's" are able to be painted in whatever color the speaker wants to.

People own things. People do things. People make arguments, and form definitions, and some are good, valid, accurate, and there are a great many that are not any of those.

You make vastly complicated and "super-Biblical" what is simply stated in the Bible itself.

Much love!

Over and over you demonstrate my point. The trinitarian clergy is not teaching the doctrine of the Trinity.

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Here’s a simple challenge to JAT : Let’s agree that Jesus is a human person and ANY doctrine which says that he is not a human person is a false doctrine.

 

[Matthias]

Sure it its.
Let me show you..

1 John 5:7

See, the Bible teaches 3 in ONE, but you were taught a cult teaching, that rejects the bible.

Look..

Young's Literal Translation
because THREE are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one..

That’s not the doctrine of the Trinity (i.e. your phrase “Classic Trinity”) and we both know it.

 

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Over and over you demonstrate my point. The trinitarian clergy is not teaching the doctrine of the Trinity.

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Here’s a simple challenge to JAT : Let’s agree that Jesus is a human person and ANY doctrine which says that he is not a human person is a false doctrine.

Sounds to me that you are stacking the deck. Setting up a dichotomy.

Let's agree to hold to the plain sayings of plainly stated Scripture, OK?

You've got some idea of what the Trinity doctrine is, or should be, though you don't believe it. I've got some idea about what the Bible says, and I do believe it.

The Word became flesh . . . and all that goes with this saying. He became obedient, and all that goes with that. John the Baptist prepared the way for YHWH. YHWH shall stand on the Mount of Olives.

Believe.

Much love!

 

[GEN2REV]

Of course you don’t. I’ve been writing about trinitarians who do share my concern about it.



It doesn’t cause me any difficulty at all because I’ve been formally educated in regard to the doctrine of the Trinity. You’re playing at it.

What is your formal education?

Was it led by those who are more of an authority on matters of the Bible than the Bible itself?

Is the Bible not God's Word? How can any formal school claim that it has more, and better, information about God than the book that God Himself authored; and how can they charge tens of thousands of dollars to teach what God has freely shared?

I don't get it. Putting man before God is a sure way to go astray.

Those who pay for an education in the Bible lose much more than their money.

 

[Matthias]

Sounds to me that you are stacking the deck. Setting up a dichotomy.

If you were knowledgeable about the doctrine of the Trinity you would have recognized that I was inviting JAT to investigate and then reject the doctrine of the Trinity.

You've got some idea of what the Trinity doctrine is, or should be, though you don't believe it.

It’s called the doctrine of the Trinity. It’s what the Church has defined as orthodoxy since the 4th century.

 

[Matthias]

What is your formal education?

Was it led by those who are more of an authority on matters of the Bible than the Bible itself?

Is the Bible not God's Word? How can any formal school claim that it has more, and better, information about God than the book that God Himself authored; and how can they charge tens of thousands of dollars to teach what God has freely shared?

I don't get it. Putting man before God is a sure way to go astray.

Those who pay for an education in the Bible lose much more than their money.

My advanced education was led by skilled trinitarians who were properly trained and technically equipped to do the job.

 

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My advanced education was led by skilled trinitarians who were properly trained and technically equipped to do the job.

Yet you continue to not accept the plain sayings of plainly stated Scriptures. What then is the benefit?

to investigate and then reject the doctrine of the Trinity.

That was pretty obvious, actually. That's why the "stacked deck" comment.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

That was pretty obvious, actually. That's why the "stacked deck" comment.

Mission accomplished.

The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that Jesus is not a human person. Therefore, it is a false doctrine.

In believing that Jesus is in fact a human person, JAT has already rejected the doctrine but has done so without realizing it.

 

[Matthias]

Yet you continue to not accept the plain sayings of plainly stated Scriptures. What then is the benefit?

I wanted to comment on this portion of your post separately.

Your comment is an example of why my trinitarian and non-trinitarian colleagues don’t post on discussion forums and believe them to be “lost causes” and “a waste of their time”.

They aren’t willing to endure the reviling of the ignorant. I am and I do.

 

[marks]

Mission accomplished.

The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that Jesus is not a human person. Therefore, it is a false doctrine.

In believing that Jesus is in fact a human person, JAT has already rejected the doctrine but has done so without realizing it.

Like I said, a stacked deck.

Meanwhile, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us . . . And His Name is called the Word of God . . .

Get rid of all the sophistry, and just believe the plain sayings of plainly stated Scripture. I cannot overemphasize that.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

Like I said, a stacked deck.

Meanwhile, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God . . . And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us . . . And His Name is called the Word of God . . .

Get rid of all the sophistry, and just believe the plain sayings of plainly stated Scripture. I cannot overemphasize that.

Much love!

An invitation to stop teaching the doctrine of the Trinity.

I love irony.

 

[marks]

An invitation to stop teaching the doctrine of the Trinity.

Just believe the plain sayings of plain . . . oh nevermind.

Much love!