In regard to what Jesus said to Peter, it appears that the Apostle John's presumption is in error.

[The Third One]

I will, in time, get to ALL of these great posts from @theefaith and @The Learner. In the meantime…

@VictoryinJesus writes...

No, she does more than just write. At this moment in Time, from the very essence of what her humanity Truly is — a little child, kidnapped, bound and locked AWAY in a hole down in the basement — she shares with us… actually, she cries-out to us (and I have good ears). I can effortlessly hear you; oh, precious little one; even as your stifled voice remains locked AWAY in captivity.

She cries: “It is scary to consider ‘We judge EVERYTHING in terms of Good & Evil. That is what... having a conscience... is. Judging EVERYTHING (including one’s own self) in terms of Good & Evil.’ It is scary because you described me PERFECTLY. Like whenever I grew a conscience it was ‘Let the Judge come Forth’.”

You speak Truth, my dear friend. But, are you aware... just how young you were… when you actually grew IT? (a conscience, that is)

You grew one the very moment you “came-of-age.” You are not alone. 99.9999999% of the adult, Living human population, remains kidnapped. Bound-up and locked AWAY in a hole down in the basement.

For, most of us? IT happens around age two.

IT happens, the first time “right & wrong ” is impressed upon us. For, that is when... we... first gain The Knowledge of Good & Evil.

And, then… after that first bit of “Knowledge” (that first bite), IT extrapolates… throughout your entire way of thinking.

IT goes into overdrive as “ ‘what is to be considered “right” and what is to be considered... “wrong” ’ ” is universally impressed upon you... from every direction.

I get the idea that you think you grew a conscience when you joined “the Church” or when you simply go to church. No, my dear. That is, undeniably, when... IT... gets much worse. If you dive deep (becoming a “holy-roller”), that is when IT goes into super-drive. One’s personal, individual conscience goes hog-wild when IT merges with the collective Church-Conscience — oh, yes. The Church has a collective-conscience of its own... one that is mercilessly hammered upon you — sanctimoniously impressed into you (and into anyone who ever gets that close to IT). Led by ITS real Master, the collective-conscience of the Church covers-up ITS own Master’s name and total influence... with fairytales of “Original Sin” and “The Fall of Man.” So that, even as you read about IT, in Scripture, you will never recognize the Church’s actual slave-owning Master.

The Reality of the absolute Truth of ALL this is, of course, overwhelming (to say the least).

Yet, here is the most remarkable thing to consider. You didn’t have a conscience... at ALL... before you became 2. Now, did you?

{it happens to most of us no earlier than age 2 (unless, rarely, something horrible happened to you as an infant); and, usually no later than age 4 — in other Words, whenever IT was that we did “come-of-age”}

From the womb until somewhere around the age of 2, you still have your Factory Setting:

IT’S ALL GOOD.

Do you know how the Formed Church (and its students) refer to that “age,” whenever it is we tragically make that Diabolically-Inspired mental transition — meaning, the actual numerical age that anyone reaches... when a person “comes of age”?

They call IT… “The age of reason.”

Boy, isn’t that a crock. They should call IT... “The age of disreason.”

IT is this point in a person’s Life, where the “prime directive” (within one’s way of thinking) changes from “IT’S ALL GOOD”...to…

“IT’S NOT ALL GOOD.”

Your new and destructive prime directive.

Jesus would call this new and destructive prime directive, “an EVIL metanoeo.” An altered way of thinking... that leads to Death.

This hijacking — this destructive prime directive (with ITS fatal destination) — is run by a Master. The same Master that runs any and every “conscience.” Just as much of a master (if not more of one) as was the ol’ southern cotton plantation master. The Church won’t tell you ITS name, yet I will be more than happy to do so.

Master Knowledge of Good & Evil.

The Jesus Concept is PERFECTLY designed to flip-you-completely-back to your Factory Setting. To baptismo metanoeo you. (“To overwhelmingly change your mind”) back to your... “IT’S ALL GOOD” state of mind.

Yes, sir. Yes, mame. That is where you want to be.

And, what do you suppose Jesus calls… that?

“The Kingdom of Heaven.”

Out of ALL of the inspired writings ever known to man, the best illustration (regarding “the Kingdom of Heaven”) is found within the Gospel of Matthew. When a guy named Jesus of Nazareth picks up a little child (notice the distinction, specifically, Jesus takes a little child into his arms) and he tells the world (as we know IT):

Matthew 18:3 (Original Greek) “Then Jesus said, “Truly I say unto you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never get the Kingdom of Heaven.”

“Get” as in “understand.” “Get” as in “have.” Unless you “digress” ALL the way back to becoming like a little child (your Factory Setting once again set to: IT’S ALL GOOD) you will never understand the Kingdom of Heaven. Unless you become like a little child you will never have the Kingdom of Heaven. This illustration presents the Reality of the Kingdom of Heaven, and the exact “change of mind” that truly gets us there.

 

[The Third One]

And, by the way, let’s be sure to get the story straight: “Having called to him a child”? Thank God, Jesus clarifies (for the record) that this is “a little child.” Some sky-pilots imagine that Jesus bade a toddler to walk up to him. (Buzzer sound!) Wrong.

Jesus bids a trusting soul in the audience to hand an infant child to him. Jesus takes the infant, and sets the baby into his arms. This is exactly how Jesus “set” the little child “in the midst of them.” And, “Then Jesus said…”

The KJV, for the most part, is pristine; yet here, the editors (those Reforming boys, Living in 1611AD) decided it would suit their needs much better to sub, “converted,” in for “change” so that they could have Jesus say, “Except ye be converted…” (LOL) “converted” into what?

Well... I think you already know.

Swapping the word, converted, for the Word “change” is identical to overdubbing repent throughout their published creation, the KJV. Having done so, they sent the Words “change your mind” (as we say in the sound studio) to magnetic heaven.

Luke (being Paul’s apostle) attempts to tell the story three-times removed. (Luke 18:17) Even so, Luke confirms the “little child” part of the deal. Ironically, a “little” child (a newborn to a one year old) is the biggest clue for us. And, although Luke doesn’t mention anything of the sort, the fly boys prefer to twist Luke’s version, preaching that “faith” and “humility” is what Jesus is talking about. (Buzzer sound!) Wrong again. Us “changing our minds” back to our Factory Setting, is what Jesus is talking about.

My dear VictoryinJesus, I didn’t just describe you PERFECTLY, I described every one of us who has not ...yet... truly accepted, 100%, with no “ifs,” “ands” or “buts” what’s been done for us on the cross.

That includes 99.9999999% of the adult Living human population (today’s generation of adult humans). Christian and non-Christian. “Believers” and non-believers alike.

You are in GOOD company. And, Truly, I mean the GOOD-part sincerely. For, at our core level, ALL of us are Truly Good. Even those of us we call “the worst of us.” Those of us, who have done horrific trespasses against others — and, although you do not fall into... “that category” — the Truth of the matter is, there are no “categories” of people who have “not ...yet... truly accepted, 100%, with no “ifs,” “ands” or “buts,” what’s been done for us on the cross” — rather... that is the category.

At this point (into the Age, into which we are now currently Living — which started the day Jesus first announced “the Kingdom of Heaven is near”), there still remains two categories of adult people:

1): Those who have truly accepted, 100% — with no “ifs,” “ands” “buts” — what’s been done for us on the cross.

2): And, those who have yet to do so.

I, for one, have truly accepted it.

What’s been done for us on the cross... is mine.

A few of our thread participants in this discussion (mostly passersby) have tried to define me. (People need labels so desperately.) I guess what you can call me is a true acceptor.

Out of our entire 2000 year progress report, I may well be the only one.

Paul came very close. He copyrighted what’s been done for us on the cross in the first five and-a-half chapters of Romans. The problem is, he never truly accepted it. So, he wasn’t able to give himself the necessary time (with that “true acceptor head on his shoulders”) to properly express it... and define it. Instead, he reversed it (at Romans 6:16).

To tell you the God’s-honest Truth, I understood the full and complete simplicity of my own true acceptance at the age of six. And, whoa... by age 24, after ALL of what my Father in Heaven had taught me (up to that point), I had as good (if not better) an understanding of it than Paul.

During my 24th year (at the beginning of 1986) my goal was to, finally, do my first cover to cover acquisition of the Bible. I fell short of my goal. By the time 1987 rolled around (at age 25), I was getting knee-deep into those first chapters of Romans.

Perhaps, if you’re familiar with those chapters (as well as my take on things), you can imagine my astonishment... and outright glee! To appreciate my accelerated youthful glory in this, you have to understand, this was the first time I had ever read Romans (nor had I ever, prior to this, heard any of these verses). Paul was intellectually making the exact same arguments as had I (on many occasions), in vigorous debates with my Christian friends, whose religious philosophies were dismal and chalked full of error. I was terrific at getting ALL of my well-thought-out points across to them (yet with not one precious pearl penetrating their deaf and distrusting ears); for, I could never defend my solid position with Scripture.

And, yet, here it was!

In the very “Bible” that these (as I saw them) “misguided morons” had been thumping at me!

I was actually yelling, “Go Paul!” at the top of my lungs, as I drew stars, underlines and exclamation marks by each confirming verse! Unbeknown to me, in the midst of ALL of this emotional, intellectual and spiritual ecstasy, I was quickly approaching The Second Floor (becoming High In the Spirit). And, in the back of my mind, I keep wondering: “How could ALL these Christians have gotten it so very wrong for ALL these years? My God, it’s right here, in print! Are they reading the same Bible as I?

 

[The Third One]

In short time, I got my answer to those booming questions.

As I read Romans 6:16 (for the first time in my Life), my mouth almost hit the carpet, while my spirit zoomed to the Fifth Floor. Up there, I saw Paul’s “plane crash” from every possible perspective. Including the Absolute “eye-witness perspective” (which you wouldn’t “believe” if I told you). As I plummeted down to the Second Floor (and to my own thoughts for a moment) I had the distinct impression that I was the only person on the entire planet, who knew what I knew (about Paul’s reversal); and, the Truth of the matter is, I was.

As far as I have been able to tell (in my ongoing search), I am the first of those two categories that I mentioned earlier.

I may well be the only person to have ever truly accepted — 100%, with no ifs, ands or buts — what’s been done for us on the cross. Speaking, as I have for the sake of Team Light, that is not a bragging-claim. It is a fact that, truthfully, it makes me want to fall down on my face in tears!

Yet, even so, the Holy Spirit is positive and encouraging. She says, “Even after ALL this Time, one is enough.” For, one leads to few, few leads to many and, many leads to ALL.

Be truthful with yourself before God and answer these 5 questions:

1): You may well “believe” that you are “saved,” but do you know for a fact that you have been PERFECTLY RANSOMED?

2): You may “believe” that your sins have been “forgiven” or that your sins are put into “remission”; yet, still struggling, day to day with sin, by practicing the manmade assembly line associated with “repentance” — or have you truly accepted that (past, present and future) ALL of your sins have Truly been taken AWAY?

3): Do you know that (now, once again) your core self is a PERFECT creation of the Living God? Or do you “believe” what is taught by “the Church” — that no one can ever be made PERFECT in this Life?

4): Are you still a slave to a multitude of manmade, self-created Masters and Overseers (Master Judgment, Master Guilt, Master Religion, Master Sin, Master Law, Master Self-Righteousness) ALL because you continue to be both Slave and Prisoner to a Diabolical Master, which the Darkness Conceived — and Mankind willingly (and quite stupidly) brought ITS power into this world — Master Knowledge of Good & Evil? Or are you totally FREE?

“FREE-Indeed?” as Jesus would ask you.

5): Do you “believe” what the Church teaches — that the vast majority of humanity (God’s children; wayward, yet still, His children) will be tossed aside as garbage to burn forever in a Death that never ends? Or do you know the Scriptures; (specifically, the declaration) — that ultimately (even if it takes a million years), ALL (every one of us), from Adam and onward, will truly accept what’s been done for us on the cross?

Why not enjoy it right now? In this Life! It’s FREE!

Alas, easier for a non-Christian to truly accept what’s been done for us on the cross, than it is for a Christian. Why? Because... in order for a Christian to truly take what’s been done for us on the cross, he or she has to deprogram... and take ALL of the self-defeatist brainwashing (ALL those manmade “ifs,” “ands” and “buts”) to the curb.

During my “searching years” (between the age of forty-five and fifty-five) I asked nearly everyone I had met at a brick and mortar church or had “texted” on an online Christian site: “Have you truly accepted, 100%, with no ifs, ands or buts, that ALL of your sins have been taken AWAY by what’s been done for us on the cross?

Could there be any more of me out there? Perhaps the Lord God could point one out for me. “She’s taken it.” Or, “He’s one of you.” This was at the heart of my search. Finding another one. Not unlike the little bird in the nursery story, going from pillar to post, trying to find its mother; I, too, have been trying to find another true acceptor.

Without success.

I have learned plenty more since those searching days. So... maybe... I have finally been made ready and able to convince one of you to do likewise — to accept it in its pure form, without ALL the extras that Truly detract from it and even deprecate it.

I remain convinced that, ultimately, Jesus will draw everyone into his Concept. Meaning... ultimately, everyone — from Adam and onward — will truly accept what’s been done for us on the cross.

Any Christian who wants the Kingdom of Heaven, has to be willing to be deprogrammed. Then, and only then, can you be receptive to Truly learn the most basic thing. The pure power of what’s been done for us on the cross only works one way. ALL by itself. Undiluted.

Rejecting every other Christian dogma, one has to universally isolate what’s been done for us on the cross. It is ALL that we see. It is the TOTALITY of what gets us there.

 

[The Third One]

Everything Jesus did and everything he said... is... ALL about us, “truly accepting what he has done for us.”

To “understand his Concept,” is to truly accept what he has done for us.

To “understand his Mission,” is to truly accept what he has done for us.

To “know” Jesus, is to truly accept what he has done for us.

To “obey” Jesus, is to truly accept what he has done for us.

There is no holy-circle drawn around “the Church.”

What been done for us on the cross has been done for EVERYONE. And, for anyone; and, yes, ultimately, for every one — to be “drawn to Jesus” — is to truly accept what he has done for us:

John 12:32 (Multiple Translation) “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw ALL men to myself.”

It does not take Radical-Christian-Thinking to see this Truth. ALL it takes is a tiny metanoeo (a simple change in Christian-Thinking). Put aside your “Christian-Pride.” For, “we” (Christians) are in no lofty position to be doing the “separating” — us and them; as in, us, the found and, them, the lost. Number One: Not ALL those who wander are lost. And... Number Two: Instead of separating people by LOST & FOUND, try this little change of mind on for size: FOUND & YET TO BE FOUND.

Yes, VictoryinJesus, my dear friend, it is kind of “scary” to see that you “have been described PERFECTLY.” Yet, the first step in you being RANSOMED — out of that hole in the basement — is for you is to realize the Truth of that. And, you have realized it. (we are making some progress in here). Congratulations! In the same sense as, going to the doctor, and the doctor advises you, with no question, “Yes, my dear one, I have no other choice but to tell you the Truth. You have cancer.” However!

(before you have a chance to fall to the ground in anguish)

The doctor grabs you by your shoulders, with a huge smile across his face: “Honey, we’ve caught IT! See IT? Right here on the X-ray screen! IT’S brain cancer! Now don’t freak out. It’s not PHYSICAL brain cancer. It’s PSYCHOLOGICAL brain cancer!

Why am I so happy about your prognosis? (this is still “the doctor” talking)

Because, since you had the brainpower to create this monstrosity, this thing that Truly is foreign to you (foreign to what you Truly are) — this fatal mass of cancer — you EQUALLY have the brainpower to get rid of it. It is ALL up to you, my dear. You can do whatever you would like with IT. You can hold on to IT... and die with IT. Or… you can keep sending IT into “remission” (as you have been doing)… and die with IT.

Or... (the doctor says, in considered wisdom and knowledge) I can show you THE REAL PSYCHOLOGICAL POWER to send it ALL AWAY! For GOOD (literally).

It doesn’t take an operation — unless you’ve got a whole lot of “ifs,” “ands” and “buts” stuck in your brain. May I assure you, Doctor Third One is prepared to help you with that. I’ve learned from the very best. Doctor Jesus left Doctor Third One more than enough Words to help with that. And, Doctor Holy Spirit has Personally given Doctor Third One more than enough Words to help with that.

Trust me, I can help with that.

It’s simple. We simply take each one of those “ifs,” “ands” and “buts” to the curb, one at a time. We can spend as much time as you would like on each and every one of them. Days. Weeks. Until you can finally (and 100%) truthfully agree, “Yep. That’s cancer. I am taking it to the trash bin.”

My dear friend, I am not talking about what will easily take care of itself — what you have been taught to “believe” is the difficult stuff — what you see and what you have been made to see as “the sinful things in your Life.” No, not at ALL. I am talking about ALL of the dogma — ALL of the “ifs,” “ands” and “buts,” that keep us from truly accepting what’s been done for us on the cross, 100%, with no “ifs,” “ands” or “buts.”

I guess you would have to read ALL the posts (like four chapters in a book, at this point) — to be plainly aware of most of the biggest “ifs,” “ands” or “buts.”

As for “sins” and “evil.” One cannot get rid of “sins” and “evil” by “struggling with sin” or by trying to “fight evil.” It is a losing battle. Worse, it’s a lost battle. Just look at our 2000-Year Progress Report.

 

[The Third One]

Why don’t we try the Jesus Concept for a couple of years, and see how we do?

What have you got to lose?

ALL I can think of is... your cancer.

VictoryinJesus, if you could have ALL of the GOOD{patience with your mom; caring for and visiting others that Truly need you and who are Truly nurtured by you; praising things your husband does, for example: saying “That is so good,” “Thank you” or “Wow! That is so special what you did for us”; seeing talent; seeing good things; judging everything (especially others) not — for you have Truly learned to judge yourself not; knowing, that it is PERFECTLY wonderful to make things better (always, especially for those around you), but, at the same time, loving God with ALL your mind, gut, soul and strength for Who He is, for what He has done for ALL of us and for what you do personally have — for you have Truly come to know that, Life, itself... is EVERYTHING}, without any of the bad. Would that be enough?

In order for you to lose ALL of the bad, and, at the same time, keep ALL those wonderful things (gaining many more — including super-wonderful things impossible for you to even imagine at this point), you would have to send “The Judge” back to Never-Never Land. You have the brainpower to do so, for it was the power of your brain that brought IT to Life in the first place.

Unfortunately, IT has become very powerful.

IT multiplies ITSELF, exponentially, every ten years of human existence. (Madder and madder we get as the years go on.) Wanting to hold on to IT (the huge, rotting board that IT is, stuck through your temples) is the worst way to remained enslaved to IT. It is a prison — a prison that becomes more and more complicated with each and every generation. It has long since become escape-proof — sealed tight with firewalls, spikes in the ground pointed downward and upward. Electric fencing and security cameras to boot.

In our day and age, escape is no longer possible. Escape is impossible. There is only one route to survival. A God-Given blessing.

A paid-in-full RANSOM.

That, once truly accepted, turns your “Master” into a pillar of salt.

It may sound like an impossible task for each and every one of us to evolve-back. To totally change our minds, our outlook and then, our world. I promise you, it is not. We only have to look a few feet over our shoulders to see ourselves riding horses on dirt roads and reading letters by candle flame — letters that took over two months to “swiftly” get to us. Now, within a split second (split into a million ticks of time) whenever you text or speak into your cell phone, it takes only 300 milliseconds for your text message to “ping” or for your Live voice to be heard on the other side of the world.

Now, just how fast is that?

300 millionths of a second.

The point?

Invention.

It is very helpful to look at what’s been done for us on the cross as Jesus’ Invention. Infinite, yet reducible to eating pure inexorable power. The strength of a tiny mustard seed in a little blue pill capsule. What should we call this medicine?

Undeniable Truth. We are suckers for the Truth. And, we are rubberneckers. A powerful combination. Once learned, it is hard to ever forget the RANSOM part of the Gospel of Jesus. For him to give his Life. As a RANSOM. For many.

Once anyone learns the gory details, one can never dismiss it from the mind. Head smashed through the windshield with a halo of shards encircling the cranium from temple to occiput. ALL four extremities pierced through and through by twisted metal. Even so, the man behind the wheel did not expire by bleeding out. Pathology suggests he died of suffocation before the first responder arrived, only to stick a spear into his side to see if he was still alive. He was not.

For certain, the tangible spectacle of Jesus, giving his Life on the cross as our RANSOM is a trillion times more powerful than the meager spectacle of our sin. The psychological power one gains by accepting this Truth, 100%, with no ifs, ands or buts, is Life-changing. One Life... one person at a time.

Ultimately, the Gospel of Jesus is world-changing.

In the movie, Cool Hand Luke, the jailers tried to beat Luke’s mind into submission. They told him over and over that he needed to “get his mind right.”

“Right” by the jailers’ perspective.

 

[The Third One]

When you gained The Knowledge of Good & Evil, you got your mind “right” by the jailors’ perspective. You truly accepted, 100%, with no ifs, ands or buts, the conceptual Reality that SOME portion of a human being (uh, that would include you) is *Evil.*

You got your mind... wrong. Granted, you had a world-full of help from ALL of your jailers — victims themselves of the same prison. And, at some point, your mind was overwhelmingly beaten into submission.

A true acceptor (GIFT-ACCEPTED stamped upon the brain) can easily dismiss the insane ravings of an entire world of jailers. Victims themselves of the same prison. Same as Cool Hand Luke gave ALL of his jailers and bosses the middle finger. You can, too. Only, much easier for you. Unlike Cool Hand Luke, you are FREE to walk right out of your prison-yard and onward. Total FREEDOM.

FREE-indeed.

Deliverance.

No jailer nor boss can lift a finger (not even the middle one) to stop you. The bosses may chase after you, but they cannot touch YOU. You are truly impervious to their mindset (which is anything but *right*). As a true acceptor, you see yourself as your Father in Heaven sees you. ALL of your “Evil” (of which your conscience has found you “guilty”) is erased. Terminated. ALL of your “wrongness” is rendered inconsequential.

Once the fear and the consequence of your “sin” and “evilness” and “wrongness” is taken AWAY, the deadly power of your disease (The Knowledge of Good & Evil) is destroyed.

You have done a reverse-metanoeo. You have changed your mind. Once again, you got your mind Truly-Right. Where it naturally belongs. Psychologically, this change of mind reboots your entire thinking system. It knocks the teeth out of the Big Boss — Master Knowledge of Good & Evil. Now, you own him.

As Commodore Perry reported, “We have met the enemy and he is ours.”

You have reduced him in rank from Master to janitor. Psychologically, “AWAY” drops a 200-megaton H-bomb on Master Knowledge of Good & Evil — the pinch part of the nuclear explosion that kills the entire power system. (See Ocean’s Eleven) Permanently.

So what? Why is that so important?

Oh, that is of huge universal importance. Scientifically? It is the true evolution of humanity AWAY from the knee on our necks, holding us back. And, ALL we have to do is simply accept it. With ALL of what we judge as *Evil* simply taken AWAY, our human-identity goes ALL the way back to the Garden of Eden. Before disaster struck.

AWAY makes Master Knowledge of Good & Evil... inconsequential.

I had an Agnostic friend, George, disagree. You should have heard him when he said it. He proclaimed it as if it were Scientific Law:

“We already HAVE The Knowledge of Good & Evil. We can’t erase it from our minds.”

It matters not. Granted, although we still retain our personal knowledge of Good & Evil, we have gained the ability to render the "Evil" part totally inconsequential. Instantaneously. Right in the middle of our existence here on planet Earth. Oh, yes, even as Master Knowledge of Good & Evil stands in the front yard of his plantation, cracking his whip and barking out his orders. Truly accepting that ALL of your “Evil” has been taken AWAY turns Master Knowledge of Good & Evil into a pillar of salt.

He is still there; however, he has been rendered motionless. Powerless:

Isaiah 10:27 (KJV) “And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken AWAY from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed.”

Check you guys later (more word to do),

The Third One

 

[The Learner]

Are you opposed to the biblical practice of infant baptism?

In Protestant Historical Churches it is called Dedication. I have witnessed both types of cemontories often. This does not include lower Churches like Baptists.

 

[theefaith]

In Protestant Historical Churches it is called Dedication. I have witnessed both types of cemontories often. This does not include lower Churches like Baptists.

that brings us to another problem
There is only church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 Jn 20:21 Jn 10:16 eph 2:20

more over this church cannot teach error Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth is immutable! Cannot change!

Truth and the church are divine!
They come from God and cannot be in error or imperfect so they cannot change or be reformed by man to say they can is blasphemy and treason against God who revealed them!

And same truths revealed by Christ and taught by the church are always believed and taught from the beginning when Christ taught his church in person! Jude 1:3 the faith once delivered to the saints or the deposit of faith eph 4:5 one faith!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus writes...

No, she does more than just write. At this moment in Time, from the very essence of what her humanity Truly is — a little child, kidnapped, bound and locked AWAY in a hole down in the basement — she shares with us… actually, she cries-out to us (and I have good ears). I can effortlessly hear you; oh, precious little one; even as your stifled voice remains locked AWAY in captivity.

IT is this point in a person’s Life, where the “prime directive” (within one’s way of thinking) changes from “IT’S ALL GOOD”...to…

“IT’S NOT ALL GOOD.”

warning; I've been told my writing is confusing; for one I am not good with grammar. I'm responding to a few quotes from your post; taking them one at a time. First) once again you achieved as they say 'you hit the nail on the head' so I am not discrediting what you wrote by asking questions or commenting with thoughts I have concerning those comments. what you did get immediately correct is my constant "back into remission" and also how I viewed my Judging started when I started reading the bible or came to church. You were right that my judging was there way before but became 100x worse, amplified to a whole new level of "preachy". But see, even there...All is good becomes; No it is NOT all good...Not my judging. Is All Good, or are some parts left out from Good; like my judging?

Here is the question when considering seeing "ALL is indeed Good." instead of what I was programmed "No, NOT ALL is Good."
wrong or right...I have saw my "a little child, kidnapped, bound and locked AWAY in a hole down in the basement" ...As good.
Instead of "Not ALL is Good." but instead "YES all is indeed good." in the beginning I didn't see being "a little child, kidnapped, bound and locked AWAY in a hole down in the basement" as good but instead as "Woe is Me!" Genuinely, and maybe I've been programmed wrong to think THIS WAY, but for me it was so foreign to abandon the "woe is ME' inconsideration of
"even if I make my bed in Hell itself, He is there with me." I get you may immediately shake your head in sadness thinking "no dear there is no hell." "That is a made up word?" maybe you will say this, but I don't know for sure. To me, taking the power away from the Master Guilt, Master Sin, Master Judge...I don't remember all of them; I do remember Master plantation owner in the front yard cracking the whip...to me taking that Masters power Away is:
"a child, kidnapped, bound and locked AWAY in a whole in the basement" where
"It is ALL Good" instead of "ALL in NOT GOOD."
Can you see that reversal of the Master plantation owner, jailer over the "prison" cell when even this; a little child, kidnapped, bound and locked AWAY in a hole down in the basement." (not literally, But IT is ALL Good.)

question...how is that "NOT good" when you speak of "ALL is good."

How can a child, kidnapped, bound and locked AWAY in a hole down in the basement ...be good..the plantation (owner)may beat upon his own head in frustration asking that very question, shouting "NOT good!" The plantation owner neglecting:

— she shares with us…;(how is this NOT good?
actually, she cries-out to us (and I have good ears); (again how is this NOT good?)
I can effortlessly hear you; oh, precious little one
even as your stifled voice remains locked AWAY in captivity (Not good?)
do you see the magnitude in that "even as" your stifled voice remains locked AWAY in captivity.

to me that is "indeed free"; "even as"
To me that is what so many verses speak of. Even into the depth of the deepest hole, even down into the pit, there is a song rising up of rejoicing "It is ALL good." Who the Son makes Free, is Free Indeed! For example "You didn't visit me when in prision." to me one can see as
"it is NOT ALL good" or instead it is ALL good ...including a childs cry from within a prison, crying out for compassion and mercy and truth...above all else Free... but crying out for a visit
to me when Christ said I will draw all men unto myself … that may be what he spoke of; drawing men to compassion, mercy and truth. To the cry of a child? (Not mine, but God's Child?)

does that make any sense? mostly, if All should be seen as good
why does it (the All is good);
change (suddenly)
toward a little child who cries and others hear?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

with no “ifs,” “ands” “buts” — what’s been done for us on the cross.

even the little child? (see above post)

I guess you would have to read ALL the posts (like four chapters in a book, at this point) — to be plainly aware of most of the biggest “ifs,” “ands” or “buts.”

good grief. it took me so many edits to post the above post; between my grammar in reading again what I posted saying "no that is not at all what I meant to write" and my computer stalling out...please be patient (everyone with all the edits until it is somewhat able to be read.)

which leads me to what you said above
"I guess you would have to read ALL the post (like four chapters in a book at this point)"
This helped; peculiar how it helped change my mind
My passion once was writing stories, creativity. (forget the grammar, hopefully no immediate judging thoughts of "I bet you really struggled with that." Yes, I did struggle. But I loved the creative process.
Then I was diagnosed with MS; where the brain fog I claimed "will not allow me to write anymore."
at first angry with God. Yes, shouting "This is not fair! Not at all good."
My mother asked me the other day "why don't you write anymore." honestly, I did not know she even remembered I liked writing.
My reply "Because I can't anymore."
You changed my mind @The Third One ; I just want you to know; when you commented (like four chapters in a book at this point)… It caused me to consider:
I've been posting for somewhere around...at least four years here... how many chapters that would be now? all the while claiming not able to do something, while unknowingly doing it. Insanity maybe was my blaming God, while writing; how many chapters would four years make
Just a thought. Thanks for the new perspective totality dissolving being angry or even claiming "I can't.I'm sick."

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Perhaps, if you’re familiar with those chapters (as well as my take on things), you can imagine my astonishment... and outright glee! To appreciate my accelerated youthful glory in this, you have to understand, this was the first time I had ever read Romans (nor had I ever, prior to this, heard any of these verses). Paul was intellectually making the exact same arguments as had I (on many occasions), in vigorous debates with my Christian friends, whose religious philosophies were dismal and chalked full of error. I was terrific at getting ALL of my well-thought-out points across to them (yet with not one precious pearl penetrating their deaf and distrusting ears); for, I could never defend my solid position with Scripture.

And, yet, here it was!

In the very “Bible” that these (as I saw them) “misguided morons” had been thumping at me!

I was actually yelling, “Go Paul!” at the top of my lungs, as I drew stars, underlines and exclamation marks by each confirming verse! Unbeknown to me, in the midst of ALL of this emotional, intellectual and spiritual ecstasy, I was quickly approaching The Second Floor (becoming High In the Spirit). And, in the back of my mind, I keep wondering: “How could ALL these Christians have gotten it so very wrong for ALL these years? My God, it’s right here, in print! Are they reading the same Bible as I?

In short time, I got my answer to those booming questions.

As I read Romans 6:16 (for the first time in my Life), my mouth almost hit the carpet, while my spirit zoomed to the Fifth Floor. Up there, I saw Paul’s “plane crash” from every possible perspective. Including the Absolute “eye-witness perspective” (which you wouldn’t “believe” if I told you).

it might help if you shared...what you spoke of here...including the Absolute "eye-witness perspective" (which you wouldn't "believe" if I told you).
because if I'm being honest I just don't see Paul's "plane crash" from every possible perspective.
why did you use those words "plane crash" ...maybe it will help to understand what you are saying if I understood why those words "plane crash" were the choice of words. right now, again, I just don't see it. For starters, and maybe my stuck in my own way of thinking, you have mentioned John in the title as presuming too much, and then Paul's "plane crash" ...isn't that judging John and Paul? because earlier where I mentioned my judging went to a whole new level of judging...that was it; all of a sudden convinced I am always the right one and "oh how every one else falls short." for example, judging family and friends' every action as not where it should be, or where I WANT it to be, which makes me the Judge and Jury because "My conscience says, that is wrong to do." "It could be better." instead of "thank you." "wow, that was good." isn't that the same outlook of Paul, or John's assuming too much? I am not bashing, I am asking?

You mentioned Romans 6:16 as Pauls' crash.
what do you see there that indicates Pauls' crash?
I see,...that maybe Paul was not so far off from what you also have been saying:
paraphrasing to help get a thought across: Do you (not yet) know that when you continually offer yourselves to someone to do his will, you are slaves--under the Master whom you obey.

Either.

[Slaves] to the one in the front yard of the plantation cracking a whip; master guilt, master sin, master disguise, master keeper of all wrongs? (can't remember the rest, and might of added a few)….which leads to death(bitterness, hatred, divisions from master guilt, master disguise, master keeper of all wrongs.). isn't this the same as what you said: an unchanged mind leads to death?

Or of obedience (Judge not, change your mind, take the judge to the curb) which leads to righteousness (right standing with God.)
isn't that the same as what you said...that when you "Judge not", that when you change your mind, when you boot "the judge" to the curb; taking the judge to the trashbin...this leads to righteousness (you mentioned so many wonder blessing that are finally made possible); a changed mind = "right standing with God."

what do you see though that says Paul crashed in Romans 6:16?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Speaking of Master guilt, Master sin, Master plantation owner cracking his whip, Master jailer, Master fear, Master disguise…

Romans 6:15-18 MSG
So, since we're out from under the old tyranny, does that mean we can live any old way we want? Since we're free in the freedom of God, can we do anything that comes to mind? Hardly. You know well enough from your own experience that there are some acts of so-called freedom 2 Peter 2:19 They promise them liberty, when they themselves are the slaves of depravity-for by whatever anyone is defeated and overcome, to that [person, thing, philosophy, or concept] he is continually enslaved.

There are some acts of so-called freedom, that destroy freedom. (A changed mind)Offer yourselves to sin, for instance, and it's your last free act. (Of having a changed mind)

But offer yourselves to the ways of God and the freedom never quits. All your lives you've let sin tell you what to do. But thank God you've started listening to a new master, one whose commands set you free to live openly in his freedom! (A freedom that never quits)?

do see “a changed mind”
More than “repent!” Master crack whip!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I serve a mighty God; one who cares for his own.
There are no big I's & small you's in God's love. He gifts to those that seek knowledge, wisdom & understanding.

He neither sees age not gender but his eyes are upon those who do and seek to do his will. Life is only in him.

The Word is not secret nor select to certain special ones but is to all whom believe and seek.

May grace be granted to his children, forgiveness be accepted by the unbelievers, and his love & unity be among the fellowship of believers of his word.

 

[BeyondET]

What a statement. "What are (my) credentials for declaring our Bible is wrong?"

It's not just "our Bible," I guess YOU should define whom you are representing as "our." It is my Bible, too. It's everyone's Bible. It's the only Bible we've got... what's been passed down to us, anyway.

Wow. I need "credentials"? Perhaps this SHOULD be a blog. (lol) However, let's keep it here for now, so we can iron out a few things in discussion first. Okay?

Credentials? What would you accept as "credentials"? Is this where I am supposed to share my background? My theological instruction? My degrees? My “salvation story”?

As far back as I can remember (way before the “structured” Box) I have always had an exceptionally close relationship with God the Father. That is my one and only credential that I consider worth mentioning. I can still vividly remember a game we used to play when I was four-years-old. Today (at sixty-one) we still play the game together. Unfortunately, not just for the pure fun it, as we used to when I was little.

I am surprised that no theologian in the room dared to hazard a guess as to what Jesus is actually saying to Peter, here, in his goodbye speech. I gave you all plenty of clues. The best clue is what Jesus tells us at John 8:34 (NIV) “Very truly I tell you, anyone who sins is a slave of sin.”

At the writing of this response, over 100 people have viewed the initial posting.

There has been no apologetic argument from anyone in the room against the premise of the post: That it is out of the question for Jesus to be referring to Peter’s death (at John 21:18)... as John mistakenly assumed. That is a given. Are we all good on that? Unless anyone would like to jump in at this point and defend the impossibility that Jesus is referring to Peter’s death by saying to Peter: “But when you are old, you will extend your hands and another will gird you, and carry you where you do not want to go.”

Are we all clear? Okay. The affirmative premise is an undisputed fact.

I am not berating the Apostle John for his mistake; nor do I encourage anyone else to do so. It was an honest mistake. You, me, kings, popes, clergymen, theologians, apologetics, the common man — we all accepted this (now obvious mistake) as “Gospel” for almost 2000 years.

At this point, we can proceed under the established fact that Jesus is certainly NOT referring to Peter’s death, as he warns Peter: “But when you are old, you will extend your hands and ANOTHER will gird you, and carry you where you do not want to go.”

So then. What is Jesus actually warning Peter about? And, who is ANOTHER?

What is Jesus saying here?

Much more than merely a declaration. More than just a warning.

It is a prophecy.

It is a prophecy for what the future holds for this most important vessel, which is Peter. Specifically, it is a prophecy for what the future holds to the importance of the Word that Jesus has entrusted with Peter... so that the Bread of Life may proliferate across the entire world. Five times Jesus tells Peter: "YOU follow me," "YOU feed my sheep."

This dire prophecy (from the very lips of Jesus) is not about something that might happen. No. This dire prophecy (from the very lips of Jesus) concerns what “WILL” happen. This dire prophecy (from the very lips of Jesus) concerns what actually DID happen.

“The Church” was built, for the most part, by following the word of ANOTHER. Not by following THE Word — the vigilant tutelage of Jesus, taught day-in and day-out to his hand-picked Apostles. Nope. The Church was built by following the words of an outsider. ANOTHER. A Pharisee. A Pharisee-Extremist, yet. That's the Truth. Our Religion revolves entirely around Christology.

Commonly known as "Christianity."

Jesus warned his disciples; yet, they disregarded his command. “Verily, verily! Tell NO ONE I am the Christ!”

So... here we are. Faith in CHRIST is what counts. CHRIST is punished in the place of us sinners. The redemption that is in CHRIST. We become transformed into the image of CHRIST. By diligently following the complete moral example of CHRIST. Together, we are the Body of CHRIST! Have you accepted CHRIST as your Lord and Savior? Yes! I know that I have! For, I am no longer living as I, rather, it is CHRIST living in me!

It is counterproductive to OUR LIVES for anything, even Jesus as a Person, to become more important to us than each and every one of us truly accepting what he did for us on the cross.

Jesus despised ALL Religion; yet, he inadvertently became one.

Take note: It is not called WHAT’S-BEEN-DONE-FOR-US-ON-THE-CROSSianity.

It is called CHRISTianity.

The A-Plan? Jesus wished for Peter to feed the Good News to the world. Apostle Peter’s roots were FREE and untwisted by Religion. Considered a “sinful man” in his day (for he did as he pleased), Peter begged Jesus to leave him be when they first met, claiming his lifestyle was far too coarse for Jesus to even be in his presence.

Peter spent three years, day-in and day-out, with Jesus. Peter’s roots became nurtured. Not with Religion. Rather, with Good News. And, so... before he physically left the first century, Jesus personally appointed Good-News-Rooted Peter to feed the Words of Life to the people of Creation. The Word would naturally spread across the world in down-to-earth common language. Yes, Jesus wanted Peter to write the Gospel of Jesus — the Gospel of PERFECT-Grace. Common folk. Hearing ALL of Jesus’ commonsense. From a common fisherman.

It never happened.

Instead, ANOTHER took over.

What DID happen to the Good Seed Jesus WAS able to plant? It got salted with Weeds -- Tares and Thistles. Using lovely intelligent/poetic language (fragmented in religious garble), ANOTHER re-taught the Words of Life to Jesus’ hand-picked Apostle, Peter... and... to everyone else.

So, here we are, folks. Our stomachs bloated with ANOTHER'S thirteen-course meal.

Peter admitted, “(ANOTHER'S) words are hard to understand.” (2 Peter 3:16)

You said it, brother. Same as Mein Kampf is hard to understand. Compared to the simplicity of what Jesus taught.

Still, Peter swore to us by ANOTHER, calling his words, “Wisdom given unto him.” (2 Peter 3:15)

No surprise why Peter’s words became hard to understand. ANOTHER takes over the ship (like a pirate) and Peter gets the job of parrot on ANOTHER'S shoulder. Read the Gospels. Jesus never taught any of these words to Peter. Read Peter’s First Epistle. Far beyond three denials, 1 Peter puts the Reality of “the cross” in the back of the bus — in favor of pursuing self-righteousness. Just listen to Parrot-Peter, squawking out ANOTHER'S words:

“Sanctification!” “Unto obedience!” (“Obedience” now being job one.) Sloppy seconds? “AND... the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.” Pete, what about simply... taking... what’s been done for us on the cross? Taking? No! It’s a cleansing. ANOTHER calls it “a sacrifice.” “We’re sprinkled with the precious blood of Christ — the Lamb without blemish!” Whoa, slow down, Pete. Jesus calls it “a RANSOM.” That’s not important! Your “incorruptible and undefiled inheritance” is “reserved for you in heaven!” Reserved for us in Heaven? What about now, Pete? (Yikes. As for “Now?”) “Ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations!”

Peter is not talking about PERFECT-Grace killing sin; Peter is talking about sin, killing PERFECT-Grace.

“Corruption through lust!” caused by “Covetousness!” leading to “Damnation!”

These are ANOTHER'S words. Forming a Jesus Parable: The Fisherman Taught By the Pharisee.

Despised all religion where's that at?. Sat down with some elders intrigued.

 

[BeyondET]

All your lives you've let sin tell you what to do.

How did you get to know that about all the lives that are?

 

[BeyondET]

Seems to be the fad these days reinventing the wheel.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

How did you get to know that about all the lives that are?

I’m not sure what you are asking? “How did you get to know that about all the lives that are?”
First I only quoted a passage.
if I understood your question: How did you get to know… do you mean personally? The passage says “by experience” which I can relate to.

To answer your question the best I can: this is a topic ongoing in my family. Not just in this board. Not just by reading the Bible. But by experience also. Our oldest daughter texted the other day out of nowhere and asked “how does one change their mind?” We don’t talk about the Bible or this Christian board so I was surprised by her question.

there is a letting sin tell you what to do …recycled on and on in our family:
My husband and I
Down to both our daughters
Down to our grandchildren
Of “all your lives you have let sin tell you what to do” I could relate and cling to the analogy of master plantation owner cracking his whip, master jailer, master fear it is never enough, master sin, master jump and perform now roll over backwards to be anywhere pleasing…
you ask how do I know? by being consumed by insecurity as being not secure or stable..by that voice of opposition “opposing themselves” as unloved, unworthy, incapable, sick, paralyzed to do anything God created to be, as no vessel containing any treasure, stuck, captive to “can’t” or “Won’t” and …you were told to back-away instead of “come near”
Where every one around me recycles that same frightened and paralyzed voice within of destruction and tear down. Surprised by how many carry that same question—or message “how do you change your mind”? To be no longer in opposition.. but for? Maybe that doesn’t make sense but if I understand your question my answer is: by experience.
All things work together for good?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

How did you get to know that about all the lives that are?

and now thinking about it further
What @The Third One said about taking it to the curb. To me helps with: to the lake of fire to be destroyed; take it out to be burned up. I remember being told that the word says it is those fearful that go into the fire first…I was told this in relation to how much I need to get over panic-attacks and anxiety and fear; if not I could very well be one of those the Word speaks of that are thrown into the fire first.

Do you see the so-called help there? “what …!!” :you are telling me I’m the worse of all and will be the first God gets rid of by a tossing me in the lake of fire??? This Hyped my panic-attacks, anxiety and fear to a whole new level…sky-high and thru the roof…::: like at the fair stepping up to play that game..when that hammer comes down and that bell is struck ..IF you are strong enough…but this was no getting your choosing of a stuffed animal.

actually now though… I’m considering it as beautiful and helpful: fearfulness first tossed in and burned up in the presence of God. No longer seeing this as a bad thing, but “Yes Please God, I agree, get rid of it.”

 

[ScottA]

When you gained The Knowledge of Good & Evil, you got your mind “right” by the jailors’ perspective. You truly accepted, 100%, with no ifs, ands or buts, the conceptual Reality that SOME portion of a human being (uh, that would include you) is *Evil.*

You got your mind... wrong. Granted, you had a world-full of help from ALL of your jailers — victims themselves of the same prison. And, at some point, your mind was overwhelmingly beaten into submission.

A true acceptor (GIFT-ACCEPTED stamped upon the brain) can easily dismiss the insane ravings of an entire world of jailers. Victims themselves of the same prison. Same as Cool Hand Luke gave ALL of his jailers and bosses the middle finger. You can, too. Only, much easier for you. Unlike Cool Hand Luke, you are FREE to walk right out of your prison-yard and onward. Total FREEDOM.

FREE-indeed.

Deliverance.

No jailer nor boss can lift a finger (not even the middle one) to stop you. The bosses may chase after you, but they cannot touch YOU. You are truly impervious to their mindset (which is anything but *right*). As a true acceptor, you see yourself as your Father in Heaven sees you. ALL of your “Evil” (of which your conscience has found you “guilty”) is erased. Terminated. ALL of your “wrongness” is rendered inconsequential.

Once the fear and the consequence of your “sin” and “evilness” and “wrongness” is taken AWAY, the deadly power of your disease (The Knowledge of Good & Evil) is destroyed.

You have done a reverse-metanoeo. You have changed your mind. Once again, you got your mind Truly-Right. Where it naturally belongs. Psychologically, this change of mind reboots your entire thinking system. It knocks the teeth out of the Big Boss — Master Knowledge of Good & Evil. Now, you own him.

As Commodore Perry reported, “We have met the enemy and he is ours.”

You have reduced him in rank from Master to janitor. Psychologically, “AWAY” drops a 200-megaton H-bomb on Master Knowledge of Good & Evil — the pinch part of the nuclear explosion that kills the entire power system. (See Ocean’s Eleven) Permanently.

So what? Why is that so important?

Oh, that is of huge universal importance. Scientifically? It is the true evolution of humanity AWAY from the knee on our necks, holding us back. And, ALL we have to do is simply accept it. With ALL of what we judge as *Evil* simply taken AWAY, our human-identity goes ALL the way back to the Garden of Eden. Before disaster struck.

AWAY makes Master Knowledge of Good & Evil... inconsequential.

I had an Agnostic friend, George, disagree. You should have heard him when he said it. He proclaimed it as if it were Scientific Law:

“We already HAVE The Knowledge of Good & Evil. We can’t erase it from our minds.”

It matters not. Granted, although we still retain our personal knowledge of Good & Evil, we have gained the ability to render the "Evil" part totally inconsequential. Instantaneously. Right in the middle of our existence here on planet Earth. Oh, yes, even as Master Knowledge of Good & Evil stands in the front yard of his plantation, cracking his whip and barking out his orders. Truly accepting that ALL of your “Evil” has been taken AWAY turns Master Knowledge of Good & Evil into a pillar of salt.

He is still there; however, he has been rendered motionless. Powerless:

Isaiah 10:27 (KJV) “And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken AWAY from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed.”

Check you guys later (more word to do),

The Third One

I would encourage you to write less and say more. For example:

Being born into this world and coming to the knowledge of good and evil is to be born into a choice. That is what God has done. It's a gift, causing you to choose good or evil, life or death: The choice of evil ends in death, the choice of good ends in life for eternity. Evil then is destroyed--that is the end of it, and so commences eternal life and all that is good. But it's a choice.

God's method of this choice is that He has left a trail of breadcrumbs (so to speak). He has provided a ribbon of truth "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" that is like no other line of truth in all the world and all of history--and He has not kept it secret, but put as a light upon a hill for all to see. To find it and believe it, is to find life--yours. So choose.
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Two paragraphs. The problem with all the fluff is that you give opportunity for confusion. With what you wrote above, it could easily be concluded that you mean that this world can be fixed by us simply excepting that evil cannot touch us, and yet it can and does, and the world is not made new by us but is passing away as the scriptures say, and it is only made new by God, without whom we are not lifted up to it. Of ourselves we can do nothing, but by the power of God all things can and are made new. Which is ours if we choose life rather than death, good rather than evil.

 

[The Third One]

I am up to post #216 (I’ll get to what follows, after I catch up with ALL this) @theefaith & @The Learner are set, next for take off. Then the @VictoryinJesus Jumbo Jet (can’t wait to finally get this one in the air! Great questions girl! Right on the money! Then posts #217 through #219 (Welcome back ScottA, whose been a silent observer for awhile — no matter how smart he is, don’t let him kid you VictoryinJesus, truly accepting what’s been done for us on the cross TOTALLY insulates us from ALL evil. We’ll get to that in GOOD Time. (Stay with us my old, smart friend, ScottA). But the Tower says that BeyondET gets to cut in line ahead of ALL (unfair, unfair). (pouty faces).


@BeyondET writes,

“Seems to be the fad these days reinventing the wheel.”

After a serious look at our 2000 Year Progress Report, any caring person with any common sense would agree that IT sure seems to need to be “reinvented.”

“The wheel,” as IT has been passed down to us, is dreadfully broken.

IT is missing five spokes: RANSOM, AWAY, PERFECT, FREEDOM and ALL. What’s been done for us on the cross cannot be honestly accepted without them.

Manmade as it is, there have been chunks of wood chewed out of IT. And, the empty holes have been replaced with garbage.

@L3astAmOngManyB13ss3d mentions two of these “Word of God” for “word of man” Biblical replacements (“OVERDUBS” as I like to refer to them) in her last post:

“May (1)GRACE be granted to his children, (2)FORGIVENESS be accepted by the unbelievers.”

1) “PERFECT-Grace” has been turned into useless “grace.” Dear friends, there is a huge difference between “grace” (even if you throw the word “amazing” in front of it) and PERFECT-Grace. To gain PERFECT-Grace, one must come to the ground-zero awakening that the power of what’s been done for us on the cross works only one way. ALL by itself.

2) As for the Concept of “Sins taken AWAY” written this way, originally, throughout the Word. This has been replaced with a much more-modern, made-up word: “forgiveness.” (We have yet to discuss this one (yet); but, yes, there is no such word as “forgiveness” in the original Hebrew or Greek language.) And, so (obviously)… nowhere does... "forgive," "forgiven," "forgiveness" etcetera... appear in the original text of (what now entails) our entire Biblical canon. Remember, “AWAY” is one of our missing spokes.

Tell the Truth? Which would you rather have? Your cancer repetitively forgiven? Or your cancer completely taken AWAY?

There are other BIG ONES (other than 1 & 2 above) -- ONES which we have already discussed. The actual Word of God, “Change your mind,” has been overdubbed throughout the Bible with another pathetically useless, manmade word, “repent.”

And, last but not least, “Jesus’ gathering,” which includes ALL of humanity, from Adam and onward (yes, that’s the Holy Word of God for it: “gathering”) has been overdubbed with yet another manmade invention called... “church.”

We invented a country club for dues-paying Slaves of Sin.

Anyway, back to our broken wheel.

IT is infested with termites that have destroyed its very function: The “ifs,” “ands” and “buts,” in and of themselves, make true-acceptance nearly impossible for the Church-Taught Christian to affirm.

99.999999% of the world’s population, “believers” and “nonbelievers” alike, remain Slaves of Sin. You don’t “believe” me? Take it up with Jesus. Jesus said, “Anyone who sins is a Slave of Sin.”

You know what’s really bad? A broken wheel is a pathetic sight for “the rest of the world” to look at (you know — the two thirds of us humans (by “us” I mean ALL of us)… that ALL you Church-Taught guys like to refer to as “nonbelievers”).

A “broken wheel” promotes lawlessness to the most desperate among us. And, oh boy, we’ve got plenty of desperation and lawlessness going on, now don’t we? The 2000 years after John the Baptist announced, “Behold the Lamb of God who takes AWAY the sins of the world” has a worse Progress Report than the 2000 years before his announcement.

A “broken wheel” promotes apathy. There are so many among us humans, at this point, that just don’t give a damn anymore.

The best thing about a “broken wheel” is that IT promotes REALITY. (It should, shouldn’t it? When we see a broken wheel?) The rational part of humanity that cares about Truth is simply looking at a wheel that doesn’t work. Oh, well, then, it needs to be fixed? (Buzzer sound!) Wrong. "Holier ones" have already tried that. It's called "The Reformation." Oops. They only made it worse.

Our Father in Heaven says what's best. (Father knows best) He says, "Throw it AWAY, already! And, dig up "The Wheel" Jesus invented."

What was it us “Believers” were supposed to be? Oh, yeah. “The Light of the World.” “The Salt of the Earth.” Hardly. We “Believers” are... “The Fat Man Stuck In the Stairwell.” We can’t go up. And, because of us, nobody else can either.

The Living God of Light sees “the Church” as a abomination. It sickens Him that His name is associated with “the Church” in any way, shape or form; “ALL its leaders, members and visitors aside; for, they are, by far, the most damaged victims of it!” so says the Lord God Almighty.

I know... us “Christians” tend to think of ourselves as “the Church.”

Every Christian should fall on his or her face and be thankful that our Father in Heaven does not see us that way.

The God’s-honest Truth? I’m trying to help restore The Wheel which Jesus left for us. PERFECTLY intact.

It is Paul of Tarsus who “reinvented” The Wheel.

Starting at Romans 6:16.

Stick around, BeyondET. We are about to take a very serious look at exactly “Where The Wheel Got Broken.” See, @VictoryinJesus, that’s another GOOD way to put IT. “Where The Wheel Got Broken.” VictoryinJesus, knows that I refer to it as “The Plane Crash.” That’s a pretty good metaphor as well: “Where The Wheel Got Broken.”