Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

[Matthias]

I have told you multiple times now

three persons (Let US make man in OUR image)

one God

And God (united as 1) said, Let US make man in OUR IMAGE (plural)

its not rocket science

What does it look like when it’s translated plural? This trinitarian (@Johann) helpfully shows us (in his thread titled, Did Christians “invent” the Trinity?):

“. HaShema - Deut. 6:4. Hear, O Israel: Jehovah (singular) our Gods (plural) [is] a unioned/unified Jehovah (singular).”

Bold is mine.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Gods. Plural.

God. Singular.

It’s English.

God is ONE (singular)

but THREE IN PERSON (plural)

not sure why you can not understand what I am saying..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What does it look like when it’s translated plural? This trinitarian (@Johann) helpfully shows us (in his thread titled, Did Christians “invent” the Trinity?):

“. HaShema - Deut. 6:4. Hear, O Israel: Jehovah (singular) our Gods (plural) [is] a unioned/unified Jehovah (singular).”

Bold is mine.

When God is mentioned in singular. the hebrew word YHWH or jehova is used

When God is mentioned in plural. elohim is used.

The bible was not written in english my friend.

 

[Matthias]

God is ONE (singular)

but THREE IN PERSON (plural)

not sure why you can not understand what I am saying..

I understand what you’re saying. Among other things, I’m an ex-trinitarian.

“God” is singular, not plural.

“Persons” is plural, not singular.

 

[Matthias]

When God is mentioned in singular. the hebrew word YHWH or jehova is used

Not always.

When God is mentioned in plural. elohim is used.

That’s false.

The bible was not written in english my friend.

That’s true.

 

[Matthias]

When God is mentioned in singular. the hebrew word YHWH or jehova is used

The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is the personal name of the one God (singular).

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Abraham.

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Isaac.

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Jacob.

YHWH is the God (singular) of Israel.

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Moses.

YHWH is the God (singular) of the Jesus.

There is no God (singular) besides YHWH. Everything else is idols.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I understand what you’re saying. Among other things, I’m an ex-trinitarian.

“God” is singular, not plural.

“Persons” is plural, not singular.

God. when used in context of a Godhead. can be singular

So no. you do not quite understand what I am saying

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is the personal name of the one God (singular).

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Abraham.

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Isaac.

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Jacob.

YHWH is the God (singular) of Israel.

YHWH is the one God (singular) of Moses.

YHWH is the God (singular) of the Jesus.

There is no God (singular) besides YHWH. Everything else is idols.

with the exception of your last example.

YHWH is pre-incarnate Christ.

I already showed. Christ spoke in the burning bush. Christ created the earth and holds it in his hand. Christ is the first and the last. He is the god of Israel Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[Matthias]

God. when used in context of a Godhead. can be singular

So no. you do not quite understand what I am saying

Please continue talking then. I’m fully trained in trinitarianism and taught it in college.

 

[Matthias]

with the exception of your last example.

YHWH is pre-incarnate Christ.

I already showed. Christ spoke in the burning bush. Christ created the earth and holds it in his hand. Christ is the first and the last. He is the god of Israel Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

There is no God besides YHWH.

Jesus has a God and his God is YHWH.

All you’ve shown me, so far, is that you have a weak grasp of trinitarian theology.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Please continue talking then. I’m fully trained in trinitarianism and taught it in college.

lol.

Yet you do not understand three persons united as one God in diety

please do not tell me you understand when you do not.

 

[Matthias]

lol.

Yet you do not understand three persons united as one God in diety

That’s false.

please do not tell me you understand when you do not.

I won’t, at least not intentionally.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is no God besides YHWH.

Jesus has a God and his God is YHWH.

All you’ve shown me, so far, is that you have a weak grasp of trinitarian theology.

lol.. No my friend, it is you who has a weak grasp of what the trinity is

Your so called college did not help you at all

you did not respond to my post.. Isaiah answers your question about who the lord God of Israel is


Isaiah 48: 12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. 14 '"All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. 16 Come ye near unto me, Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I, and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s false.



I won’t, at least not intentionally.

yet you keep saying Gods should be used not God

if you understood you would not say that

 

[Matthias]

lol.. No my friend, it is you who has a weak grasp of what the trinity is

Your so called college did not help you at all

Every trinitarian should know that “God” (Heb. elohim / Gk. theos isn’t plural. You didn’t.

you did not respond to my post.. Isaiah answers your question about who the lord God of Israel is


Isaiah 48: 12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. 14 '"All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. 16 Come ye near unto me, Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I, and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Did you ask me to respond to it? Did you check to see how I’ve responded to it when others did?

 

[Matthias]

yet you keep saying Gods should be used not God

Never. Absolutely not.

if you understood you would not say that

Because I understand, I haven’t said that.

 

[theefaith]

What does it look like when it’s translated plural? This trinitarian (@Johann) helpfully shows us (in his thread titled, Did Christians “invent” the Trinity?):

“. HaShema - Deut. 6:4. Hear, O Israel: Jehovah (singular) our Gods (plural) [is] a unioned/unified Jehovah (singular).”

Bold is mine.

mine divine nature
Three persons

 

[Matthias]

mine divine nature
Three persons

God (singular), not Gods (plural).

The rendering of elohim offered by Johann is blasphemous in trinitarianism, binitarianism and unitarianism.

 

[Matthias]

“. HaShema - Deut. 6:4. Hear, O Israel: Jehovah (singular) our Gods (plural) [is] a unioned/unified Jehovah (singular).”

This should have immediately been rejected by trinitarians.

“Gods” is plural - just as the trinitarian who offered the translation said - but that’s not what Moses wrote. It’s not what Moses believed. It’s not what trinitarianism teaches. It’s not what binitarianism teaches. It’s not what unitarianism teaches.

What did Moses write?

“God” - singular.

That’s what Moses wrote. That’s what Moses believed. That’s what trinitarianism teaches. That’s what binitarianism teaches. That’s what unitarianism teaches.

Don’t ever allow a voice on the internet to persuade you that I think it should be “Gods”.

“Gods” = a blasphemous (mis)translation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Every trinitarian should know that “God” (Heb. elohim / Gk. theos isn’t plural. You didn’t.

Sorry my friend. I have been a trinitarian for over 40 years. and I know many others. We all know elohim is plural..

Did you ask me to respond to it? Did you check to see how I’ve responded to it when others did?

yet here you are here again not responding to it. why?