Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Robert Gwin]

Yes according to the Watchtower twisted philosophy. but the Bible declares differently! One passage should make you repent of this lie if you were an honest bible student:

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus said- DESTROY MY BODY AND IN THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE MY BODY FROM THE GRAVE!!!!!

NOT HIS SPIRIT,BUT HIS BODY!

No sir, you don't for if you agree with jesus then you would agree with this passage:

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


But you are forbidden to by your Watchtower indoctrinators and they keep you from the kingdom!

Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Not only are they not entering the kingdom if they died in their unbelief- but they have made you two fold more the child of hell than they are! This is not what Jesus, nor I wish for you.

What does that have to do with Jesus being called God Ron?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Its 100% obvious Jesus didnt teach what he taught for nothing. So by you making the statement that you dont think one needs to obey all the commands proves 100% you dont teach what Jesus taught-- A super important teaching every true follower does already= Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT-years of study to learn and apply every utterance. And since every word from Jesus originated from God,( John 5:30) he meant every single word.

And once again you make yourself a liar! for I never said this. I said one does not need to obey 100% of Jesus commands in order to be saved. Obedience is a result of being saved, not in order to get saved, stay saved etc.

I will accept your apology.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Only one in darkness would condemn the only translation by translators who actually loved God enough to support his will by putting his name back in the nearly 7000 spots he willed it to be. By satans will wicked men who had no right removed Gods name. Thus reality is--Those using the altered translations are being mislead to support satans will over Gods will. Even Jerome told the Pope Gods name belonged in the NT and OT. Before he translated to the latin Vulgate. I dont know if the name was allowed in the Vulgate.

And show me that namke.

It MAY be Jehovah. It may be Yahweh. It may be Jihevuh. It may be Yuhwah. eTc.etc.etc.etc. The vowel points were never added.

Teh watchtower false translators use a trinitarian created name to add to their mistraanslations.

You worry about a name (straining at a gnat) God is not so fragile as to worry about whether His name is mentioned or not. If He were He would have told Us!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes sir Ron, I fully agree. That would also apply to every spirit being who was not the one true God as well.

Well as only two other spirit beings are called God and they are ot false- they are part of the one true God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Once again you reject that the Hebrew calls God a compound one! Like we would say there are 50 states that compose the ONE United States of America! There is but one United States of America but it is composed of fifty individual states.

Just like God- there is only one God but He is composed of three equally eternal, divine beings- Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your watchtower and ours differ sir, that is very likely why we are of a different faith. Jesus of course did not say that, that was your words. Best not to add to or subtract from. I disagree of course. But again I understand why you feel that way, and if it were not for other evidence from the rest of the Bible, I would believe that as well.

Lying again! I have no watchtower!

but now you also call Jesus a liar- for He told the pharisees, that if they destroyed HIs body, He would raise HIs body form the grave in three days! He did not say that exactly- but only one totally bereft of any understanding of words would say He did not mean exactly that frlm the passage I cited!

Jesus declared He would raise His body from teh grave in three days! and He did ---Sir.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What does that have to do with Jesus being called God Ron?

Now you are going to have to think for yourself and see two passages of SCripture and see the truth the Watchtower keeps from you.

John 2:

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus said He would raise His body from the grave!

Acts 13:28-30
King James Version

28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.

29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

30 But God raised him from the dead:


Here God raised Jesus from teh grave.

Neither passage is lying because as it says in JOhn 1:

John 1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is no word other in John 1:3- that was sinfully added by the hounds of hell who wrote the New World Mistranslation!

When pressed in court in sworn testimony- He showed He could not read Greek nor Hebrew, ands he was the one who was supposed to approve the writings of those anonymous pseudo scholars.

 

[Keiw]

The "Ark" is just a metaphor for a "DNA Repository craft" capable of storing millions of tiny DNA samples..:)

Are you calling Jesus a liar-Luke 17:26--he was an eyewitness to the flood event.

 

[Keiw]

And once again you make yourself a liar! for I never said this. I said one does not need to obey 100% of Jesus commands in order to be saved. Obedience is a result of being saved, not in order to get saved, stay saved etc.

I will accept your apology.

One may think they are saved, but Jesus assures all at Matt 24:13--those who have endured until their end( death or armageddon) will be saved. Endured what? Living now 24/7,365 doing Jesus' Fathers will in this satan ruled system of things. There isnt a mortal living who has the right to tell another-you are saved--he does not know. Every command from Jesus is his Fathers will.

 

[Keiw]

And show me that namke.

It MAY be Jehovah. It may be Yahweh. It may be Jihevuh. It may be Yuhwah. eTc.etc.etc.etc. The vowel points were never added.

Teh watchtower false translators use a trinitarian created name to add to their mistraanslations.

You worry about a name (straining at a gnat) God is not so fragile as to worry about whether His name is mentioned or not. If He were He would have told Us!

He did nearly 7000 x in his written word=the tetragramoton = YHWH or YHVH= Jehovah. Jesus promised to keep on making his Fathers name known( John 17:26)--he has, through his 1 real religion that he leads. And through those followers. Trinitarians didnt create Gods name. It was always his name. Those that love God and respect his will have put his name back in the places he willed it to be.

 

[Dropship]

The "Ark" is just a metaphor for a "DNA Repository craft" capable of storing millions of tiny DNA samples..:)

Are you calling Jesus a liar-Luke 17:26--he was an eyewitness to the flood event.

Jesus was using the Ark story as a symbol for judgement day when the "floodwaters" sweep away all nonchristians while Christians stay high and dry..:)

 

[Keiw]

Jesus was using the Ark story as a symbol for judgement day when the "floodwaters" sweep away all nonchristians while Christians stay high and dry..:)

Only by twisting what Jesus stated. No one can see it from Jesus words what you are saying. He was comparing these last days to Noahs day,( 99.9% mislead) saying the world took no note then and in these last days. Todays world=2Timothy 3-- Most dont realize in Noahs day, those loved their families and friends--its not enough--Jesus teaches that love must also go to ones enemies. But pride gets in the way and the majority have return evil for evil predetermined in their hearts for their enemies. Vengeance is mine said the Lord--they think that vengeance is theirs to apply, but they are mistaken.

 

[Dropship]

Incidentally why do JW's call God Jehovah?
I thought only heathens slapped names on their "gods and goddesses" like in this Egyptian freak show..:)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

One may think they are saved, but Jesus assures all at Matt 24:13--those who have endured until their end( death or armageddon) will be saved. Endured what? Living now 24/7,365 doing Jesus' Fathers will in this satan ruled system of things. There isnt a mortal living who has the right to tell another-you are saved--he does not know. Every command from Jesus is his Fathers will.

Wrong again! YOu are once again adding to teh Scriptures. Matt 24 is about enduring to the end of armageddon, and not death as you wrongfully added.

One who is a believer is saved and is hidden. It is Christ who lives in me now!

Colossians 3:2-4
King James Version

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Notice colossians? I shall appear with Him! Not maybe if I did enough good or endured or etc.etc. When God the Father looks down at me- He sees Jesus and not me!

This is th egreat mystery that sets a believer free to freely love and serve and the legalistic and unsaved mind does not comprehend.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

He did nearly 7000 x in his written word=the tetragramoton = YHWH or YHVH= Jehovah. Jesus promised to keep on making his Fathers name known( John 17:26)--he has, through his 1 real religion that he leads. And through those followers. Trinitarians didnt create Gods name. It was always his name. Those that love God and respect his will have put his name back in the places he willed it to be.

Once again you nor the Watchtower can be sure those are the right vowels! YOu are guessing.

 

[Robert Gwin]

And once again you make yourself a liar! for I never said this. I said one does not need to obey 100% of Jesus commands in order to be saved. Obedience is a result of being saved, not in order to get saved, stay saved etc.

I will accept your apology.

I might word it a bit differently Ron, salvation is a result of obedience not the other way around. I will elaborate a bit further on it as well, based on our qualifications. If we are unable, then salvation is guaranteed, unless God is unjust of course.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I might word it a bit differently Ron, salvation is a result of obedience not the other way around. I will elaborate a bit further on it as well, based on our qualifications. If we are unable, then salvation is guaranteed, unless God is unjust of course.

Wrong agan that is the very thing Paul condemned in the Galatians! They believeed a gospel of works.

obedience-works, I don't think even the most darkened minds in teh Watchtower do not believe that!

Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved forever apart from works! It is all because of Jesus death and physical resurrection.

Now we are saved to do good works, but are not saved or kept saved by good works.

Works are the result of a person being saved.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Well as only two other spirit beings are called God and they are ot false- they are part of the one true God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Once again you reject that the Hebrew calls God a compound one! Like we would say there are 50 states that compose the ONE United States of America! There is but one United States of America but it is composed of fifty individual states.

Just like God- there is only one God but He is composed of three equally eternal, divine beings- Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Bible teaches that although there are many gods and lords, there are 2 real ones sir. They are really represented by the two roads, with Jehovah being the road to life, and satan being the road to destruction. All humans on earth are counted with one of them. The sad thing is you have to choose to side with Jehovah, and do absolutely nothing to be destroyed with satan.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Lying again! I have no watchtower!

but now you also call Jesus a liar- for He told the pharisees, that if they destroyed HIs body, He would raise HIs body form the grave in three days! He did not say that exactly- but only one totally bereft of any understanding of words would say He did not mean exactly that frlm the passage I cited!

Jesus declared He would raise His body from teh grave in three days! and He did ---Sir.

I am fully aware that you have none sir, why would you? Jesus did not say that, and the Bible states otherwise. We are so priviledged to have the faithful slave that feeds us well. Jehovah provides well sir.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Bible teaches that although there are many gods and lords, there are 2 real ones sir. They are really represented by the two roads, with Jehovah being the road to life, and satan being the road to destruction. All humans on earth are counted with one of them. The sad thing is you have to choose to side with Jehovah, and do absolutely nothing to be destroyed with satan.

Yes Jehovah is th eroad to life- Jesus said it of HImself, "I am the Way"

Satan is not a real god sir! He is an imposter to any throne.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Now you are going to have to think for yourself and see two passages of SCripture and see the truth the Watchtower keeps from you.

John 2:

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus said He would raise His body from the grave!

Acts 13:28-30
King James Version

28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.

29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

30 But God raised him from the dead:


Here God raised Jesus from teh grave.

Neither passage is lying because as it says in JOhn 1:

John 1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is no word other in John 1:3- that was sinfully added by the hounds of hell who wrote the New World Mistranslation!

When pressed in court in sworn testimony- He showed He could not read Greek nor Hebrew, ands he was the one who was supposed to approve the writings of those anonymous pseudo scholars.

You added this sir: Jesus said He would raise His body from the grave! That was an opinion, not actual scripture. Like I said if that was the only passage dealing with the subject I would agree with you. If believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved was the only passage in the Bible I would believe that as well, but we Christians take the Bible as a whole Ron!