Then why did the translators of your selected version use a god at Acts 28:6? The fact is sir they altered Jn 1:1 to support the trinity doctrine, and that is the truth.
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Then why did the translators of your selected version use a god at Acts 28:6? The fact is sir they altered Jn 1:1 to support the trinity doctrine, and that is the truth.
I pretty much agree with most of that Marks, Jesus did humble himself, became flesh, and died for us on the stauros, that we might have life. He worshipped Jehovah like you said, and instructed his followers to do so as well.
Don't you mean Michael "humbled himself", and became Jesus, a servant, a sacrifice? Until he again resumed being Michael?
We are not talking about the same Jesus. Do you realize that?
Much love!
I have not said that Jesus worshipped "Jehovah", so please do not misrepresent me.
It seems that you will change my wording to look like yours, in the same way that you did the Bible. It is completely dishonest. There is no need to continue.
Much love!
Webers_Home
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The Bible's high priesthood is a channel between Man and God that-- to my
knowledge --has never been held by angels. It's always been held by human
beings; specifically male human beings; beginning in the Old Testament with
a mysterious guy named Melchizedek. (Gen 14:18-20)
• Heb 5:1 . . . For every high priest taken from among men is appointed in
behalf of men over the things pertaining to God
Jesus Christ is a high priest.
• Heb 5:4 . . Also, a man takes this honor, not of his own accord, but only
when he is called by God, just as Aaron also was.
• Heb 5:10 . . He has been specifically called by God a high priest.
Christ, then, is a mediator between the supreme being and the human
being.
• 1Tim 2:5 . . There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a
man, Christ Jesus.
The Greek word translated "men" is the same word translated "a man". It's
derived from anthropos (anth'-ro-pos) --a common word for h.sapiens in the
New Testament; which is why that passage doesn't say the one mediator is
an angel. No it doesn't say an angel; rather, it says a man; and the man's
name is Christ Jesus rather than Christ Michael.
Now; the Watchtower Society has a very, very serious problem with Christ
Jesus. The thing is; their Christ Jesus never recovered from crucifixion, i.e.
their Christ Jesus is still dead and his remains squirreled away on Earth in a
condition and a location known only to God; so it is impossible for their
Christ Jesus to mediate between Man and God, he being dead and all. And in
point of fact, their Christ Jesus doesn't even exist anymore because in their
belief system, people are entirely physical: so when they die, they're gone.
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Continued From No.918
The Bible's high priesthood is a channel between Man and God that-- to my
knowledge --has never been held by angels. It's always been held by human
beings; specifically male human beings; beginning in the Old Testament with
a mysterious guy named Melchizedek. (Gen 14:18-20)
• Heb 5:1 . . . For every high priest taken from among men is appointed in
behalf of men over the things pertaining to God
Jesus Christ is a high priest.
• Heb 5:4 . . Also, a man takes this honor, not of his own accord, but only
when he is called by God, just as Aaron also was.
• Heb 5:10 . . He has been specifically called by God a high priest.
Christ, then, is a mediator between the supreme being and the human
being.
• 1Tim 2:5 . . There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a
man, Christ Jesus.
The Greek word translated "men" is the same word translated "a man". It's
derived from anthropos (anth'-ro-pos) --a common word for h.sapiens in the
New Testament; which is why that passage doesn't say the one mediator is
an angel. No it doesn't say an angel; rather, it says a man; and the man's
name is Christ Jesus rather than Christ Michael.
Now; the Watchtower Society has a very, very serious problem with Christ
Jesus. The thing is; their Christ Jesus never recovered from crucifixion, i.e.
their Christ Jesus is still dead and his remains squirreled away on Earth in a
condition and a location known only to God; so it is impossible for their
Christ Jesus to mediate between Man and God, he being dead and all. And in
point of fact, their Christ Jesus doesn't even exist anymore because in their
belief system, people are entirely physical: so when they die, they're gone.
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Ronald Nolette
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Twisitng the Scriptures is dangerous to do for you!
New International Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
New Living Translation
And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”
English Standard Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Berean Standard Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”
Berean Literal Bible
The one believing in the Son has eternal life, but the one not obeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
King James Bible
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
New King James Version
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
New American Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
NASB 1995
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
NASB 1977
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Amplified Bible
He who believes and trusts in the Son and accepts Him [as Savior] has eternal life [that is, already possesses it]; but he who does not believe the Son and chooses to reject Him, [disobeying Him and denying Him as Savior] will not see [eternal] life, but [instead] the wrath of God hangs over him continually.”
Christian Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who rejects the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
American Standard Version
He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Whoever is trusting in The Son, has The Eternal Life, and whoever disobeys The Son shall not see The Life, but the anger of God shall abide upon him.”
Contemporary English Version
Everyone who has faith in the Son has eternal life. But no one who rejects him will ever share in that life, and God will be angry with them forever.
Douay-Rheims Bible
He that believeth in the Son, hath life everlasting; but he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Good News Translation
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not have life, but will remain under God's punishment.
International Standard Version
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
Literal Standard Version
he who is believing in the Son has continuous life; and he who is not believing the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
New American Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.
NET Bible
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God's wrath remains on him.
New Revised Standard Version
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but must endure God’s wrath.
New Heart English Bible
Whoever believes in the Son has everlasting life, but whoever refuses to believe in the Son won't see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
Weymouth New Testament
He who believes in the Son has the Life of the Ages; he who disobeys the Son will not enter into Life, but God's anger remains upon him.
World English Bible
One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won't see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
Young's Literal Translation
he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'
John 3:36 New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition) 36 The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; + the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, + but the wrath of God remains upon him.
Not one Bible including the abominable New World Mistranslation says plus obey all teh commands! That is you adding to the words of the book here.
The fact I am a trinitarian and teach obedience with a passion- says you are a liar about what trinitarians teach. I and tens of thousands of other teachers and pastors emphasize obedience. I will accept your aplogy.
Ronald Nolette
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Well I cannot speak 100% for the translators, but to venture a guess, The Bible declares there is only one true God and all the rest are false!
As Paul is a man and not God, it would be with a small g.
Ronald Nolette
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Yes according to the Watchtower twisted philosophy. but the Bible declares differently! One passage should make you repent of this lie if you were an honest bible student:
John 2:18-22
King James Version
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Jesus said- DESTROY MY BODY AND IN THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE MY BODY FROM THE GRAVE!!!!!
NOT HIS SPIRIT,BUT HIS BODY!
Ronald Nolette
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No sir, you don't for if you agree with jesus then you would agree with this passage:
John 2:18-22
King James Version
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
But you are forbidden to by your Watchtower indoctrinators and they keep you from the kingdom!
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Not only are they not entering the kingdom if they died in their unbelief- but they have made you two fold more the child of hell than they are! This is not what Jesus, nor I wish for you.
Keiw
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Everything ate plants before the flood in Noahs day, and will return to being that way in Gods kingdom- Isaiah 11:7--The point is--Blood is sacred to Gods view, he does not want one to put it into their bodies.
Keiw
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Its 100% obvious Jesus didnt teach what he taught for nothing. So by you making the statement that you dont think one needs to obey all the commands proves 100% you dont teach what Jesus taught-- A super important teaching every true follower does already= Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT-years of study to learn and apply every utterance. And since every word from Jesus originated from God,( John 5:30) he meant every single word.
Only one in darkness would condemn the only translation by translators who actually loved God enough to support his will by putting his name back in the nearly 7000 spots he willed it to be. By satans will wicked men who had no right removed Gods name. Thus reality is--Those using the altered translations are being mislead to support satans will over Gods will. Even Jerome told the Pope Gods name belonged in the NT and OT. Before he translated to the latin Vulgate. I dont know if the name was allowed in the Vulgate.
Do you teach this--Matt 6:33--another super important teaching= Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality-Matt 6)
You showed partial truths of who will be saved, Jesus summed it up in a single teaching-- Matt 7:21-- Those living now to do his Fathers will( over their own will) get to enter his kingdom--- that will is for man to live by every utterance. And on top of all of it, those scriptures you shared = The real Jesus.
Dropship
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Keiw
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How else could the animals get along on Noahs ark? They didnt eat meat yet nor did humans. God told Noah after the flood it was ok to eat meat- Gen 9:2-- There was a water vapor layer up somewhere. Its what came down on the earth. Meat was needed after that to counteract something in the sun.
Yes even vegans are unhealthy-everything is. The gross misuse of science and math has caused everything on earth to become polluted. It gets into the food we eat and animals eat.
Dropship
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The "Ark" is just a metaphor for a "DNA Repository craft" capable of storing millions of tiny DNA samples..:)
Yes we believe Jesus is called Michael in the heavens. Is he Michael? If you are interested here are my notes on it:
Is Jesus Michael
The Archangel?
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The Bible tells us that God sent His son to the earth. This means he existed prior to becoming a human here on earth. Knowing how seriously God takes names; no doubt Jesus would have had a name in heaven, yet no mention of Jesus occurred prior to his birth on earth. An angel was very explicit to Mary when he said: Lu 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Lu 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Jehovah’s Witnesses feel that Jesus’ name in heaven is Michael. Michael is closely associated to Jehovah; and actually has the meaning Who is like God. Michael is the name given to the Archangel and it only occurs 1x in direct application to the Archangel and 4x as a heavenly being; with 3 of those times in Daniel as being Jehovah’s prince, and the other as leading the fight against satan in the battle that cast satan and the demons to the earth. The term Archangel only occurs 2x in the Bible and it was translated from the Grk word ajrcavggeloß Archaggelos
and is defined as: archangel, or chief of the angels Michael then was very high in rank over all the angels; the highest angel. The Bible clearly teaches Jesus is only subject to Jehovah and is above all angels: 1co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. also Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name
The first prophecy in the Bible occurs at Gen 3:15 which reads: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel Jehovah was talking to satan, making it known that there would be a seed that would eventually crush him; most of the “Christian” faiths believe this seed to be Jesus. Michael is recorded as clashing with satan more than once and led the attack in which satan was cast to the earth as mentioned in the last paragraph:
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Re 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Notice how the angels were referred to as his angels, all subject to him. Notice Mat 28:18:And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.
Soon this will be fulfilled: Re 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. Re 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon. Re 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Re 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth (5738) (5625) unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Re 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Re 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. The horses mentioned in Chap 6 also reveal it is Jesus and satan. Jesus receiving the crown, and satan taking peace away from the earth:Re 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, compare Rev 12:12. The Bible states it will be Jesus leading the way: 2th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 2th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
There is more information, but I have tried to keep it simple, informative, and to the point as to why Jehovah’s people believe that the Bible really teaches that Jesus is named Michael in heaven.
Really? This is exactly what you said sir: "Jesus did as all men in flesh do, He worshipped His Father." Post # 903 Do you not believe your own words? I gather you do not know what the name of the Father is.
Yes sir Ron, I fully agree. That would also apply to every spirit being who was not the one true God as well.
Your watchtower and ours differ sir, that is very likely why we are of a different faith. Jesus of course did not say that, that was your words. Best not to add to or subtract from. I disagree of course. But again I understand why you feel that way, and if it were not for other evidence from the rest of the Bible, I would believe that as well.
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