The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[ewq1938]

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

That is God's tribulation and its something to be avoided.

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

If this supposedly happens right after the end of the first tribulation of the antichrist, then this is within the time of the Millennium , the 1000 year reign of Christ. Do that many people have access to the temple in the Millennium ? I'm afraid not, for only the priests of the Zadok shall have access to the temple during that time. There shall not be such a large number of people who can approach the throne, in front of the full Godhead who are clothed as they are being symbolic of purity and righteousness. It also says the one on the throne dwells among them. When does God the Father dwell among mankind like this? The Eternity!

Rev_21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

This should sound familiar. When is there a time that we should not hunger nor thirst anymore?

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

In chapter 21 we have passed the time of judgement are are now being given a glimpse of the eternity in the new age with the new Heaven and the new Earth ages beginning.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

This is why we thirst no more. Christ gives unto us the water of life, and it will quench our thirst forever.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And
let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

This is something available to those who overcome and are that bride of Christ.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

This is the tree of life and we shall partake of it's fruits and there will be no hunger. The famine of the end times is for hearing the word of God, but at this time the word of God will be with us forever and we shall never hunger again.

Revelation 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Again, this is something that only takes place during the eternity.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for
the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Amen, let there be light, the light of Christ.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

He shall feed us and give us to drink from the waters of life.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

There is only one time that God dwells with us and wipes away our tears my friends:

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is
with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

There shall be no tears or sorrow at that time because they are of the things that are passed away and do not exist anymore. This only exists during the eternity.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all
nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the
Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

This also happens in the eternity.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Revelation 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Revelation 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

The nations come before the throne to honor God.

In conclusion, Revelation 7:9-end is a glimpse of the eternity as are the latter chapters of Revelation, and this great multitude is there before the throne not simply after the tribulation, but after all tribulations have ended. They have overcome all tribulations they have faced and have been judged to life and are free to worship God forever and partake of all the wonderful things promised to us by God.

 

[quietthinker]

Has it been considered that the paradigm argued from is incorrect?

 

[Timtofly]

Great Tribulation: Mentioned only three times in the New Testament and each time it's the experience of Christians: Revelation 2:22; Revelation 7:14; 'Olivet Discourse': Matthew 24:21 *

So the church has been around for 1992 years of great tribulation.

The firstfruits of the Millennium Kingdom are gathered in the great tribulation. It is a win win situation for all involved. All get to suffer some type of great tribulation.

The 42 months of Satan's AoD is not the great tribulation. Only those who chop their head off and avoid the mark gain anything during the AoD. But make sure your head is chopped off before the mark. Having the mark and then chopping off your head, will not remove the mark.

So you see the difference between going through tribulation and going through the AoD?

 

[Timtofly]

Satan will be bound for a thousand years. Then he will be allowed to deceive again - for the second and last time that he will be allowed to deceive mankind in paradise. The first time was in the garden of Eden. Satan did not tempt Adam at the start of God's sabbath. We are not told at what time, or how long it was after God breathed His Spirit into Adam making him a living soul that God allowed Satan to tempt Adam in paradise.

Whether those in Revelation 20:4-6 will be reigning over all the other resurrected saints who never were tested as they were, or over non-resurrected mortals I do not know. Jesus told us in His Revelation that whatever the seven thunders uttered will remain sealed until the 7th trumpet sounds.

If they are mortals then Premil is true, because there cannot be mortals in the new heavens and new earth. But Revelation 7's multitude who came out from great tribulation are shown to be in the new heavens and new earth, so then Premil is wrong.

All I'm saying is that there is biblical evidence that the new heavens and new earth follows immediately after the return of Christ, but there is also biblical evidence to show that Satan is definitely not currently bound, and the text itself has the thousand years commencing after the resurrection of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and refusal to worship the beast or his image.

So Amillennialists and Premillennialists are both partly correct and partly wrong.

Of course we are told how long the Day of Adonai (Day of the Lord) was. Obviously what the day of the Lord was, was remembered by some, and well known, before Peter told the church not to be ignorant about it. Peter was not giving some brand new, never before mentioned, information that makes some ignorant. Not heading such information makes one ignorant. Read Genesis 2 again. A lot of stuff happened between the 6th Day, and when God planted the Garden of Eden after the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord that time around was when God rested, and watched creation work out exactly what it was created to do. Satan had lots of time to think about how he could do things differently. Pretty sure he may try to do things differently the next time as well.

 

[ewq1938]

41. Does Christ reign now?

1Co 15:25 For he must reign (present tense verb), till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Amillennialism presents this verse as evidence Christ is reigning now because "reign" here is in the present tense. The problem with this strawman fallacy is that Premillennialism knows Christ is reigning now, in heaven. This verse does not suggest he is reigning now over the Earth. Amillennialism uses similar verses with present tense verbs but all of them are contextually speaking about his reign in heaven. The Earthly reign (which Amillennialism usually denies will ever happen) does not start until he returns at the second coming.

When would Christ reign over his enemies on the Earth?

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luk 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
Psa 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.

So when does Christ leave the right hand of God in heaven and come to the Earth to defeat his enemies and rule in the midst of those enemies? The second coming of course. We also see this depicted in Revelation 19-20.

 

[Zao is life]

tribulation
2347

2347 thlipsis {thlip'-sis}

from 2346; TDNT - 3:139,334; n f

AV - tribulation 21, affliction 17, trouble 3, anguish 1,
persecution 1, burdened 1, to be afflicted + 1519 1; 45

1) a pressing, pressing together, pressure
2) metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits

Tribulation is just a really rough time, of varying degrees. A time of distress, a time of stress, pressure and so forth.

I did read the rest of what you said (even though I haven't quoted it above).

But firstly I think you are wrong about "great tribulation" being the same thing in scripture as "general tribulation". There are only three times in the New Testament where the Greek word megas (great) is used as an adjective for the thlipsis ( list them and quote them further down).

There are only two New Testament references to tribulation experienced by non-Christians:-

1. Of all who do evil: Romans 2:9.

2. Of the world as repayment for bringing tribulation upon the saints: 2 Thessalonians 1:6.

There are no other New Testament mentions of tribulation as the experience of those who are not Christians.

Here is the list of New Testament verses talking about the persecution and tribulation of Jesus, the apostles, and Christians:-

Persecution: Of Jesus: John 5:16

Persecution of Christians: Matthew 5:10-12; John 15:20; Acts 22:4; Acts 26:11; 1 Corinthians 4:12; 1 Corinthians 15:9; 2 Corinthians 4:9; Galatians 1:13 & 23; Galatians 4:29; Galatians 5:11

Persecution of the woman who gave birth to the Messiah: Revelation 12:13

Tribulation (thlipsis) of apostles or Christians: Matthew 13:21 (Parallel: Mark 4:17); Matthew 24:9, 21 & 29 (Parallel Mark 13:19, 24); John 16:33; Acts 11:19; Acts 14:22; Acts 20:23; Romans 5:3; Romans 8:35; Romans 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 6 & 8; 2 Corinthians 2:4; 2 Corinthians 4:8; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 7:4-5; 2 Corinthians 8:2; Ephesians 3:13; Philippians 1:16; Philippians 4:14; Colossians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4 & 7; 2 Thessalonians 1:4, 6-7; 2 Timothy 1:8; 2 Timothy 3:11; 2 Timothy 4:5; Hebrews 10:32-33; 1 Peter 5:9; Revelation 1:9; Revelation 2:9-10, 22; Revelation 7:14

Only three times in the New Testament does the adjective MEGAS appear in front of thlipsis, and each time it's the experience of Christians*

*Luke uses the words great distress (ananke) and wrath (orge) in Luke 21:23 to describe what was to come upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem (not the word tribulation).

Mark 13
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never shall be.
20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved. But for the elect's sake, whom He has chosen, He has shortened the days.

Matthew 24
21 for then shall be great (megas) tribulation (thlipsis), such as has not been since the beginning of the world to this time; no, nor ever shall be.
22 And unless those days should be shortened, no flesh would be saved. But for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened.

Revelation 7
14 These are the ones who came out of great (megas) tribulation and have washed their robes, and have whitened them in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 2
21 And I gave her (Jezebel) time that she might repent of her fornication, and she did not repent.
22 Behold, I am throwing her into a bed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation (MEGAS thlipsis), unless they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death. And all the churches will know that I am He who searches the reins and hearts, and I will give to every one of you according to your works.

So I disagree that the MEGAS thlipsis that those multitudes came out from, is the "general tribulation" that is the experience of saints across time.

Secondly, I disagree that the text of Revelation 7:15-17 jumps to a thousand years after the great tribulation those multitudes had experienced (and come out from) when describing their blessings (drinking of the water of life etc).

It seems to me that that (great) tribulation is the same as the great tribulation that the saints of Revelation 20:4-6 came out from.

So I believe that tribulation is something the saints experience across time but there is only one brief period of great tribulation leading to the return of Christ and resurrection of the dead.

I also believe that all the prophecies in the Revelation that appear following the letters to the churches is about the final 3.5 years - the reign of the beast, the NHNE excluded.

 

[ewq1938]

It seems to me that that (great) tribulation is the same as the great tribulation that the saints of Revelation 20:4-6 came out from.

There is a different between tribulation that is great (severe) and The great tribulation which is the worst period of tribulation to have ever take place.

 

[Zao is life]

So the church has been around for 1992 years of great tribulation.

The firstfruits of the Millennium Kingdom are gathered in the great tribulation. It is a win win situation for all involved. All get to suffer some type of great tribulation.

The 42 months of Satan's AoD is not the great tribulation. Only those who chop their head off and avoid the mark gain anything during the AoD. But make sure your head is chopped off before the mark. Having the mark and then chopping off your head, will not remove the mark.

So you see the difference between going through tribulation and going through the AoD?

Tribulation is the experience of the saints across time, and mentioned many, many times in the N.T. Great tribulation is a once-off thing, and mentioned only three times in the N.T.

 

[Zao is life]

There is a different between tribulation that is great (severe) and The great tribulation which is the worst period of tribulation to have ever take place.

When the tribulation that the text in the entire New Testament is talking about is severe, it calls it MEGAS thlipsis - and it does so only three times. I listed every single New Testament verse talking about tribulation (and persecution) for you in my other post.

We must stick to the language the Bible uses. Creating our own category in-between thlipsis and megas thlipsis does not exist in the text of the New Testament anywhere.

 

[ewq1938]

When the tribulation that the text in the entire New Testament is talking about is severe, it calls it MEGAS thlipsis - and it does so only three times. I listed every single New Testament verse talking about tribulation (and persecution) for you in my other post.

We must stick to the language the Bible uses. Creating our own category in-between thlipsis and megas thlipsis does not exist in the text of the New Testament anywhere.

The great tribulation Christ spoke of that happens just before his return is not the same great tribulation/s an uncountable amount of people went through in Rev 7. We know this because not that many people come out of the great trib and are saved. Very few come out of the end times GT and are saved (washed their robes etc).

Great tribulation will not only come once.

 

[Timtofly]

Tribulation is the experience of the saints across time, and mentioned many, many times in the N.T. Great tribulation is a once-off thing, and mentioned only three times in the N.T.

The definite article is missing in Revelation 7. They came out of great tribulation.

Those in Revelation 20:4 are not associated with any tribulation great or normal. You are not sticking with Scripture, but jumping to a conclusion.

Revelation 2 is still not a single period of time, but part of the 1992 years of the church between the Cross and now.

The only narrow band of time mentioned in Matthew 24 is between the Second Coming and the AoD which is the last 42 months given to Satan, after the 7th Trumpet starts to sound.

Since the AoD is the last 42 months. The time of great tribulation would be the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders between the Second Coming and the AoD.

Since we know that the church has been promised great tribulation between the Cross and the Second Coming, the Second Coming is after the tribulation of those days, called the fulness of the Gentiles.

Then the final harvest is the unprecedented tribulation between the Second Coming and the AoD. That is associated with Jacob's trouble, or Israel, not the church. Jacob's trouble is not mega. Jacob's trouble goes beyond mega. Jacob's trouble is the time where close to 6 billion people are removed from life on earth. This is the time all the sheep and goats are removed from the earth. The wheat and the tares are removed from the earth. Until the 7th Trumpet sounds we will not even know how many humans are left. There may only be a few left, and Satan's 42 months will not even be necessary.

 

[Keraz]

The great tribulation Christ spoke of that happens just before his return is not the same great tribulation/s an uncountable amount of people went through in Rev 7. We know this because not that many people come out of the great trib and are saved. Very few come out of the end times GT and are saved (washed their robes etc).

This is quite correct. The great tribulation of Revelation 7:14, translated in the REBible as 'a great ordeal', obviously refers to the just happened Sixth Seal world wide disaster. Luke 21:32
Those people who stood firm in their faith and trusted the Lord for protection on that Day, will be rewarded and will receive white robes.

But the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, is directed against those who have taken the 'mark of the beast'. Revelation 16:2

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Same blessings promised to those who came out of great tribulation in Revelation 7. The first time in the Revelation you read that there is no more curse, is in Revelation 22:3. The new Heavens and new earth and the thousand years are the same.

No, they are not the same. The new heavens and new earth will be marked by there being "no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away” (Rev 21:4) when they are ushered in. But there will be death after the thousand years, as shown in Revelation 20:7-9. So, the thousand years and new heavens and new earth can't possibly be the same.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So when does Christ leave the right hand of God in heaven and come to the Earth to defeat his enemies and rule in the midst of those enemies? The second coming of course. We also see this depicted in Revelation 19-20.

There is no description of Jesus ruling in the midst of His enemies in Revelation 19-20. Instead, there is a depiction of Him destroying all of His enemies at His second coming. Twice. In Revelation 19:17-18 is shows Him destroying "all people, free and slave, small and great" and Revelation 20:9 shows all unbelievers being destroyed by fire which matches up with 2 Peter 3:10-12 and 2 Thess 1:7-9 which both teach that He will destroy His enemies with fire when He returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

41. Does Christ reign now?

1Co 15:25 For he must reign (present tense verb), till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Amillennialism presents this verse as evidence Christ is reigning now because "reign" here is in the present tense. The problem with this strawman fallacy is that Premillennialism knows Christ is reigning now, in heaven. This verse does not suggest he is reigning now over the Earth. Amillennialism uses similar verses with present tense verbs but all of them are contextually speaking about his reign in heaven. The Earthly reign (which Amillennialism usually denies will ever happen) does not start until he returns at the second coming.

What is your excuse for your ignorance? Why do you not accept what Jesus Himself said?

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

And what Paul said about Him?

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Long ago God the Father "placed all things" under Christ's feet and gave Him "all authority in heaven and on earth". Don't tell me that He doesn't reign over the earth now when Jesus Himself said that He does and Paul also said that He does. You are blatantly contradicting what scripture teaches.

When would Christ reign over his enemies on the Earth?

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luk 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Do you not understand that His enemies are made His footstool when He has destroyed them all, which He is going to do when He returns rather than ruling over them?

2 Thess 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

Does this passage give the impression that He's going to rule over His enemies when He returns? Not at all! It clearly shows that He will be destroying them and punishing them.

Then there is this:

1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

This shows that He is reigning now, as you acknowledge, but then you try to limit His reign to heaven only even though He Himself said He reigns over both heaven and earth and Paul indicated that He reigns over all things everywhere.

But, there's something else you should notice here. It says the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Later in the same chapter Paul wrote this:

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.

When will death be defeated and destroyed? At the last trumpet when Christ returns. That is when death will be "swallowed up in victory". That is a quote of Isaiah 25:8.

Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

That verse is quoted here as well:

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

When death is destroyed and swallowed up in victory, God will wipe away tears from everyone's eyes. When you see that Isaiah 25:8 is quoted in both 1 Corinthians 15:54 and Revelation 21:4 you can see that the time when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in is at the time of Christ's return. There is a reason why there is no indication in 1 Corinthians 15:22-24 of any time period occurring between "His coming" and "the end" when Christ delivers the kingdom to the Father. That is because there won't be any time period (such as a thousand years) between those things.

 

[ewq1938]

42. Do Amillennialists understand their own doctrine?

Amillennialists often say things like there is no Millennium or there is no thousand years or that there is no such thing as an Earthly rule. That's isn't actually what Amillennialism teaches. Amillennialists believe in a thousand years on the Earth. They believe it's happening now and has been for a long time. They believe Christ rules the Earth from heaven with the dead saints, and living saints are ruling with Christ now upon the Earth. The truth is they aren't actually ruling at all, it's 100 percent imaginary and Christ is also not ruling the Earth. Wicked men rule this world helped by satan whether they realize it or not. Christ will return and literally rule, a real rule, over the people of this world. We are still waiting for that glorious day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

42. Do Amillennialists understand their own doctrine?

Amillennialists often say things like there is no Millennium or there is no thousand years or that there is no such thing as an Earthly rule.

Are you purposely trying to be misleading with this post? Amils deny an earthly rule as Premils understand it. Why didn't you bother clarifying that? Are you being intentionally dishonest here? It seems that you are.

That's isn't actually what Amillennialism teaches. Amillennialists believe in a thousand years on the Earth. They believe it's happening now and has been for a long time.

Of course we do. Who said otherwise? No one. You're making things up in this post to try to make Amils look bad, but all you're doing is making yourself look bad with your dishonest tactics.

They believe Christ rules the Earth from heaven with the dead saints, and living saints are ruling with Christ now upon the Earth. The truth is they aren't actually ruling at all, it's 100 percent imaginary and Christ is also not ruling the Earth.

This illustrates one of the major problems with Premil. It doesn't recognize the current authority of Christ and that Christians have over the spiritual enemy. All we have to do is resist the devil and he must flee from us (James 4:7). He has no authority over us whatsoever. You give Satan far too much credit and don't give Jesus nearly enough.

Wicked men rule this world helped by satan whether they realize it or not.

They rule their own by choice, but they have absolutely no authority whatsoever over Christians.

Christ will return and literally rule, a real rule, over the people of this world. We are still waiting for that glorious day.

Scripture never teaches such a thing. Instead it teaches that He will hand over the kingdom He's ruling over now, which does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36), to God the Father when He returns (1 Cor 15:22-24).

 

[ewq1938]

43. Does the term "Amillennialism" make any sense?

No. The term means "No Millennium", but the doctrine teaches there actually is a Millennium in contradiction to their own name. Some online sources claim the term might have been created by Premillennialism as a pejorative but I have seen many Amillennialists say there is no Millennium. See entry 42 for more information.

 

[jeffweeder]

43. Does the term "Amillennialism" make any sense?

No. The term means "No Millennium", but the doctrine teaches there actually is a Millennium in contradiction to their own name. Some online sources claim the term might have been created by Premillennialism as a pejorative but I have seen many Amillennialists say there is no Millennium. See entry 42 for more information.

No future post second coming millennium.
I believe the millennium starts with our passing from death to life according to what Jesus taught in Jn 5:25-26

Jn 5
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


This is the first resurrection (transference from death to life ) we experience as new born babes and the most important one we will get acquainted with. Participate in this reality now and you will in no way come into the judgment of the second death at the GWT.


25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.


Premill contradict that notion and have the first resurrection from death to life at his second coming, and this physical rising facilitates not coming into judgment.

As I said that contradicts what the Lord is saying to us in Jn5.

 

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No future post second coming millennium.
I believe the millennium starts with our passing from death to life according to what Jesus taught in Jn 5:25-26

Jn 5
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life
This is the first resurrection (transference from death to life ) we experience as new born babes and the most important one we will get acquainted with. Participate in this reality now and you will in no way come into the judgment of the second death at the GWT.

25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.


Premill contradict that notion and have the first resurrection from death to life at his second coming, and this physical rising facilitates not coming into judgment.

As I said that contradicts what the Lord is saying to us in Jn5.

The whole premise of a "Millennium" is found in Revelation 20:1-6 and the words (Thousand Years) these words are doing nothing more than explaining the Lord's eternal spiritual realm as not having literal time, (Thousand Years) is the expression of a large infinite number, it's that simple

Many that follow Ahmillennialism are wrong in their interpretation, trying to put this explanation into literal earthly terms regarding time

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.