In regard to what Jesus said to Peter, it appears that the Apostle John's presumption is in error.

[face2face]

We can only hope this OP ends up where yours is!

 

[face2face]

But to make ourselves an example unto you to follow us. 2 Thessalonians 3:9.

 

[dad]

A learned person would know the box was based on the pattern of things in Heaven and not the substance. A learned person would seek to understand the context and meaning of its prophetical import....you are not such a person.

No they would know God is not tricking us and that there is no reason not to believe what we were told. It was not offered as some great mystery. Having 'prophetical import' (in other words whatever you wish to make up) cannot take away from what were were told was in heaven.

 

[face2face]

No they would know God is not tricking us and that there is no reason not to believe what we were told. It was not offered as some great mystery. Having 'prophetical import' (in other words whatever you wish to make up) cannot take away from what were were told was in heaven.

Not tricking!
You just dont have the tools to interpret the text correctly and you are not humble enough to receive them.

 

[dad]

Not tricking!
You just dont have the tools to interpret the text correctly and you are not humble enough to receive them.

I have all the tools needed. All you need is belief. Not elaborate excuses for unbelief.

 

[face2face]

I have all the tools needed. All you need is belief. Not elaborate excuses for unbelief.

Well, when you want to show me how you use them you can pm me anytime, until then your OP sits in the trash.

 

[The Learner]

and how the Bible rejects them?

Five Solas or Protestant dogmas!

Faith alone

Christ alone

Grace alone

Bible alone

Glory to God alone

Protestantism is unbiblical!

Faith alone! That means faith alone! Period!
No sacraments ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:20-21
No obedience of faith rom 16:26
No repentance Lk 3:3
No suffering Mk 8:34 Mk 10:21 Phil 1:29
No hope rom 8:24
No charity 1 cor 13:2 1 cor 13:13
No love of God duet. 6:5
Prayer matt 7:7
No grace Jn 1:16-17
No patience Heb 10:36
No nothing but faith alone!
Alone means alone!

Rom 8: 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13

And never “faith alone”!

Rev. 2 I know thy works! I thought faith alone is all that mattered?

Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

How can salvation be by faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone?

Faith alone?

1 cor 13:2 and 13:13, Phil 1:29, James 2:24 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 oppose faith alone!

1 cor 13:2 “all faith” without charity avails nothing, nada!

“Faith alone” is heresy!
Hersey is treason against God!



Christ alone?

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Not Christ alone must also believe on the Father who sent Christ!

Grace alone?

Mk 16:16 faith and baptism!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 the promise of the father, sacred oath is a sacrament!

Not grace alone but, grace thru baptism of water and the spirit, and a new heart full of love of God!

Matt 5:7 merciful receive mercy
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven

Acts 22:15 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Jn 3:5 and Titus 3:5 born again refers to baptismal regeneration

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!


Paul never taught justification by “faith alone”!

Did not Paul write these scriptures?

1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13:13

Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Other scriptures opposing “faith alone”

Matt 5:7 mercy thru merciful
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven


Bible alone?

The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority”

Deny’s the divine tradition: Christ teaching the apostles in person.

Deny’s the power of the Holy Spirit: to guide the apostles into all truth, Jn 16:13 and to governing the church. And be witnesses for Christ. Acts 1:8

Deny’s the apostolic tradition:
Authority to define scripture:
Authority to interpret scripture:
Authority to teach the entire divine revelation.

Denys the authority other than the “Bible alone! Including
Divine authority
Apostolic authority
angelic authority
Civil authority
Parental authority


Restricts the divine revelation and the word of God to scripture alone.

Provides no authority to know what is scripture.
Provides no authority to know what is not scripture.
Provides no authority to safeguard and protect scripture from errors.
Provides no authority to teach scripture without error.
Provides no authority to interpret scripture.

Reasons to oppose the doctrine of the “Bible alone”

Blind or illiterate and cannot read scripture. (Most people before the 20th century were illiterate)
Rare & Expensive (even after the printing press)
Faith comets by hearing not reading.


The Bible alone does not teach the doctrine of the “Bible alone”.

Biblical reference to authority other than the Bible alone.
Matt 16:18-19
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18-20
Matt 18:17
Jn 20:21-23
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:31
1 Tim 3:15


When God called abram, Moses, the prophets, John the Baptist, and apostles it was not by the “Bible alone” Lk 3:2 the word of God came to John in the wilderness… a book did not fall out of the sky.


There is no list of scripture in scripture!

How does a person know what books, chapters, and verses are scripture and which ones are not?

thank You, do you believe Jesus is the only way to heaven?

 

[face2face]

....along with this one!

 

[face2face]

thank You, do you believe Jesus is the only way to heaven?

No such thing as heaven going so I hope not!
Wow the ignorance pours over
Matthew 5:5 is the reward.

 

[The Learner]

and how the Bible rejects them?

Five Solas or Protestant dogmas!

Faith alone

Christ alone

Grace alone

Bible alone

Glory to God alone

Protestantism is unbiblical!

Faith alone! That means faith alone! Period!
No sacraments ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38-39 acts 8:36-38 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:20-21
No obedience of faith rom 16:26
No repentance Lk 3:3
No suffering Mk 8:34 Mk 10:21 Phil 1:29
No hope rom 8:24
No charity 1 cor 13:2 1 cor 13:13
No love of God duet. 6:5
Prayer matt 7:7
No grace Jn 1:16-17
No patience Heb 10:36
No nothing but faith alone!
Alone means alone!

Rom 8: 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13

And never “faith alone”!

Rev. 2 I know thy works! I thought faith alone is all that mattered?

Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

How can salvation be by faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone?

Faith alone?

1 cor 13:2 and 13:13, Phil 1:29, James 2:24 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 oppose faith alone!

1 cor 13:2 “all faith” without charity avails nothing, nada!

“Faith alone” is heresy!
Hersey is treason against God!



Christ alone?

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Not Christ alone must also believe on the Father who sent Christ!

Grace alone?

Mk 16:16 faith and baptism!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 the promise of the father, sacred oath is a sacrament!

Not grace alone but, grace thru baptism of water and the spirit, and a new heart full of love of God!

Matt 5:7 merciful receive mercy
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven

Acts 22:15 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Jn 3:5 and Titus 3:5 born again refers to baptismal regeneration

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!


Paul never taught justification by “faith alone”!

Did not Paul write these scriptures?

1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13:13

Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Other scriptures opposing “faith alone”

Matt 5:7 mercy thru merciful
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven


Bible alone?

The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority”

Deny’s the divine tradition: Christ teaching the apostles in person.

Deny’s the power of the Holy Spirit: to guide the apostles into all truth, Jn 16:13 and to governing the church. And be witnesses for Christ. Acts 1:8

Deny’s the apostolic tradition:
Authority to define scripture:
Authority to interpret scripture:
Authority to teach the entire divine revelation.

Denys the authority other than the “Bible alone! Including
Divine authority
Apostolic authority
angelic authority
Civil authority
Parental authority


Restricts the divine revelation and the word of God to scripture alone.

Provides no authority to know what is scripture.
Provides no authority to know what is not scripture.
Provides no authority to safeguard and protect scripture from errors.
Provides no authority to teach scripture without error.
Provides no authority to interpret scripture.

Reasons to oppose the doctrine of the “Bible alone”

Blind or illiterate and cannot read scripture. (Most people before the 20th century were illiterate)
Rare & Expensive (even after the printing press)
Faith comets by hearing not reading.


The Bible alone does not teach the doctrine of the “Bible alone”.

Biblical reference to authority other than the Bible alone.
Matt 16:18-19
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18-20
Matt 18:17
Jn 20:21-23
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:31
1 Tim 3:15


When God called abram, Moses, the prophets, John the Baptist, and apostles it was not by the “Bible alone” Lk 3:2 the word of God came to John in the wilderness… a book did not fall out of the sky.


There is no list of scripture in scripture!

How does a person know what books, chapters, and verses are scripture and which ones are not?

We all know the canon of Scripture from the Church Counsel around 399 AD

 

[dad]

Well, when you want to show me how you use them you can pm me anytime, until then your OP sits in the trash.

Don't whine because you were defeated. Try to move on.

 

[face2face]

Don't whine because you were defeated. Try to move on.

Lol you dont know what your missing out on...as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss!

 

[dad]

Lol you dont know what your missing out on...as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss!

Why kid yourself? Having a reality such as heaven does not mean that we also cannot have pictures of that here, such as a heavenly day. Having a tree in heaven does not mean that we have no trees here. Having a river in heaven does not mean that it is not really a river just because water also has some symbolic meanings! Having mansions or a temple with the ark in in in heaven does not mean that it is not real just because the ark while on earth also held some real and important symbolism. Your pretense that you know the difference or that the ark has to be unreal in heaven due to some former symbolic meanings is laughable. So don't give us that old Beatles song 'you don't know what you're missing' (nowhere man). What you are missing, besides wisdom and understanding is belief.

 

[face2face]

Why kid yourself? Having a reality such as heaven does not mean that we also cannot have pictures of that here, such as a heavenly day. Having a tree in heaven does not mean that we have no trees here. Having a river in heaven does not mean that it is not really a river just because water also has some symbolic meanings! Having mansions or a temple with the ark in in in heaven does not mean that it is not real just because the ark while on earth also held some real and important symbolism. Your pretense that you know the difference or that the ark has to be unreal in heaven due to some former symbolic meanings is laughable. So don't give us that old Beatles song 'you don't know what you're missing' (nowhere man). What you are missing, besides wisdom and understanding is belief.

Bla bla bla bla (extra bla for even trying!)
You dont want to know about the symbolism so just rejoice in your ignorance and be gone with you!

 

[dad]

Bla bla bla bla (extra bla for even trying!)
You dont want to know about the symbolism so just rejoice in your ignorance and be gone with you!

I already know symbolism. I also know when it applies and when not to wave away what is real by mislabeling it as symbolism. Work on that. A lot.

 

[face2face]

I already know symbolism. I also know when it applies and when not to wave away what is real by mislabeling it as symbolism. Work on that. A lot.

You know very little!...work on that!

 

[dad]

You know very little!...work on that!

I know belief when it exists. I know foolishness and unbelief when I see it. You have waved away the bible and offered some shallow pretense of secret knowledge that you failed to be able to produce!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The first problem with John's assumption is that Jesus actually says, "ANOTHER WILL GIRD YOU." Carefully examine the exact Words Jesus says to Peter:

“…you will extend your hands and ANOTHER WILL GIRD YOU and carry you where you do not want to go.”

“ANOTHER WILL GIRD YOU.” These Words completely rule out the assumption that Jesus is referring to Peter’s crucifixion.

In Peter and Jesus’ day, to “gird” one’s self was a specific ordeal accomplished by completely transforming a tunic. Impossible during Roman crucifixion. No party to any Roman execution would ever “gird” anyone prior to being crucified.

I know, we've all seen the paintings and statues of Jesus being crucified, wearing a tunic that has been girded around his loins. Christian folklore. A picture is worth a thousand words, only no one had a cell phone (back then) to take a snap shot of the Reality.

who is the another that would gird Peter? Interesting is what you shared concerning
“accomplished by completely transforming a tunic” be not conformed to this world but transformed by the renewing of the mind.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

ohn assumed that Jesus was referring to Peter's death by crucifixion. John 21:19 (KJV): “Signifying by what death Peter should glorify God.”

John presumption is simply wrong. It is impossible that Jesus was referring in any way to Peter's crucifixion.

Only input but …why does John have to be the one who is presumptuous? Instead of the reader who assumes being presumptuous? “Signifying by what death Peter should glorify God.” The reader assumes “crucifix” literally; yet when the reader speaks of “crucified with Christ” concerning there own walk…it is not assumed as literally crucified but a walk..where Christ three times asked not to take that walk—despising the shame— but submission to “not my Will, but Your Will Father be done—enduring for the Joy set before Him.

what if John is not the one who assumed wrong. Again, instead the reader. What if Peter crucified…the focus is on the wrong crucifixion of Peter with Christ? What date will the reader write for their own crucifixion with Christ?

John 21:18 (Original Greek) “Truly, truly I say to you. When you were young, you tied a strap around yourself and walked where you wanted to walk. But when you are old, you will extend your hands and another will gird you, and carry you where you do not want to go.”

I’m not sure where “strap” came from.
Consider “young” and “old” though. The reader once again right from the beginning assumes: literal age. which can lead to confusion of did John presume too much? But does God help out with “young” and “old” that overcomes possibilities of all kinds of assumptions? Throughout the word: maturity. Speaks more than of age? Grown up in Christ. Youth. A Child when you should have been teachers. Still carnal and not able to speak to you concerning the Spiritual but had to speak to you as yet carnal. (Growth?) Paul’s when I was a child I spoke as a child, but when I became a man(Christ speaking in me) I put away childish things (all malice). The passage on “young men” and “fathers” all at least in my opinion giving a new definition to “young” and “old” in Christ. At least for me right from the start with Peter “when you were young” “when you are old”times given: one when Peter is young he girds himself and walks where he wishes. Another time, just an opinion, as “mature” “until Christ be formed in you”, a grown up in Christ, strengthened, fed meat? as Christ said to Peter: when you are converted Peter, strengthen your brothers. To me Christ was giving a sign of “yet when you are old, Peter, another will gird your loins about, your Light will be burning, and carry you where you would not.(for the flesh is weak but the Spirit of God is willing” We assume the passage prophesied a lifting up of Peter on a literal crucifix…causing the finding fault as John must have presumed too much.

Did John?
Did what was given come to pass? Can Peters death and Life in Christ be ignored?

Can any with certainty give the date Peter died by crucifixion? Yet did John have it wrong in relaying what would come to pass…Peter’s maturity and walk in Christ passing from death unto Life? Prophesying Peter as young would stumble as a child girding himself about and walking where he wished. (Makes me think of when Peter asked Jesus if Peter could go with Jesus to His death. Saying “I’m ready to die and go into imprisonment with You.” where Christ replied “Peter, you will deny knowing me three times this night.” Yet Johns prophecy given of Christ was that when Peter was “old”; another would gird Peter and carry Peter where he would not go. Indeed.

we can’t give an exact date of Peters’ literally being crucified. But to me Johns prophecy was not an assumption of something that would not come to pass concerning Peter. but instead the the Spirit of God would gird and carry Peter where Peter would not …the topic “do you love Me Peter?” The Third time grieved Peter, and he says “Lord you know I love You.” Jesus Imo opinion would not have said it, unless what John had written was accurate…Peter will mature in Christ. “Again, feed My Lambs” …supported also where satan asked for Peter and Christ again to me prophesied “I’ve prayed your faith fails not. When you are converted Peter, strengthen your brothers.”: strengthen your brothers —feed My Lambs —The Spirit of God will gird you, your Light will be burning—humble yourself before God and Christ will give you Light —Another will indeed carry you where you would not, because it is My Fathers Will that you bear fruit.
“Signifying by what death Peter should glorify God.”
Imo:
“That you will know when it comes to pass, that I told you before Peter what would come to pass.”
Comforting Peter Imo. Would Peter remember that Christ had said “I will be with you.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Only input but …why does John have to be the one who is presumptuous? Instead of the reader who assumes being presumptuous? “Signifying by what death Peter should glorify God.” The reader assumes “crucifix” literally; yet when the reader speaks of “crucified with Christ” concerning there own walk…it is not assumed as literally crucified but a walk..where Christ three times asked not to take that walk—despising the shame— but submission to “not my Will, but Your Will Father be done—enduring for the Joy set before Him.

what if John is not the one who assumed wrong. Again, instead the reader. What if Peter crucified…the focus is on the wrong crucifixion of Peter with Christ? What date will the reader write for their own crucifixion with Christ?



I’m not sure where “strap” came from.
Consider “young” and “old” though. The reader once again right from the beginning assumes: literal age. which can lead to confusion of did John presume too much? But does God help out with “young” and “old” that overcomes possibilities of all kinds of assumptions? Throughout the word: maturity. Speaks more than of age? Grown up in Christ. Youth. A Child when you should have been teachers. Still carnal and not able to speak to you concerning the Spiritual but had to speak to you as yet carnal. (Growth?) Paul’s when I was a child I spoke as a child, but when I became a man(Christ speaking in me) I put away childish things (all malice). The passage on “young men” and “fathers” all at least in my opinion giving a new definition to “young” and “old” in Christ. At least for me right from the start with Peter “when you were young” “when you are old”times given: one when Peter is young he girds himself and walks where he wishes. Another time, just an opinion, as “mature” “until Christ be formed in you”, a grown up in Christ, strengthened, fed meat? as Christ said to Peter: when you are converted Peter, strengthen your brothers. To me Christ was giving a sign of “yet when you are old, Peter, another will gird your loins about, your Light will be burning, and carry you where you would not.(for the flesh is weak but the Spirit of God is willing” We assume the passage prophesied a lifting up of Peter on a literal crucifix…causing the finding fault as John must have presumed too much.

Did John?
Did what was given come to pass? Can Peters death and Life in Christ be ignored?

Can any with certainty give the date Peter died by crucifixion? Yet did John have it wrong in relaying what would come to pass…Peter’s maturity and walk in Christ passing from death unto Life? Prophesying Peter as young would stumble as a child girding himself about and walking where he wished. (Makes me think of when Peter asked Jesus if Peter could go with Jesus to His death. Saying “I’m ready to die and go into imprisonment with You.” where Christ replied “Peter, you will deny knowing me three times this night.” Yet Johns prophecy given of Christ was that when Peter was “old”; another would gird Peter and carry Peter where he would not go. Indeed.

we can’t give an exact date of Peters’ literally being crucified. But to me Johns prophecy was not an assumption of something that would not come to pass concerning Peter. but instead the the Spirit of God would gird and carry Peter where Peter would not …the topic “do you love Me Peter?” The Third time grieved Peter, and he says “Lord you know I love You.” Jesus Imo opinion would not have said it, unless what John had written was accurate…Peter will mature in Christ. “Again, feed My Lambs” …supported also where satan asked for Peter and Christ again to me prophesied “I’ve prayed your faith fails not. When you are converted Peter, strengthen your brothers.”: strengthen your brothers —feed My Lambs —The Spirit of God will gird you, your Light will be burning—humble yourself before God and Christ will give you Light —Another will indeed carry you where you would not, because it is My Fathers Will that you bear fruit.
“Signifying by what death Peter should glorify God.”
Imo:
“That you will know when it comes to pass, that I told you before Peter what would come to pass.”
Comforting Peter Imo. Would Peter remember that Christ had said “I will be with you.”

personally what I was always told the passage means is that Peter became a paraplegic, needing another to carry him around. To me that is missing the point of who it was that carried Peter.