Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Truth7t7]

Jesus was none of those. Perhaps He was a Futurist in that He prayed "Thy kingdom come...", and perhaps a Preterist because He claimed "I am."

Jesus was and is rather, for lack of a better term, an Eternalist. But labels do not help in defining He who is infinite.

On the contrary, all these things are better understood to be eternal acts revealed over time. Which is to say: What is not at all on a historical timeline, is merely revealed on one.

When Jesus walked the earth he spoke of a future resurrection, second coming, final judgment, and eternal kingdom "Future" literal events not fulfilled

 

[ScottA]

When Jesus walked the earth he spoke of a future resurrection, second coming, final judgment, and eternal kingdom "Future" literal events not fulfilled

All of those events are only "future" to those who have not come to them yet. But with God who is the Author of those events--there is no past, present, or future, but only eternity. Jesus and Paul explained it this way:

1. The resurrection that was and is only future, is only future until...as Paul said it, "but each one in his own order."
2. The second coming of Jesus, He explained would "not come when you expect", but when He "knocks at the door and we open it." Again, "each one in his own order."
3. Likewise, Final judgment is made when one is "chosen." Such is salvation. It is when "many are called, but few are chosen" that "some are raised up to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt", that is "old things have passed away, all things have become new"..."but each one in his own order."
4. Eternity starts when death no longer reigns...again "but each one in his own order." Just as all come into the world "but each one in his own order", all also leave, which is the commencement of all that is eternal.

It is in this way that the events that seem to exist on the illusion of this worldly would-be timeline, are also the timeless and eternal events of God. There is no other way to reconcile the times of this world with the eternity of God. And just as it is possible to enter into the eternity of Christ Jesus by being born [again] of the spirit of God who is eternal, it is also possible not to believe it nor see it until the flesh is returned to the earth. But it is only those who believe in all of this that was promised, who reign with Christ unto the end: "God is the god of the living."

 

[Truth7t7]

All of those events are only "future" to those who have not come to them yet. But with God who is the Author of those events--there is no past, present, or future, but only eternity. Jesus and Paul explained it this way:

1. The resurrection that was and is only future, is only future until...as Paul said it, "but each one in his own order."
2. The second coming of Jesus, He explained would "not come when you expect", but when He "knocks at the door and we open it." Again, "each one in his own order."
3. Likewise, Final judgment is made when one is "chosen." Such is salvation. It is when "many are called, but few are chosen" that "some are raised up to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt", that is "old things have passed away, all things have become new"..."but each one in his own order."
4. Eternity starts when death no longer reigns...again "but each one in his own order." Just as all come into the world "but each one in his own order", all also leave, which is the commencement of all that is eternal.

It is in this way that the events that seem to exist on the illusion of this worldly would-be timeline, are also the timeless and eternal events of God. There is no other way to reconcile the times of this world with the eternity of God. And just as it is possible to enter into the eternity of Christ Jesus by being born [again] of the spirit of God who is eternal, it is also possible not to believe it nor see it until the flesh is returned to the earth. But it is only those who believe in all of this that was promised, who reign with Christ unto the end: "God is the god of the living."

Scott it appears you deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens as seen below?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[covenantee]

Of course the Roman's destroyed Jerusalem, but it played no part in fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24

You follow"Preterism" in 66-70AD fulfillment and desire to promote this teaching in error

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, and Matthew 24:29-30 The Second Coming, these are "Future Events" unfulfilled

Did Jesus predict the destruction of Jerusalem in Scripture outside of Matthew 24?

 

[ScottA]

Scott it appears you deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens as seen below?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

No I do not deny it. But to the contrary, what is actually "literal" is not of the world, but of God and "does not come by observation" in the world, for Jesus said, "the world sees me no more." Which is to say, these things which many have expected to see, they will not see except after the end when they come into His presence. Or in the case of those of us who now "see Him as He is" we see Him even now.

 

[Truth7t7]

Did Jesus predict the destruction of Jerusalem in Scripture outside of Matthew 24?

Make your statement and claim, back it up with scripture in support

I don't play teacher/student guessing games

One thing I do know, Preterism in 66-70AD fulfillment is a false teaching, just like Dispensationalism, and Millennialism are false teachings

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

No I do not deny it. But to the contrary, what is actually "literal" is not of the world, but of God and "does not come by observation" in the world, for Jesus said, "the world sees me no more." Which is to say, these things which many have expected to see, they will not see except after the end when they come into His presence. Or in the case of those of us who now "see Him as He is" we see Him even now.

Scott Direct Question?

Will Jesus Christ return (literally), and (visibly) in the heavens, as literal (human eyes on this earth) watch the future event?

"They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[covenantee]

Make your statement and claim, back it up with scripture in support

I don't play teacher/student guessing games

One thing I do know, Preterism in 66-70AD fulfillment is a false teaching, just like Dispensationalism, and Millennialism are false teachings

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 23
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 23
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The bad guy below that causes Daniel's AOD seen in Matthew 24:15 will be present on earth to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End)

Scripture clearly teaches that the event is future, and didnt take place in 66-70AD in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, as Preterism claims

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

[covenantee]

The bad guy below that causes Daniel's AOD seen in Matthew 24:15 will be present on earth to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End)

Scripture clearly teaches that the event is future, and didnt take place in 66-70AD in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, as Preterism claims

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Thanks for providing the Scriptures which confirm the historical desolation of Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37-38.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus was alive after 70 AD. He knew that His prophecy about the Judean Christians had been fulfilled by them before 70 AD. He was a preterist.

Jesus is alive today. He knows that His prophecy about the Judean Christians was fulfilled by them before 70 AD. He is a preterist.

The Judean Christians were alive after 70 AD. They knew that they had fulfilled Jesus' prophecy about them before 70 AD. They were preterists.

Sorry, but Jesus never claimed to be A Preterist.

Your opinion is on overdrive.

A Preterist is one mentally stuck in the past, so no excuse can overcome that deficiency.

"events which have already happened."

Nothing in there about future events.

 

[covenantee]

Sorry, but Jesus never claimed to be A Preterist.

Your opinion is on overdrive.

A Preterist is one mentally stuck in the past, so no excuse can overcome that deficiency.

"events which have already happened."

Nothing in there about future events.

Sorry, but Jesus never claimed to be a futurist.

Your opinion is dead on the road.

A futurist is one hallucinating and fantasizing about what has not happened, so historically fulfilled Scripture easily overcomes that deficiency.

"events which have not happened."

Everything in there about past events.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks for providing the Scriptures which confirm the historical desolation of Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37-38.

The Consummation is a "Future Event", and it didn't take place in your "Preterist" 66-70AD Jerusalem

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Scripture clearly teaches that the event is future, and didnt take place in 66-70AD in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, as Preterism claims

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

[covenantee]

The Consummation is a "Future" event, and it didn't take place in your "Preterist" 66-70AD Jerusalem

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Congratulations.

 

[Truth7t7]

Congratulations..

"Congratulations" Biblical truth has been presented, and you are now accountable, having full knowledge of this Biblical truth seen below

The Consummation is a "Future Event", and it didn't take place in your "Preterist" 66-70AD Jerusalem

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Scripture clearly teaches that the event is future, and didnt take place in 66-70AD in the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, as Preterism claims

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

(Even Until The Consummation)

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

[Timtofly]

Sorry, but Jesus never claimed to be a futurist.

Your opinion is dead on the road.

A futurist is one hallucinating and fantasizing about what has not happened, so historically fulfilled Scripture easily overcomes that deficiency.

I have never claimed to be A futurist, nor have I claimed Jesus was. You can relish your theology and opinion, at least while you can.

Arguing about the past will not change the past.

 

[ScottA]

Scott Direct Question?

Will Jesus Christ return (literally), and (visibly) in the heavens, as literal (human eyes on this earth) watch the future event?

"They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You should not need to ask me--for it says "coming [in the clouds of heaven]", which is to say, not in the world. And as I also pointed out, is confirmed by Jesus who said, "the world will see Me no more" John 14:19.

 

[Truth7t7]

You should not need to ask me--for it says "coming [in the clouds of heaven]", which is to say, not in the world. And as I also pointed out, is confirmed by Jesus who said, "the world will see Me no more" John 14:19.

"Not In The World"

Your response clearly shows that you deny a future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens, as human eyes on earth witness the future event

Scott's Initial Direct Question Below?

Will Jesus Christ return (literally), and (visibly) in the heavens, as literal (human eyes on this earth) watch the future event?

 

[covenantee]

I have never claimed to be A futurist, nor have I claimed Jesus was.

Nor have I.

You can relish your theology and opinion, at least while you can.

So can you.

Arguing about the past will not change the past.

Arguing about the future will not change the future.

 

[covenantee]

The Consummation is a "Future Event", and it didn't take place in your "Preterist" 66-70AD Jerusalem

The consummation was an historical Scriptural reality, and took place in Jesus' historical Scriptural 66-70AD Judea.

Matthew 23:37-38 demonstrates your error in futurizing Matthew 24.