What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[1stCenturyLady]

I agree with everything that you write above as long as you don't tell me that the data above then means that Jesus is God.

Open your mind. You are full of unbelief and tunnel vision.

 

[Peterlag]

What do you mean by the modern Greek texts? The Byzantine? I thought scholars preferred the oldest texts (Alexandrian) because they were closer to the original and that's why it is rendered the birth.

I prefer the older texts. But if someone has good translating even in the newer translations. Well, I suppose we can mention it.

 

[Mr E]

I agree with everything that you write above as long as you don't tell me that the data above then means that Jesus is God.

Why would I? I don't believe it.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

You've now made yourself into a forum troll... attention seeking, unpleasant and goading @Heart2Soul for some action that you probably think will make you some sort of forum martyr. It won't. You'll be gone and no one will mind.

Why not simply humble yourself instead, apologize, seek forgiveness and move on. Have discussions with folks and forgo the insults. It's totally up to you-- you could change course, or you could continue the way you are going in stubborn, self-righteous obnoxiousness.

Folks here would forgive and forget-- they really would. All you'd have to do is acknowledge your actions and apply a little self-reflection. Are you willing to do that?

One of their first posts was a plagiarized article they copied and pasted into a thread here. After changing a word or two to make it seem like their own intellectual work.

Now, like a couple of others here who behave with the same condescending arrogance toward Christians and scripture they brag about their ''education''. Only that account claims to know multiple languages. That they cannot even write properly when seeking to condescend to Christians and assail the scriptures.

Same posting styles.
One of many? Or many as one.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Satan sows unbiblical concepts to divide and conquer.

Any words that are not found in the Bible should not be thrown around to cause divisions.

Antichrist is our enemy.

The lying Antichrist does this:

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

But some people changed this into:

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ God? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

This grieves me to no end!

“Trinity” ain’t in the Bible nowhere!

“God-man” ain’t anywhere in scripture!

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Do you think Mary messed up? Or that she disobeyed? She named him Jesus (Joshua) Yeshua-- however you want to slice it-- she didn't "name" him Immanuel. Joshua means "God saves" or God is salvation" it does not mean "God with us" so she either got it wrong, or you have.

You should familiarize yourself with the story. The "angel" did not instruct her to name the baby Immanuel. The messenger told both her and Joseph to name the baby Jesus, which they did. Whether you read the account according to Matthew or Luke it doesn't matter. Both record that the angel instructed them to name the baby Jesus--- GOD saves.

“Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. (Luke 1)

Matthew records that Joseph was instructed by Gabriel to name the boy Jesus.

“Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. “She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

Do you know where they were told to name him Immanuel? Nowhere.

Yes, one as many.

Nowhere. Uh huh.
Isaiah 7

Matthew 1

 

[RLT63]

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[Peterlag]

Thanks. I want to know what people believe and why they believe it. You provided that for me.

I’m a mature believer but I still drink milk with my meal.

I think a great question would be what are those verses that Paul said were addressed to those who had to be fed with milk? What was he saying to those he was referring to when he said something like... I determined not to know anything among you... except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

 

[RLT63]

Matthew 1:23

 

[Mr E]

Matthew 1:23

Seriously?

 

[Matthias]

They don't care about the truth.

I’d like to tell you something. Just between you, me and the hat rack. Come a little closer; I won’t bite.

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I haven’t spoken with a single person here and come away with the impression that he or she doesn’t care about the truth. Not one.

You can call me blind. You can call me naive. You can call me foolish. And maybe I am. But I’ve not yet met anyone on these forums who I thought has no interest in the truth.

I’d appreciate it if you’d keep that under your hat.

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All evidence as why Jesus was God, his name Immanuel in the old testament prophecy of his coming, and the new testaments account of God's angel who instructed Mary to name her pending baby Immanuel, ''God with us'', that some even go so far as to say isn't what the name means.

Everyone looks at the same evidence in a court case. Not everyone comes to the same conclusion about what the evidence suggests.

I think the question becomes one of, why would a Christian deny Jesus was divine God when Jesus and other passages state he was God?

I think that’s a good question, and the right one to ask.

When that fact is precisely why we are saved.

What if it isn’t a fact? I know you believe it is, and you’re hardly alone in thinking that it is, but what if it isn’t? Do you have room to even consider the possibility that it might not be? Is your mind open or is your mind closed?

 

[Mr E]

Yes, one as many.

Nowhere. Uh huh.
Isaiah 7

Matthew 1

Do better. Be honest. Read the accounts and tell me-- quote where Gabriel asked Mary or Joseph to name the baby Immanuel.

 

[RLT63]

Seriously?

Are you doubting Matthew?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

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Matthew 1:23

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Do better. Be honest. Read the accounts and tell me-- quote where Gabriel asked Mary or Joseph to name the baby Immanuel.

You have my deepest sympathies.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Are you doubting Matthew?

One of ''many'' here who doubt the entire gospel.

 

[farouk]

Just ask @Nancy...she will confirm that I hate using emoji's.

All those little faces buzzing around can be a bit bewildering, right....?

 

[Mr E]

Are you doubting Matthew?

Matthew doesn't record anyone instructing Mary and/or Joseph to name the baby Immanuel. You might not know that, but @Blue Dragonfly's certainly does (by now) and if she was willing to be honest with the text, she'd admit it.

Matthew editorializes the text and quotes from Isaiah 7-- but that was not part of the angel's instructions to either of them.

Read it for yourself since you haven't. What was recorded in Isaiah was communicated to Isaiah-- not Mary and/or Joseph.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I think they're cute.
They also help to break up the monotony in a contentious thread.

All those little faces buzzing around can be a bit bewildering, right....?

 

[Dropship]

Why did you ignore the scriptures quoted above where God is calling His Son God??
You are choosing to deny Him. This is very dangerous for your soul.

You're putting your own interpretation on ambiguous verses which are heavily laced with metaphor, symbolism and abstractions, whereas I prefer clearcut verses that indicate Jesus definitely WASN'T God.
I believe he was the Son of God, but if you don't believe that you're definitely a candidate for the naughty step..:)
"Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God" (1 John 5:5)
"Simon Peter said- 'You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied 'Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
"The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands" (John 3:34-35)