What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[RLT63]

Argue with valid scripture please. You read the scripture provided and yet you cannot accept it. Why?
The appointed elders are to judge those inside the congregation if willful wrongdoing has become known. It is their responsibility before God to rid the congregation of leaven....which is anything that may corrupt others.
Sexual misconduct was a very serious matter under God's law, and since God does not change his standards, but humans do, we have to be careful to uphold God's standards and not the world's.

Have them confess their sins to God. No need to publicly shame them.

 

[Johann]

Yes because the scriptures say so. There is no impediment to his being a creation of his Father except if you believe in the trinity...it is the only impediment.

So, because of your intense dislike against the Three in One, One in Being, you have reduced the great God and Savior, Christ Jesus to that of a "created being?!"

You are no scholar, yet you sit in the seat of Moshe, like the rabbis, and add and subtract solitary verses to built your "truth/viewpoint?"

 

[Aunty Jane]

Have them confess their sins to God. No need to publicly shame them.

Sins in the congregation are always confessed to God, but serious ones must be confessed to the elders. They are there to offer loving counsel and correction and if necessary, discipline....but it is never done in a spirit of malice.

No one is disfellowshipped if they are repentant. The elders are not the police. They are God's representatives administering his love which sometimes comes in the form of discipline, and if you read the scriptures you would see this. God disciplines those he loves.....and it hurts. But the pain is gain if we learn and are corrected by it.

 

[Johann]

If you say so....I am not here to argue...just to present the scriptures as I understand them....I let them tell the story.

Same here, not here to argue, leave the OJB alone and concentrate on the enormity of your error...you, and all that holds this belief, that the great God and Savior is reduced to a "created being" because of your strong aversion to the Triune Godhead, although the word "Trinity" is not found in Scriptures, but definitely implied, if you seek and search, diligently.
You are in error AJ.

 

[Johann]

I am not buying what you are selling...

The Truth, as it stands written in Scriptures, and not AJ's heteros beliefs.

 

[Matthias]

Heterodoxy isn’t a dirty word.

 

[Matthias]

A person who is begotten, a person who is conceived;
Is a human person, a created person indeed.

 

[Lizbeth]

1.) Do you have a verse that says Jesus had to be both God and man to be the mediator?
2.) I can't get to your question as to why the grave could not hold him because I can't get past the fact that God can't die.

It's all over the bible, I can't think of an isolated verse that says it explicitly, though that doesn't mean there isn't one. But the bible says explicitly that He was God manifest in the flesh. So we have God and we have the flesh that He came in. The scripture says "a body thou hast prepared for me." He was both son of God and son of Man, also explicitly stated in the bible, so your argument that He couldn't have been more than one thing at the same time doesn't hold water. (Also reasoning this way, for example, a person certainly can be a fireman, say, while at the same time also being a parent, while also being a board member of a charity, and perhaps also being a student at night classes...busy life, lol.)

There were things Jesus could only be/do because He was divine, eg, to begin with, His sinlessness, as well as the scope and innumerable miracles that He performed including raising the dead, and Himself rising from the dead.......and there were things that He also had to be human in order to undertake, eg, He had to be human in order to be forerunner for humans, and in order to bear our human weakness and sins on the cross...He had to be human in order to shed His blood.

Scripture says Jesus as the second Adam was "the Lord from heaven." The second Adam, therefore a MAN, was the Lord from heaven...how much more explicit could that be? Yet we still need eyes to see it.....are you born again?

 

[Johann]

What have they got to teach me about Jesus Christ? Seriously?

They have a lot to teach, but now that I know what you believe, I actually wonder in what you believe..?
Makes any sense?
There's a multiplicity of words, the quoting of scriptures, right out of context, to support what? Monotheism?
Yet even that is fine, but to reduce our Lord and great God, Christ Jesus to that of a "created being...?"
10 reasons why Christ is NOT God?
You have to be kidding me.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well, because I believe Jesus is not God. So for me I have to try to figure out why anyone would want him to be God. There's nothing in the Scriptures that gives any reason for him to be God which is why nobody can find a verse.

You've been given scriptures but aren't "hearing" them.

 

[Johann]

A person who is begotten, a person who is conceived;
Is a human person, a created person indeed.

Human philosophy and reasoning mate, the scriptures don't agree with you.

 

[RLT63]

Sins in the congregation are always confessed to God, but serious ones must be confessed to the elders. They are there to offer loving counsel and correction and if necessary, discipline....but it is never done in a spirit of malice.

No one is disfellowshipped if they are repentant. The elders are not the police. They are God's representatives administering his love which sometimes comes in the form of discipline, and if you read the scriptures you would see this. God disciplines those he loves.....and it hurts. But the pain is gain if we learn and are corrected by it.

You don't even know the details of the incident I described. You don't know if the girl repented.

 

[Matthias]

Human philosophy and reasoning mate, the scriptures don't agree with you.

You don’t think you were begotten? (The act of a father.) You don’t think you were conceived? (The act of a mother.) You don’t think you’re a human person? You don’t think you’re created?

You think biology is philosophy? You think scripture disagrees with biology?

 

[Lizbeth]

And Mary was what?

1.) Human
2.) A perfect human
3.) A god woman
4.) The mother of God

The mother was human, but the father was God Almighty.....I'll just leave it to your little grey cells to figure out the kind of offspring that produced. :)

 

[Matthias]

Remember @Johann, in trinitarian philosophy, Jesus is not a human person.

 

[RLT63]

Remember @Johann, in trinitarian philosophy, Jesus is not a human person.

Jesus is a human person, fully man also divine.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus is a human person, fully man also divine.

Trinitarianism teaches that Jesus is not a human person. Has the trinitarian clergy never told you that?

 

[Matthias]

Jesus is a human person, fully man also divine.

btw, what you stated here is precisely what I believe about Jesus.

 

[RLT63]

Trinitarianism teaches that Jesus is not a human person. Has the trinitarian clergy never told you that?

The Bible clearly says he was.

 

[Matthias]

The Bible clearly says he was.

That’s right. That’s also one of the reasons, not the only reason, that I’m no longer a trinitarian.