Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[covenantee]

I got that from his video

In this video it says that Messiah is revealed in 26AD toward the end of the video.


I used the date March 5, 444 BC

As for the source this info came from, I just did a bing search and typed in "when was the decree to rebuild jerusalem"

when was the decree to rebuild jerusalem - Search

Our dates are quite different.

I'll let Chris explain the difference between 457 BC and 444 BC.

 

[Christian Gedge]

What alternate date to 457 BC do you use, and from what source?

I used the date March 5, 444 BC

As for the source this info came from, I just did a bing search and typed in "when was the decree to rebuild jerusalem"

when was the decree to rebuild jerusalem - Search

Our dates are quite different.

Yes, as you can see from the O.P. I use April 7, 457 BC. There have always been two schools of thought about this and that is because Ezra received a decree in Emperor Artaxerxes seventh year (457 BC). Then again, Nehemiah was permitted to go to Jerusalem in Artaxerxes 20th year (444 BC).

If you read commentaries from covenant theology authors they will favour the former, and if your commentaries are written by dispensational authors their dates will always be the latter. Here are a few reasons why the early date is the better choice:

1. A simple count from 457BC to the beginning of Jesus ministry is 483 literal years. (69 weeks) Counting from 444BC requires a novel 360-day calendar to make it work.
2. March 5 is too early to be considered for the beginning of that year. The barley had to ripen for the Passover festivities and early March was simply too cold.
3. The early start date synchronises with known sabbatical cycles and climaxes at the grand Jubilee that Jesus references in Luke 4:18-19.

Hope that helps.

 

[The Light]

Yes, as you can see from the O.P. I use April 7, 457 BC. There have always been two schools of thought about this and that is because Ezra received a decree in Emperor Artaxerxes seventh year (457 BC). Then again, Nehemiah was permitted to go to Jerusalem in Artaxerxes 20th year (444 BC).

If you read commentaries from covenant theology authors they will favour the former, and if your commentaries are written by dispensational authors their dates will always be the latter.

Yes, thanks. That is what I determined when I saw there are two different numbers.

Here are a few reasons why the early date is the better choice:

1. A simple count from 457BC to the beginning of Jesus ministry is 483 literal years. (69 weeks) Counting from 444BC requires a novel 360-day calendar to make it work.
2. March 5 is too early to be considered for the beginning of that year. The barley had to ripen for the Passover festivities and early March was simply too cold.
3. The early start date synchronises with known sabbatical cycles and climaxes at the grand Jubilee that Jesus references in Luke 4:18-19.

Hope that helps.

Ok. Here are a few reasons why I think the 444 BC is the better date.

1.) The scripture says: Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Here is the decree which shows the restoring and building of Jerusalem, which I'm know you are well aware of. Nehemiah 2:8 And a letter unto Asaph the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the palace which appertained to the house, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall enter into. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my God upon me.

And here is the result of the decree. Nehemiah 2:17 Then said I unto them, Ye see the distress that we are in, how Jerusalem lieth waste, and the gates thereof are burned with fire: come, and let us build up the wall of Jerusalem, that we be no more a reproach.

18 Then I told them of the hand of my God which was good upon me; as also the king's words that he had spoken unto me. And they said, Let us rise up and build. So they strengthened their hands for this good work.

The decree in 457 BC seems to be about the Temple of God and not about the rebuilding of the city of Jerusalem. Ezra 7:27 Blessed be the Lord God of our fathers, which hath put such a thing as this in the king's heart, to beautify the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem:

2.) Gods plan shows that he is not done with Israel. Hosea 9:10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

God's plan shows that the fathers of the Jews were seen as the first ripe in the fig tree at her first time, meaning that Israel was to be the first harvest, but they served other Gods and will not be the first harvest. The Gentiles will be the 1st harvest. The fig tree has two harvests, and the 12 tribes across the earth will be the second harvest.

We know that part of Israel cannot have its blindness removed until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

3.) The Word of God shows that there will be a future harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth as here are the first fruits of this coming harvest.
Revelation 14:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Here is the actual harvest of the 12 tribes from the earth that occurs at the 6th seal before the wrath of God.

Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

We can see that it is the 12 tribes who are raptured from the earth to heaven as they are singing the song of Moses.

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

BTW, I have watched several of your videos. They are excellent, well put together and you have a great speaking voice. Obviously, we have different opinions but that's the way things roll.

 

[The Light]

I'll let Chris explain the difference between 457 BC and 444 BC.

From what I can see, the decree in 457 BC has to do with the Temple of God whereas the decree in 444 BC has to do with the rebuilding of Jerusalem which is what we are looking for.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

 

[Timtofly]

Sunday

Check out a calendar then. The 10th of Nissan in 32AD was a Thursday. I think you mean the 11th of Nissan of 30AD.

 

[Timtofly]

Ok. Here are a few reasons why I think the 444 BC is the better date.

You think they lived in tents until 400BC?

Jerusalem was restored years before the Temple and the wall.

 

[The Light]

You think they lived in tents until 400BC?

Jerusalem was restored years before the Temple and the wall.

Really?

Nehemiah 2:17 Then said I unto them, Ye see the distress that we are in, how Jerusalem lieth waste, and the gates thereof are burned with fire: come, and let us build up the wall of Jerusalem, that we be no more a reproach.

 

[Christian Gedge]

The decree in 457 BC seems to be about the Temple of God and not about the rebuilding of the city of Jerusalem. Ezra 7:27

But if we go back to verse Ezra 7:25 he was also told to "appoint magistrates and judges etc" so we can assume the city and temple go together.

BTW, I have watched several of your videos. They are excellent, well put together and you have a great speaking voice. Obviously, we have different opinions but that's the way things roll.

Thanks Light. Glad you liked. :)

 

[Timtofly]

Really?

Nehemiah 2:17 Then said I unto them, Ye see the distress that we are in, how Jerusalem lieth waste, and the gates thereof are burned with fire: come, and let us build up the wall of Jerusalem, that we be no more a reproach.

Yes, the walls don't make a town, the houses make up a town. The wall only keeps the enemy out. The wall was the last thing to be built. Nehemiah was the one who rebuilt the wall, not the city. Go back to Ezra 4:18-21

"The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me. And I (king Artaxerxes) commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition have been made therein. There have been mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countries beyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them. Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me."

The city was already being restored, and Artaxerxes stopped the restoration project.

For 7 weeks, 49 years it was being restored. Then the work stopped. Nehemiah came later in the 62 week period. Of course it was not finished (still lay waste, and the wall broken down). The work had stopped. The wall would still be the last thing restored.

Yes the decree of Cyrus centered around a temple and a city. They built houses and lived in them. They were working on the Temple. Then the worked stopped, because Artaxerxes put a stop to it.

Now you can say all you want about it not being about the Temple. Darius allowed them to build the Temple, but Artaxerxes stopped the building of the houses, as the temple was completed before Artaxerxes told them to stop building up the houses and the city itself.

Of course Artaxerxes did not give the command to rebuild the temple. It was already finished, when Artaxerxes told them to stop building the city itself. Nehemiah had to convince Artaxerxes to let him finish the city and the walls. But there were still houses built and the temple built. The city was just not finished and the wall itself still broken down.

Nehemiah pointed out there were houses in some places, and a lack of houses in other places. When the work stopped, the enemy even took up residence in the temple and chased out the people of Israel from occupying Jerusalem. There were not enough people willing to live in the city and it was too large for those who were there to keep up the needs of the city. Once Nehemiah built the walls, he had to enforce that they send people to live in Jerusalem and to defend it, once it was finished.

No one can claim the decree of Cyrus was not to build and restore Jerusalem. The decree restored many cities of Israel, including Jerusalem. But it was the enemies of Israel, that ruined the building of Jerusalem, not the matter of fact, no decree had been given. Darius got the temple back on track, when it was hindered. But one can clearly see it was Artaxerxes himself that stopped the restoration of Jerusalem and allowed Israel's enemies to take over control, even of the Temple. Until Nehemiah stepped up, and got permission from Artaxerxes to stand up against those enemies of Israel.

 

[The Light]

Yes, the walls don't make a town, the houses make up a town. The wall only keeps the enemy out. The wall was the last thing to be built. Nehemiah was the one who rebuilt the wall, not the city. Go back to Ezra 4:18-21

"The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me. And I (king Artaxerxes) commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition have been made therein. There have been mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countries beyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them. Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me."

The city was already being restored, and Artaxerxes stopped the restoration project.

All you are doing is proving my point.

Daniel 9:25
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince

Here is the decree of Cyrus. Do you see anything is his proclamation that says to rebuild the city of Jerusalem. It makes no matter if people built houses so they would have a place to live when they were working on the Temple. What matters is, where is the decree to rebuild Jerusalem? I don't see it.

Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

What you posted only says that they are told to stop building Jerusalem until the commandment is given to build Jerusalem. And when that commandment is given then we know that it is 69 weeks unto Messiah the Prince.

Those are the facts.

For 7 weeks, 49 years it was being restored. Then the work stopped. Nehemiah came later in the 62 week period. Of course it was not finished (still lay waste, and the wall broken down). The work had stopped. The wall would still be the last thing restored.

Yes the decree of Cyrus centered around a temple and a city. They built houses and lived in them. They were working on the Temple. Then the worked stopped, because Artaxerxes put a stop to it.

Now you can say all you want about it not being about the Temple. Darius allowed them to build the Temple, but Artaxerxes stopped the building of the houses, as the temple was completed before Artaxerxes told them to stop building up the houses and the city itself.

Of course Artaxerxes did not give the command to rebuild the temple. It was already finished, when Artaxerxes told them to stop building the city itself. Nehemiah had to convince Artaxerxes to let him finish the city and the walls. But there were still houses built and the temple built. The city was just not finished and the wall itself still broken down.

Nehemiah pointed out there were houses in some places, and a lack of houses in other places. When the work stopped, the enemy even took up residence in the temple and chased out the people of Israel from occupying Jerusalem. There were not enough people willing to live in the city and it was too large for those who were there to keep up the needs of the city. Once Nehemiah built the walls, he had to enforce that they send people to live in Jerusalem and to defend it, once it was finished.

None of this matters squat. I don't care if Jerusalem was 99.99999999999999999999999% complete. When was the decree given. 444 BC.

No one can claim the decree of Cyrus was not to build and restore Jerusalem. The decree restored many cities of Israel, including Jerusalem. But it was the enemies of Israel, that ruined the building of Jerusalem, not the matter of fact, no decree had been given. Darius got the temple back on track, when it was hindered. But one can clearly see it was Artaxerxes himself that stopped the restoration of Jerusalem and allowed Israel's enemies to take over control, even of the Temple. Until Nehemiah stepped up, and got permission from Artaxerxes to stand up against those enemies of Israel.

What do you mean that no one can claim that the decree of Cyrus was not to build houses and restore Jerusalem? Well, I mean no can claim that the decree of Cyrus was not to build campfires and roast weiners and marshmallows. Again. That does not matter squat. What matters is when the decree is given restore Jerusalem. I've already posted Cyrus's proclamation and it was only about the building of the house of God. Nothing there about the city of Jerusalem being built in the decree. So your argument is incorrect and left wanting.

 

[Timtofly]

All you are doing is proving my point.

Daniel 9:25
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince

Here is the decree of Cyrus. Do you see anything is his proclamation that says to rebuild the city of Jerusalem. It makes no matter if people built houses so they would have a place to live when they were working on the Temple. What matters is, where is the decree to rebuild Jerusalem? I don't see it.

Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

What you posted only says that they are told to stop building Jerusalem until the commandment is given to build Jerusalem. And when that commandment is given then we know that it is 69 weeks unto Messiah the Prince.

Those are the facts.


None of this matters squat. I don't care if Jerusalem was 99.99999999999999999999999% complete. When was the decree given. 444 BC.



What do you mean that no one can claim that the decree of Cyrus was not to build houses and restore Jerusalem? Well, I mean no can claim that the decree of Cyrus was not to build campfires and roast weiners and marshmallows. Again. That does not matter squat. What matters is when the decree is given restore Jerusalem. I've already posted Cyrus's proclamation and it was only about the building of the house of God. Nothing there about the city of Jerusalem being built in the decree. So your argument is incorrect and left wanting.

You got the 62 week part down pat.

You need work on that first 7 weeks by Cyrus. Ain't no one living in tents. They all went back to build all the cities including Jerusalem when the 70 year captivity was over.

 

[The Light]

You got the 62 week part down pat.

You need work on that first 7 weeks by Cyrus. Ain't no one living in tents. They all went back to build all the cities including Jerusalem when the 70 year captivity was over.

Well, you got the building part right. Just wondering if it will ever occur to you that we don't care about the building, we only care about the decree. Can you find anything about Cyrus proclaiming that Jerusalem will be rebuilt. No. If so, just post it. But you won't be able to because Cyrus never decreed the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

The reason people struggle with understanding the Word of God is because they just won't accept what the Word of God says.

 

[covenantee]

Well, you got the building part right. Just wondering if it will ever occur to you that we don't care about the building, we only care about the decree. Can you find anything about Cyrus proclaiming that Jerusalem will be rebuilt. No. If so, just post it. But you won't be able to because Cyrus never decreed the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

The reason people struggle with understanding the Word of God is because they just won't accept what the Word of God says.

Isaiah 44
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Isaiah 45
1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

 

[The Light]

Isaiah 44
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Isaiah 45
1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

Hey covenantee, excellent find. However, wouldn't this make Christian Gedge wrong? Also, it does not matter when the city of Jerusalem was being built. It only matters when the commandment was given to rebuild Jerusalem as we see in Daniel 9

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Here we see in Timtofly's post these nuggets. The building of the city was to cease and the building of the city was not resume until a future commandment was given.

Ezra 4
18 The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me.

19 And I commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition have been made therein.

20 There have been mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countries beyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them.

21 Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me.

Here is Cyrus's proclamation. Do you see any commandment to rebuild Jerusalem?

Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem.

6 And all they that were about them strengthened their hands with vessels of silver, with gold, with goods, and with beasts, and with precious things, beside all that was willingly offered.

7 Also Cyrus the king brought forth the vessels of the house of the Lord, which Nebuchadnezzar had brought forth out of Jerusalem, and had put them in the house of his gods;

8 Even those did Cyrus king of Persia bring forth by the hand of Mithredath the treasurer, and numbered them unto Sheshbazzar, the prince of Judah.

So now we know for sure that the only time that a commandment was given to restore Jerusalem was in 444 BC. Then after 483 years the Messiah enters Jerusalem on a donkey as prophesied. Then He is cut off and there are yet 7 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. The seven years will not begin until the rider on the white horse of the 1st seal, the prince that shall come, shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. This of course will occur after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in as part of Israel will have it's eyes opened.

 

[covenantee]

Hey covenantee, excellent find. However, wouldn't this make Christian Gedge wrong? Also, it does not matter when the city of Jerusalem was being built. It only matters when the commandment was given to rebuild Jerusalem as we see in Daniel 9

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Here we see in Timtofly's post these nuggets. The building of the city was to cease and the building of the city was not resume until a future commandment was given.

Ezra 4
18 The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me.

19 And I commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings, and that rebellion and sedition have been made therein.

20 There have been mighty kings also over Jerusalem, which have ruled over all countries beyond the river; and toll, tribute, and custom, was paid unto them.

21 Give ye now commandment to cause these men to cease, and that this city be not builded, until another commandment shall be given from me.

Here is Cyrus's proclamation. Do you see any commandment to rebuild Jerusalem?

Ezra 1
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.

5 Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised, to go up to build the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem.

6 And all they that were about them strengthened their hands with vessels of silver, with gold, with goods, and with beasts, and with precious things, beside all that was willingly offered.

7 Also Cyrus the king brought forth the vessels of the house of the Lord, which Nebuchadnezzar had brought forth out of Jerusalem, and had put them in the house of his gods;

8 Even those did Cyrus king of Persia bring forth by the hand of Mithredath the treasurer, and numbered them unto Sheshbazzar, the prince of Judah.

So now we know for sure that the only time that a commandment was given to restore Jerusalem was in 444 BC. Then after 483 years the Messiah enters Jerusalem on a donkey as prophesied. Then He is cut off and there are yet 7 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. The seven years will not begin until the rider on the white horse of the 1st seal, the prince that shall come, shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. This of course will occur after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in as part of Israel will have it's eyes opened.

Ezra 6:14
14 And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

TL, as Chris cogently explains in "The Atonement Clock":

"This clear statement of scripture cuts right through the endless arguments, disagreements, wrangling, books and debates claiming one decree is the ‘most correct’ and all others are wrong etc. The simple truth is they are the same decree; they are all correct. The prophet Daniel makes it quite clear that his vision follows the earlier prophecy of Jeremiah, and when understood in that context we see a single decree issued in series and linked together in logical order. First, Cyrus issued the decree when Babylon fell just as Jeremiah said it would. Second, Darius’ proclamation came between September - December 520 BC, marking the completion of Jerusalem’s seventy-year desolation. Third came Artaxerxes’ decree in the year 457 BC. It started the new era of God’s background Jubilee clock, which had been ticking independently since before the nation began. Count from here!"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In some cases, yes when it is not my private interpretation. There are absolutes. There are foundational issues of faith and basic tenets of prophesy and etc. If someone waves away the tribulation and antichrist and 1000 year reign of Jesus and claims all people are actually killed on earth for example, I have great disdain for their claims.

Well, too bad for you then. Deal with it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. Having power and using it are different things! He had the power to kill Pilate and all Rome by lifting one baby finger! That does not mean He took over Rome or killed those who assaulted Him. Jesus has the power to come to earth and rule, but there is an appointed time set for that.

So, you think Jesus has just been twiddling His thumbs up in heaven for the past 2,000 years or so waiting for His chance to rule? To allow things to happen that can only happen if He allows them to happen is part of ruling and exercising His power. And, of course, He intervenes when He wants to as well. That also is part of ruling. For Him to have power and to rule does not equate to Him being some kind of dictator who forces everyone to do what He wants. That's ludicrous and is not taught anywhere in scripture. He is not going to mess around trying to be a dictator to those who don't believe in Him. Instead, He is going to destroy them. As it says in Psalm 2:9 He is going to break/destroy them so thoroughly that it is compared to breaking a vase into pieces.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John says THE AC will come. He then adds that even then there were many of that spirit. No one needs to disprove that there are a lot of antichrists in the world! Obviously there are, that was not the question.

Actually, John did not say that an individual Antichrist would come. He said that they heard antichrist would come and then he made it clear that there were already many antichrists back then. Some of them, like you, may have thought there was one Antichrist coming, but the reality is that there are MANY antichrists. John made it clear that ANYONE who denies Christ is antichrist (1 John 2:22). He did not say anything about an individual Antichrist at all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So now you openly deny that that wicked one will come one day. Bingo.

Great, so now that you have denied prophesy about that man of sin in the end let's move on. Time for you to be seen denying the millennium. Do you believe Jesus with His saints will rule the nations after He returns to earth, yes or no?

Does the phrase "the man of sin" have to be referring to an individual instead of referring to sinful mankind in general? I don't believe so. Is the following passage talking about one individual man of God?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Even though Paul references "the man of God" here, he's obviously not talking about an individual "man of God" but rather is talking about the people of God in general. Similarly, "the man of sin" is not referring to an individual "man of sin", but rather is referring to sinful mankind in general.

You referenced "that wicked one" which is another way of referring to "the man of sin". Does that have to be referring to one individual person? No. Is the following passage referring to a certain individual wicked person?

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

The reference to "that wicked person" here is not to an individual "wicked person", but rather is referring generally to any "fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner" which is referring to "them also that are without" the church.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus knew exactly what He was doing by coming on a donkey at the end of the 69th week Now, when we continue reading we see....

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Notice that the Word does not say....And after three score and two and a half weeks shall Messiah be cut off. Messiah is cut off after three score and two weeks. It cut and dried.

It says AFTER the 69th week, the Messiah would be cut off, not at the end of the 69th week. You are changing the text to fit your doctrine. It does not say how long AFTER the 69th week ends that He would be cut off.