Sunday the First day of the week the Lord’s day

[GerhardEbersoehn]

During the WHOLE period of the 1st to the 4th centuries AD THERE ARE NO LITERAL EQUIVALENTS of Revelation 1:10 the Adjective κυριακῇ and the Noun ἡμέρᾳ FOUND TOGETHER – so that, rendering with ‘the Lord’s DAY’, means INTENTIONAL FRAUD to make Christians believe since its beginning SUNDAY was the day of Christian worship.


IT HAS BEEN A SCANDALOUS, BLASPHEMOUS SCAM ALL ALONG,
the a priori fact of the post-Reformation phenomenon of ‘ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ’ Revelation 1:10 being applied for, Q~Sunday the First day of the week the Lord’s day~Q. Unquestionable irrefutable state of historical reality is NO single case of such interpretative usage in part – of only the Adjective κυριακῇ – ever existed before or during the 16th century AD Reformation, not to speak of it being used in full – Adjective with Noun. It never was! Ecclesiastical Scholarship is herewith challenged to present those cases which it has been asserting ‘royally’ now for more than four hundred years. ALL ALONG SCANDALOUS, B.L.A.S.P.H.E.M.O.U.S SCAM!

 

[Charlie24]

During the WHOLE period of the 1st to the 4th centuries AD THERE ARE NO LITERAL EQUIVALENTS of Revelation 1:10 the Adjective κυριακῇ and the Noun ἡμέρᾳ FOUND TOGETHER – so that, rendering with ‘the Lord’s DAY’, means INTENTIONAL FRAUD to make Christians believe since its beginning SUNDAY was the day of Christian worship.
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IT HAS BEEN A SCANDALOUS, BLASPHEMOUS SCAM ALL ALONG,
the a priori fact of the post-Reformation phenomenon of ‘ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ’ Revelation 1:10 being applied for, Q~Sunday the First day of the week the Lord’s day~Q. Unquestionable irrefutable state of historical reality is NO single case of such interpretative usage in part – of only the Adjective κυριακῇ – ever existed before or during the 16th century AD Reformation, not to speak of it being used in full – Adjective with Noun. It never was! Ecclesiastical Scholarship is herewith challenged to present those cases which it has been asserting ‘royally’ now for more than four hundred years. ALL ALONG SCANDALOUS, B.L.A.S.P.H.E.M.O.U.S SCAM!
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The Scripture doesn't tell us directly that we must hold church services on Saturday or Sunday.

Our church holds services on the first day of week because that is the day the church "gathered together and broke bread" (Acts 20:7).

Also in 1 Cor. 16:2 the church gathered on the first day of the week to gather the gifts for the suffering saints in Jerusalem. It was the day of giving, the same as we do today.

But again, there is no commandment to hold church services on a particular day. If you want to gather together on the Jewish sabbath, have at it.

The reason we don't gather on the Jewish sabbath is that Christ fulfilled the Law in all its capacity. The sabbath represented rest, that rest is found in the finished work of Christ in the New Covenant. The Scripture states that "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." (Rom. 10:4).

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Scripture doesn't tell us directly that we must hold church services on Saturday or Sunday.

Our church holds services on the first day of week because that is the day the church "gathered together and broke bread" (Acts 20:7).

Also in 1 Cor. 16:2 the church gathered on the first day of the week to gather the gifts for the suffering saints in Jerusalem. It was the day of giving, the same as we do today.

But again, there is no commandment to hold church services on a particular day. If you want to gather together on the Jewish sabbath, have at it.

The reason we don't gather on the Jewish sabbath is that Christ fulfilled the Law in all its capacity. The sabbath represented rest, that rest is found in the finished work of Christ in the New Covenant. The Scripture states that "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." (Rom. 10:4).

you are off topic

 

[Charlie24]

you are off topic

I've never seen anyone use Rev. 1:10 as a reason for making "the first day of the week" the day of Christian worship!

So, I gave the verses that I see as that reasoning. Rev. 1:10 is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Scripture doesn't tell us directly that we must hold church services on Saturday or Sunday.

Hebrews 4:4-10 For the Word of God is a two ways cutting Sword - God thus concerning the Seventh Day SPAKE - BY THE SON - IN THESE LAST DAYS - He will not speak of another day after - there THERFORE for the People of God REMAINS VALID KEEEPING OF THE SABBATH DAY : "CONCERNING WHICH HE SPOKE : HE SPOKE : BY THE SON.

Do you really think I would fall for you Tom-foolery?

I've never seen anyone use Rev. 1:10 as a reason for making "the first day of the week" the day of Christian worship!

So, I gave the verses that I see as that reasoning. Rev. 1:10 is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned!

 

[Charlie24]

Hebrews 4:4-10 For the Word of God is a two ways cutting Sword - God thus concerning the Seventh Day SPAKE - BY THE SON - IN THESE LAST DAYS - He will not speak of another day after - there THERFORE for the People of God REMAINS VALID KEEEPING OF THE SABBATH DAY : "CONCERNING WHICH HE SPOKE : HE SPOKE : BY THE SON.

Do you really think I would fall for you Tom-foolery?

I guess some just can't let go of the Law! For me, the Law was totally fulfilled in Christ.

The Jewish sabbath means nothing to me, only that it pointed to the rest found in Christ.

You are having problems with Heb. 4:8.

Joshua did lead the Hebrews to Canaan but was not able to give the rest, the "other day" spoken of is the rest that Christ would give by His finished work. The rest is found in Christ.

This is nonsense that we must keep the Jewish sabbath!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I've never seen anyone use Rev. 1:10 as a reason for making "the first day of the week" the day of Christian worship!

So, I gave the verses that I see as that reasoning. Rev. 1:10 is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned!

ALL Christians believing like you in Sunday churchgoing - every one of them unfailingly - assert Revelation's 'Hehmera Kuriakeh' for so believing. I am talking of AFTER Reformation apologists who STILL follow the pre-Reformation apologists in their common use of 'Kuriakeh' BY ITSELF, but who differ with the Pre-Reformation users who NEVER applied 'Kuriakeh' to ANY 'day', while the modern times apologists NEVER fail to apply both 'Kuriakeh' by itself and the full phrase, 'Kuriakeh Hehmera' EXCLUSIVELY FOR SUNDAY.

These are the facts.

 

[Charlie24]

ALL Christians believing like you in Sunday churchgoing - every one of them unfailingly - assert Revelation's 'Hehmera Kuriakeh' for so believing. I am talking of AFTER Reformation apologists who STILL follow the pre-Reformation apologists in their common use of 'Kuriakeh' BY ITSELF, but who differ with the Pre-Reformation users who NEVER applied 'Kuriakeh' to ANY 'day', while the modern times apologists NEVER fail to apply both 'Kuriakeh' by itself and the full phrase, 'Kuriakeh Hehmera' EXCLUSIVELY FOR SUNDAY.

These are facts.

Well, as you can plainly see I'm not one of those!

I gave my reasons for Sunday worship and will stand by it!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I guess some just can't let go of the Law! For me, the Law was totally fulfilled in Christ.

Sure guessing from you. Guessing nor wishing won't let the Law let go of anyone - not "for as long he lives". That is Bible, that is Paul, that is Christ saying - not guessing.
What may cause you to guess that for me, the Law was not totally fulfilled in Christ by Christ, but not for me?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I gave my reasons for Sunday worship and will stand by it!

So your 'reasons for Sunday worship' left from above are these:

1. <The Scripture doesn't tell us directly that we must hold church services on Saturday or Sunday.>

WELL AIN'T THAT JOLLY directly!

2. <Our church holds services on the first day of week>

ALSO SOME SURE FOUNDATION - 'Our church holds services on the first day of week' - YOU'VE GOT SOME FOUNDATIONAL REASON THERE!

<my reasons for Sunday worship :: because that is the day the church "gathered together and broke bread" (Acts 20:7).>

NOW ONLY IF THAT WERE WHAT REALLY STANDS WRITTEN IN ACTS 20:7 - BUT IT DOES NOT. What is written is that, in idiomatic English, "We (the 8 disciples) AFTER we had had come together for our observing of the Lord's Supper" - or, more literally in Greek, "We, AFTER we BEFORE WERE ASSEMBLING TOGETHER for Our To Break Bread and on the First Day of the week BEING assembled together STILL, Paul addressed them / dialogued with us."

NOW GUESS WHEN BEFORE on the First Day HAD they BEEN ASSEMBLING TOGETHER? .... o not the sabbath, don't be silly!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4

Read this in this word order: "The end of the law is for Christ, for righteousness to everyone that believeth."
Or read, "The End of the Law is for Christ (not against Him, but glorifies Christ Who is) Righteousness to everyone that believeth."
Same thing!
But what do the real legalists do? They make of Romans 10:4, this:
<Jesus fulfilled . the Jewish sabbath in all its capacity>,<as far as I'm concerned>, <My reasons for Sunday worship and I will stand by it>, <Scripture tells we must hold church services . on Sundays>, <we let go of the Law!>

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Matthew 12
10That they might accuse HIM they 'asked' HIM, 'Is it lawful to?': HEAL!! ON THE SABBATH!!
11And HE said unto them, WHAT MAN IS STANDING among you, WHO has ONE SHEEP, and if HE fall into a pit, will not ON THE SABBATH DAY LAY HOLD ON HIM AND LIFT HIM OUT? 12How much then is HE BETTER THAN ANY sheep? Therefore HE IS THE LAW AMONG YOU DOING WELL ON THE SABBATH DAY.

"The MAN with withered hand, the MAN ACQUAINTED WITH SORROW
"ALIKE on the left HAND and on the right HAND the waters HEALED" -
"THIS JESUS YE CRUCIFIED GOD RAISED FROM THE DEAD THE SAME"

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

This is nonsense that we must keep the Jewish sabbath!

Whom are you talking with? Who spoke of a <Jewish Sabbath>? YOU DID! ONLY you!
I am speaking of: "The Seventh Day GOD THUS CONCERNING SPAKE . BY THE SON . IN THESE LAST DAYS" -- "the day: The-Seventh-Day-Sabbath: OF THE LORD: GOD".

Much obliged
CGE

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You are having problems with Heb. 4:8.

Joshua did lead the Hebrews to Canaan but was not able to give the rest,

I am <having problems with Heb. 4:8>?
No, you have. You must hallucinate - where do you see any word of <Joshua did lead the Hebrews to Canaan but was not able to give the rest> in Hebrews 4:8 chum? Mmm?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Jewish sabbath means nothing to me, only that it pointed to the rest found in Christ.

You're lying that <the Jewish sabbath : pointed to the rest found in Christ> - or you don't know what you're saying, saying : <The Jewish sabbath means nothing to me>, or you're feigning the Jewish sabbath means nothing to you, or you're LYING terribly : LYING
that the LORD GOD of the true and only Sabbath of the BIBLE is LORD AND GOD; LYING
that the LORD GOD of the true and only Sabbath of the Bible is the true and only SABBATH; LYING
that the LORD GOD of the true and only Sabbath of the Bible is YOUR Lord and God;
LYING that the GOD AND LORD of the Sabbath is <the Jewish Sabbath> and <means nothing>; and
LYING AND DENYING that the Sabbath of
ALL THE SCRIPTURES POINTS TO CHRIST THE REST OF GOD.

 

[Charlie24]

You're lying that <the Jewish sabbath : pointed to the rest found in Christ> - or you don't know what you're saying, saying : <The Jewish sabbath means nothing to me>, or you're feigning the Jewish sabbath means nothing to you, or you're LYING terribly : LYING
that the LORD GOD of the true and only Sabbath of the BIBLE is LORD AND GOD; LYING
that the LORD GOD of the true and only Sabbath of the Bible is the true and only SABBATH; LYING
that the LORD GOD of the true and only Sabbath of the Bible is YOUR Lord and God;
LYING that the GOD AND LORD of the Sabbath is <the Jewish Sabbath> and <means nothing>; and
LYING AND DENYING that the Sabbath of the
ALL THE SCRIPTURES POINTS TO CHRIST THE REST OF GOD.

What do you suppose this means?

Co. 2:16-17
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

What do you suppose this means?

Co. 2:16-17
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

The only thing it can possibly mean is nothing or and is nothing but a LIE because <Co. 2:16-17> is NONE of <in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days> and therefore cannot be "a shadow of things to come".

Allow me therefore to present to you WHAT Paul actually WROTE in Colossians 2---
Sure <there is no command to keep a sabbath> in Colossians 2, because it is better than ‘commanded’ in there, the Sabbath AND its keeping being the a priori presupposed within the chapter for what _IS_ in fact ‘commanded’ “ABOUT” or “CONCERNING” the Christians’ “feasting” of their Lord’s “Sabbaths”— namely, that

“… NO ONE should judge or condemn you …

“… with regard to (your) eating and drinking …

— of Christ-the-Substance —

“… or judge or condemn you …

“… (with regard to your eating and drinking) of Feast …

“… whether of month’s, or of Sabbaths’ …

“… Christ being the substance …

“… these things are …

“… but a FORETASTE and SHADOW …

“… of what is soon to come about for you …

“… you not letting anyone beguile you of your reward …

“… with enticing deceitful arguments …

“… Christ being the Substance …

“… THE BODY OF CHRIST’S OWN (the Church) …

“… HOLDING FAST TO THE HEAD …

“… nourishment being ministered …

“… GROWING with the GROWTH of God!”

THAT, was what waited, upon the Church “Sabbaths’-feasting … eating-and-drinking OF CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE AND NOURISHMENT BEING MINISTERED, growing with the GROWTH OF GOD”, and 'this is what this means', to me BY THE GRACE OF THE GIVER OF EVERY GOOD GIFT LIKE HIS SABBATH DAY TO HIS BODY THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Charlie24]

The only thing it can possibly mean is nothing or and is nothing but a LIE because <Co. 2:16-17> is NONE of <in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days> and therefore cannot be "a shadow of things to come".

Allow me therefore to present to you WHAT Paul actually WROTE in Colossians 2---
Sure <there is no command to keep a sabbath> in Colossians 2, because it is better than ‘commanded’ in there, the Sabbath AND its keeping being the a priori presupposition within the chapter for what _IS_ in fact ‘commanded’ “ABOUT” or “CONCERNING” the Christians’ “feasting” of their Lord’s “Sabbaths”— namely, that

“… NO ONE should judge or condemn you …

“… with regard to (your) eating and drinking …

— of Christ-the-Substance —

“… or judge or condemn you …

“… (with regard to your eating and drinking) of Feast …

“… whether of month’s, or of Sabbaths’ …

“… Christ being the substance …

“… these things are …

“… but a FORETASTE and SHADOW …

“… of what is soon to come about for you …

“… you not letting anyone beguile you of your reward …

“… with enticing deceitful arguments …

“… Christ being the Substance …

“… THE BODY OF CHRIST’S OWN (the Church) …

“… HOLDING THE HEAD …

“… nourishment being ministered …

“… GROWING with the GROWTH of God!”

THAT, was what waited, upon the Church “Sabbaths’-feasting … eating-and-drinking OF CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE AND NOURISHMENT MINISTERED, growing with the GROWTH OF GOD.”

So why is the OP condemning those who don't keep the Jewish sabbath?

If you practice what you preach the judging will cease, right?

That is, if I'm reading your last post correctly.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

if I'm reading your last post correctly.

Read patiently. But read!