John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

[JohnPaul]

So I see you are proud to keep parading around your god and idol you call this great 'I AM.' And you know YHWH was NEVER called this title or description ever, let alone his Son. You have taken the Greek to English translation of 'I am' and then capitalized it all for effect and authenticity, and you really think it means what YHWH said to Moses in the OT of Exodus. Well you are so confused because you just cannot carelessly mix the Hebrew with the Greek languages as having the same translated English words or meanings. And further, they are NOT the same words at all. And so you really do not have a clue what you are writing about, as many others as you and they also worship this same ridiculous god. And as if I should really pay attention to all this nonsense as you ridicule my Father in heaven.

You should be worshipping the one true God, YHWH, our Father!

Yahshua would also agree and might say something like this to you: 'I was and still I am only the Son of the true one God, my Father, and I was and I am still greater than Abraham even before I spoke to those Pharisees (Before Abraham I am, or in the English form of sentence structure, 'I am before or greater than Abraham').'

Yahshua would continue to say to you, 'Abraham was the old physical seed and the human father of faith, as I became the new spiritual seed, the human son of faith, and the new root of the glory and grace of my Father in heaven. I am living in immortality today with my Father in heaven because of him, who created me on earth, the one YHWH, who said he is I AM that I AM, and HE WILL BE what HE WILL BE. So please do not confuse the identity of YHWH, my Father and place part (half) of it as my identity, as his Son as if we are the same, and we are not!'

You want so badly to make Yahshua the exact same essence as YHWH, the Father of all spirits don't you? Well it won't happen, it's impossible!

Here's a little more technical stuff to show why you should stop embarrassing yourself with this great "I AM.' Give it up!

Look at John 8:58b...

In Exodus 3:14, YHWH called himself to Moses, in Hebrew, אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, to ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh . If we wanted to translate this expression into Greek, to compare what is said in verse 58b, we see they are completely different expressions in translation and meaning. It would translate into English as: ‘ego eimi ho ōn’ This is not the same as ‘ego eimi’ at all. YHWH gave an expression of himself, of his personal name. A rough English translation would be like: ‘I am who I am,’ ‘I am that/what I am,’ ‘I am the being’ or ‘I am the existing one’ or ‘I am existing,’ and other words for this effect – never just ‘I am.’ You see in Greek, ‘ego eimi’ is a common expression used by ALL people and not just Jesus. It literally means, that I am he or she, the one who is the subject at hand, and sometimes said in a very emphatic and prejudicial way as in John 8:58b.

Yahshua would clarify his words for you Kermos and add some context to it.

'I am greater (before) than Abraham, the father you (Pharisees) claim although you are a den of vipers and do not act as his sons - his physical seed.'

I'm with you APAK.

 

[Kermos]

I'm with you APAK.

You and @APAK are with each other in one spirit of delusional deception 2 Timothy 3:13) of rejecting Jesus Christ truly God (John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:58) leading to everlasting punishment for yourselves (Matthew 25:46).

 

[Kermos]

Jesus is the son of God.

You do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. You just wrote some words that you do not understand.

You are deceived. You deny Jesus because to believe Jesus is the Son of God is to believe that Jesus is YHWH God since John declares Jesus “was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God” (John 5:18); therefore, Jesus is God because being equal with God of nessessity must result in One God (Deuteronomy 6:4).

Your thoughts result in you calling the Word of God a LIE, so you do not believe in Jesus.

 

[Kermos]

So I see you are proud to keep parading around your god and idol you call this great 'I AM.' And you know YHWH was NEVER called this title or description ever, let alone his Son. You have taken the Greek to English translation of 'I am' and then capitalized it all for effect and authenticity, and you really think it means what YHWH said to Moses in the OT of Exodus. Well you are so confused because you just cannot carelessly mix the Hebrew with the Greek languages as having the same translated English words or meanings. And further, they are NOT the same words at all. And so you really do not have a clue what you are writing about, as many others as you and they also worship this same ridiculous god. And as if I should really pay attention to all this nonsense as you ridicule my Father in heaven.

You should be worshipping the one true God, YHWH, our Father!

Yahshua would also agree and might say something like this to you: 'I was and still I am only the Son of the true one God, my Father, and I was and I am still greater than Abraham even before I spoke to those Pharisees (Before Abraham I am, or in the English form of sentence structure, 'I am before or greater than Abraham').'

Yahshua would continue to say to you, 'Abraham was the old physical seed and the human father of faith, as I became the new spiritual seed, the human son of faith, and the new root of the glory and grace of my Father in heaven. I am living in immortality today with my Father in heaven because of him, who created me on earth, the one YHWH, who said he is I AM that I AM, and HE WILL BE what HE WILL BE. So please do not confuse the identity of YHWH, my Father and place part (half) of it as my identity, as his Son as if we are the same, and we are not!'

You want so badly to make Yahshua the exact same essence as YHWH, the Father of all spirits don't you? Well it won't happen, it's impossible!

Here's a little more technical stuff to show why you should stop embarrassing yourself with this great "I AM.' Give it up!

Look at John 8:58b...

In Exodus 3:14, YHWH called himself to Moses, in Hebrew, אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, to ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh . If we wanted to translate this expression into Greek, to compare what is said in verse 58b, we see they are completely different expressions in translation and meaning. It would translate into English as: ‘ego eimi ho ōn’ This is not the same as ‘ego eimi’ at all. YHWH gave an expression of himself, of his personal name. A rough English translation would be like: ‘I am who I am,’ ‘I am that/what I am,’ ‘I am the being’ or ‘I am the existing one’ or ‘I am existing,’ and other words for this effect – never just ‘I am.’ You see in Greek, ‘ego eimi’ is a common expression used by ALL people and not just Jesus. It literally means, that I am he or she, the one who is the subject at hand, and sometimes said in a very emphatic and prejudicial way as in John 8:58b.

Yahshua would clarify his words for you Kermos and add some context to it.

'I am greater (before) than Abraham, the father you (Pharisees) claim although you are a den of vipers and do not act as his sons - his physical seed.'

You are a deceiver.

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations." (Exodus 3:14-15).

See that YHWH God uses self reference with "I AM" in multiple instances within the Word recorded in Exodus 3:14-15.

You, @Wrangler, and @JohnPaul are united in antichrist because you deny Jesus is YHWH God. Wrangler and JohnPaul are included because of their like of the APAK post recorded above.

Now watch carefully because I do not mention Exodus chapter 3 after this paragraph in this post.

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Jesus is God for the ever living Word of God proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58) and the Word of God says "I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever" (1 Chronicles 17:14), so according to the Word, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past and will exist in eternity future which means the Word is uncreated thus the Word proclaims that the Word is YHWH God for there is NO other that exists in eternity past and future (Isaiah 45:5).

Lord Jesus says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

 

[APAK]

You and @APAK are with each other in one spirit of delusional deception 2 Timothy 3:13) of rejecting Jesus Christ truly God (John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:58) leading to everlasting punishment for yourselves (Matthew 25:46).

I commend you at least for the brevity and originality of your latest post. Can you do this all the time? I guess not....

 

[JohnPaul]

I commend you at least for the brevity and originality of your latest post. Can you do this all the time? I guess not....

Always with you Brother 110%!

 

[Kermos]

I commend you at least for the brevity and originality of your latest post. Can you do this all the time? I guess not....

@APAK, you couldn't even tell the truth just then because that wasn't the "latest post".

Always with you Brother 110%!

The Proverb is "Fools mock at sin" (Proverbs 14:9), and you both mock at sin.

NOW, LET'S RETURN TO WHERE WE HAD LEFT OFF AS THE "LATEST POST" GOD HAD ME MAKE TO YOU WHICH INCLUDES A QUOTE OF YOUR POST FOR REFERENCE TO YOUR SPIRIT OF DELUSION.

So I see you are proud to keep parading around your god and idol you call this great 'I AM.' And you know YHWH was NEVER called this title or description ever, let alone his Son. You have taken the Greek to English translation of 'I am' and then capitalized it all for effect and authenticity, and you really think it means what YHWH said to Moses in the OT of Exodus. Well you are so confused because you just cannot carelessly mix the Hebrew with the Greek languages as having the same translated English words or meanings. And further, they are NOT the same words at all. And so you really do not have a clue what you are writing about, as many others as you and they also worship this same ridiculous god. And as if I should really pay attention to all this nonsense as you ridicule my Father in heaven.

You should be worshipping the one true God, YHWH, our Father!

Yahshua would also agree and might say something like this to you: 'I was and still I am only the Son of the true one God, my Father, and I was and I am still greater than Abraham even before I spoke to those Pharisees (Before Abraham I am, or in the English form of sentence structure, 'I am before or greater than Abraham').'

Yahshua would continue to say to you, 'Abraham was the old physical seed and the human father of faith, as I became the new spiritual seed, the human son of faith, and the new root of the glory and grace of my Father in heaven. I am living in immortality today with my Father in heaven because of him, who created me on earth, the one YHWH, who said he is I AM that I AM, and HE WILL BE what HE WILL BE. So please do not confuse the identity of YHWH, my Father and place part (half) of it as my identity, as his Son as if we are the same, and we are not!'

You want so badly to make Yahshua the exact same essence as YHWH, the Father of all spirits don't you? Well it won't happen, it's impossible!

Here's a little more technical stuff to show why you should stop embarrassing yourself with this great "I AM.' Give it up!

Look at John 8:58b...

In Exodus 3:14, YHWH called himself to Moses, in Hebrew, אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, to ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh . If we wanted to translate this expression into Greek, to compare what is said in verse 58b, we see they are completely different expressions in translation and meaning. It would translate into English as: ‘ego eimi ho ōn’ This is not the same as ‘ego eimi’ at all. YHWH gave an expression of himself, of his personal name. A rough English translation would be like: ‘I am who I am,’ ‘I am that/what I am,’ ‘I am the being’ or ‘I am the existing one’ or ‘I am existing,’ and other words for this effect – never just ‘I am.’ You see in Greek, ‘ego eimi’ is a common expression used by ALL people and not just Jesus. It literally means, that I am he or she, the one who is the subject at hand, and sometimes said in a very emphatic and prejudicial way as in John 8:58b.

Yahshua would clarify his words for you Kermos and add some context to it.

'I am greater (before) than Abraham, the father you (Pharisees) claim although you are a den of vipers and do not act as his sons - his physical seed.'

You are a deceiver.

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations." (Exodus 3:14-15).

See that YHWH God uses self reference with "I AM" in multiple instances within the Word recorded in Exodus 3:14-15.

You, @Wrangler, and @JohnPaul are united in antichrist because you deny Jesus is YHWH God. Wrangler and JohnPaul are included because of their like of the APAK post recorded above.

Now watch carefully because I do not mention Exodus chapter 3 after this paragraph in this post.

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Jesus is God for the ever living Word of God proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58) and the Word of God says "I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever" (1 Chronicles 17:14), so according to the Word, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past and will exist in eternity future which means the Word is uncreated thus the Word proclaims that the Word is YHWH God for there is NO other that exists in eternity past and future (Isaiah 45:5).

Lord Jesus says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

 

[Peterlag]

God (John 1:1)!

The Logos manifested flesh (John 1:14)!

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Jesus is God for the ever living Word of God proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58) and the Word of God says "I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever" (1 Chronicles 17:14), so according to the Word, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past and will exist in eternity future which means the Word is uncreated thus the Word proclaims that the Word is YHWH God for there is NO other that exists in eternity past and future (Isaiah 45:5).

Immanuel (Matthew 1:23 "God with us"), Jesus, is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8) (see see the Truth [John 14:6] that God had me compose in post #283 to expose the deception of tigger 2 and Rich R).

There has to be a reason why so many have a strong need to believe that Jesus is God. And I can't get anyone to tell me why. The only answer I ever get back is that it's because the Bible says so. I can come up with a number of Scriptures for the reason why Jesus is the Son of God. But why do so many need to believe Jesus is God?

 

[Kermos]

There has to be a reason why so many have a strong need to believe that Jesus is God. And I can't get anyone to tell me why. The only answer I ever get back is that it's because the Bible says so. I can come up with a number of Scriptures for the reason why Jesus is the Son of God. But why do so many need to believe Jesus is God?

Truly, Lord Jesus Christ says "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58).

Jesus says I AM, and He did not say "I was created".

So, one week before Abraham was born Jesus' words of I AM ring true.

And, two weeks before Abraham was born Jesus' words of I AM resound true.

And, three weeks before Abraham was born Jesus' words of I AM are true.

And, the minute prior to the minute any of all the angels were created Jesus' words of I AM trumpet true.

And, the week prior to any of the angels being created Jesus' words of I AM harmonize truthfully.

No matter when in time one seeks before Abraham was born, Jesus Christ's words of I AM remain absolutely true.

Going back in time, Jesus is always I AM, never created, He is always I AM.

Going back in time, anytime in all eternity because Jesus says "before Abraham" with no exceptions, Jesus Being.

Behold, Going back in time, Jesus Being.

JESUS IS EVERLASTING going back in time.

Jesus says "I am with you always, even to the end of the age" (Matthew 28:20).

The angel Gabriel declared to Mary about Jesus "He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end" (Luke 1:33).

Behold, Going forward in time, Jesus Being.

JESUS IS EVERLASTING going forward in time.

GOD is exclusively the One that IS EVERLASTING going back in time and going forward in time.

God is everlasting.

Jesus is everlasting.

No one except God is everlasting.

Everlasting YHWH God is Lord Jesus Christ for He declares "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58).

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8, see also Revelation 21:6 and Revelation 22:13), thus says He Who is coming on the clouds!

"I am YHWH, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God" (Isaiah 45:5).

"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me" (Isaiah 43:10).

Jesus Christ is truly Man (Luke 1:26-33) - the Son of Man, and Jesus Christ is truly God (Luke 1:34-35, John 8:58, John 20:28, John 5:18, John 10:30-31) - the Son of God.

All people that think Jesus Christ was created hold to news that is not the Good News (Gospel) of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:6-7), so you have no gospel at all.

 

[APAK]

You are a deceiver.

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations." (Exodus 3:14-15).

See that YHWH God uses self reference with "I AM" in multiple instances within the Word recorded in Exodus 3:14-15.

You, @Wrangler, and @JohnPaul are united in antichrist because you deny Jesus is YHWH God.

Now watch carefully because I do not mention Exodus chapter 3 after this paragraph in this post.

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Jesus is God for the ever living Word of God proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58) and the Word of God says "I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever" (1 Chronicles 17:14), so according to the Word, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past and will exist in eternity future which means the Word is uncreated thus the Word proclaims that the Word is YHWH God for there is NO other that exists in eternity past and future (Isaiah 45:5).

Lord Jesus says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

(Joh 8:23) And he said to them: You are from beneath. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world.
(Joh 8:24) I replied to you, that you shall die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you shall die in your sins.
(Joh 8:25) They replied to him: Who are you? Jesus said to them: Even that which I have spoken to you from the beginning. (NEV)
Kermos, what did Yahshua say to them previously about who he is or I am he/ I am who, again?!

and then ....

(Joh 7:40) Therefore some of the crowd, when they heard these words, said: This is truly the prophet!
(Joh 7:41) Others said: This is the Christ. But some said: What! Does the Christ come out of Galilee?
(Joh 7:42) Has not the scripture said that the Christ comes of the seed of David and from Bethlehem, the village where David was born? (NEV)

Kermos, now in John 7:41- 42, that does not sound like YHWH is the Christ as YHWH is the one who anointed the Christ, right? And certainly you must believe that YHWH does not comes from the seed of David, right? Sounds like a human being to me. the person called Yahshua, the Christ.

Well fill in the blank Kermos, what are you (anyone for the matter) meant to believe about Yahshua the Christ in John 8:24b, what is you honest and spiritual conclusion here?

As if this part of the verse of John say all about who is the Christ...., then speak about deception Kermos. You do not only deceive others you always seem to deceive yourself of course first, and foremost.

The purpose of the Gospel is clearly stated in John 20:31:

(Joh 20:30) Many other signs Jesus did in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book.
(Joh 20:31) But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in his name.

And then in .....
(Joh 13:19) From this time forward I will tell you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe that I am he.
(Joh 13:20) Truly, truly, I say to you: He that receives whoever I send receives me, and he that receives me, receives Him that sent me.(NEV) HIS FATHER, YHWH Kermos!!

And then you continue to be confused with who is YHWH and his expression of identity...oh well...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Lord Jesus says "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

I am he.

This “he”:

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” (John 8:12)

And:

“I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.” (John 8:26)

 

[RLT63]

I am he.

This “he”:

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” (John 8:12)

And:

“I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.” (John 8:26)

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.”...

 

[Wrangler]

God (John 1:1)!

Correct. God, not Jesus, is referenced in John 1:!

The Logos manifested flesh (John 1:14)!

Correct, the will or logic or voice or words of was manifested in the flesh. Manifested is not the same thing as "is." My drivers license manifests my likeness but it is not me. What is manifested is God's logos, God's will, God's words, not God himself. So simple, even a trinitarian can understand it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.”...

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” (John 17:20-21)

Surely you won’t assume this makes us all God will you?

 

[RLT63]

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” (John 17:20-21)

Surely you won’t assume this makes us all God do you?

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 28:19 - New International Version

 

[Wrangler]

John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.”...

And you take this to deny the trinity? Since they are one, that makes 2 that are 1, which a trinity does not make.

Or do you take this as another way to deny the trinity, to literally mean 2 Beings are 1 Being? By the same token, 1 Corinthians 2:16 makes us Christ since we have his mind, and John 17:21 makes us God since we too are one? If not, why not?

 

[RLT63]

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” (John 17:20-21)

Surely you won’t assume this makes us all God do you?

Do a search on how many times people worshipped Jesus. Why would he accept worship if he was not worthy of it?

 

[Wrangler]

Do a search on how many times people worshipped Jesus. Why would he accept worship if he was not worthy of it?

Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture? Jesus does not teach the trinity. He does not teach us to pray to a trinitarian god but to a singular Being, who we relate to as Father. Jesus told us God is in heaven, while Jesus was on Earth. Not the same.

 

[RLT63]

Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture? Jesus does not teach the trinity. He does not teach us to pray to a trinitarian god but to a singular Being, who we relate to as Father. Jesus told us God is in heaven, while Jesus was on Earth. Not the same.

Just in Matthew Matthew 2:11, Matthew 8:2, Matthew 9:18, Matthew 14;33, Matthew 15:25, Matthew 28;19, Matthew 28;17 if Jesus accepted worship and he is not worthy of it what does that make him?

 

[Wrangler]

Just in Matthew Matthew 2:11, Matthew 8:2, Matthew 9:18, Matthew 14;33, Matthew 15:25, Matthew 28;19, Matthew 28;17 if Jesus accepted worship and he is not worthy of it what does that make him?

In other words, you cannot answer my question.

Do you realize that others in Scripture were worshipped besides the one true God? Total red herring.