Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[covenantee]

Not sure why you think anyone needs to play the silly game of trying to find words you like in one chapter.

Daniel 11:32

And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

We know this evil king in the end days from many places in the bible, not one book. The 42 months from the middle of the seven years is confirmed in Rev.
Revelation 13:5

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Also Dan

Daniel 7:25

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
None of this remotely relates to any time thousands of years ago

The epitome of silly is dispensational futurism striving to manufacture a nonexistent antichrist breaking his nonexistent covenant in a decapitated 70th week.

The Covenant and its Confirmation in the book of Daniel occur in Daniel 9:27.

The are the epitome of existent, fulfilled at Calvary.

Get used to it.

 

[covenantee]

I believe the 69 week ends when Jesus comes on Palm Sunday when He rides on a donkey.

Chris Gedge's epic "The Atonement Clock" has spelled out the chronology in exhaustive detail. Have you read it?

Only the elect of Israel received what they sought; the rest were blinded. Only part of Israel will have its blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

The fulness of the Gentiles came in almost 2,000 years ago when the Gospel began to be taken to them. No Israelite has been blinded since that time. Each Israelite's blindness is taken away whenever he/she turns to the Lord.

2 Corinthians 3 NASB
12 Therefore, having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech,
13 and we are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not stare at the end of what was fading away.
14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.
15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts; 16 but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

A rapture does not exist in historic Christian Church orthodoxy.

 

[dad]

The epitome of silly is dispensational futurism striving to manufacture a nonexistent antichrist breaking his nonexistent covenant in a decapitated 70th week.

There is no argument or debate on that issue. The bible explains in many places how long the Antichrist will be in power, what he is like, etc.

The Covenant and its Confirmation in the book of Daniel occur in Daniel 9:27.

And other aspects of the deal and time occur in many places.

The are the epitome of existent, fulfilled at Calvary.

There was no 7 years at Calvary, nor an abomination of desolation or etc. It is an insult to God to claim there is not Great Tribulation.

 

[dad]

The fulness of the Gentiles came in almost 2,000 years ago when the Gospel began to be taken to them. .

So when the first water drop hits a pool that means it's fullness has come?

 

[covenantee]

There is no argument or debate on that issue.

True, because it does not exist in historic Christian Church orthodoxy.

And other aspects of the deal and time occur in many places.

Certainly. It's called the New Testament for a reason.

There was no 7 years at Calvary, nor an abomination of desolation or etc. It is an insult to God to claim there is not Great Tribulation.

Calvary occurred in the middle of the 70th week, the abomination of desolation occurred leading up to 70 AD, and the great tribulation occurred in the destruction of Jerusalem and Israel in 70 AD.

 

[covenantee]

So when the first water drop hits a pool that means it's fullness has come?

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fullness, fulfilling, full

Fulfilling of the acceptance of the Gentiles.

 

[The Light]

Chris Gedge's epic "The Atonement Clock" has spelled out the chronology in exhaustive detail. Have you read it?

No. I have not read it.

The fulness of the Gentiles came in almost 2,000 years ago when the Gospel began to be taken to them. No Israelite has been blinded since that time. Each Israelite's blindness is taken away whenever he/she turns to the Lord.

2 Corinthians 3 NASB
12 Therefore, having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech,
13 and we are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not stare at the end of what was fading away.
14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.
15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts; 16 but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Romans 11
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

The fullness of the Gentiles has not come in as the 1st harvest has not occurred.

A rapture does not exist in historic Christian Church orthodoxy.

That's fine. The rapture however does exist in the Word of God.

 

[covenantee]

No. I have not read it.

You should.

The fullness of the Gentiles has not come in as the 1st harvest has not occurred.

The fulness of the Gentiles has come in because whenever an Israelite turns to the Lord, his/her veil is taken away. (2 Corinthians 3:12-16)

That's fine. The rapture however does exist in the Word of God.

The rapture exists in the delusions of dispensational futurism.

 

[The Light]

Its also the shed blood that atones and makes reconciliation for sin. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins, no Gospel , no NC. Jesus atoned for sin in the 70th week. You seem to believe that 69 weeks are decreed for the atonement of sin

Only 69 weeks have occurred. The decree is upon the people of Daniel and the holy city
Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1. 24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
   
   
   25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];
   
   Messiah arrives AFTER 7+62 weeks.

Yes, Messiah arrives after 69 weeks.
However, the transgression is not finished, there is still sin and everlasting righteousness has not been brought in.

Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

John the Baptist prepared the way and heralded his arrival as the anointed one the Messiah...,

Jn 1
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I and has priority over me, for He existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah]; but I came baptizing in water so that He would be [publicly] revealed to Israel.” 32 John gave [further] evidence [testifying officially for the record, with validity and relevance], saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not recognize Him [as the Messiah], but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this One is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I myself have [actually] seen [that happen], and my testimony is that this is the Son of God!”


Jesus then begins his ministry of reconciliation to fulfill all 6 points through his blood.

At the end of the 69th week, the Messiah comes on a donkey on Palm Sunday.

Luke 19
29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,

30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.

37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Just as has been prophesied.

Zechariah 9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

 

[dad]

True, because it does not exist in historic Christian Church orthodoxy.

Jesus, the apostles and prophets never used that. Whatever it is, it better agree with Jesus and the word.

Calvary occurred in the middle of the 70th week,

The last seven years had not started yet. If it did we would see many things and a clock would be ticking.

the abomination of desolation occurred leading up to 70 AD,

Not the one spoken of by Daniel.

and the great tribulation occurred in the destruction of Jerusalem and Israel in 70 AD.

Truly false doctrine. Not of God.

 

[dad]

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fullness, fulfilling, full

Fulfilling of the acceptance of the Gentiles.

They are wicked for the most part. Good accepts that? When Jesus returns all the gentiles that were saved will be much fuller than now or thousands of years ago. Then there are the saints saved in the millennium. I don't think one could say the times of the gentiles were fulfilled already any more than one could say God's kingdom has come and His will is being done on earth as in heaven.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes, Messiah arrives after 69 weeks.

yes. He is anointed at the age of 30 to begin his work.

Lk 4
Jesus’ Public Ministry
14 Then Jesus went back to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and the news about Him spread through the entire region. 15 And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised and glorified and honored by all.

16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,

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“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me (the Messiah),
Because He has anointed Me to preach the good news to the poor.
He has sent Me to announce release (pardon, forgiveness) to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed (downtrodden, bruised, crushed by tragedy),
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to proclaim the favorable year of the Lord [the day when salvation and the favor of God abound greatly].”



[ Quote light ]At the end of the 69th week, the Messiah comes on a donkey on Palm Sunday.]

This is the end of his ministry not the beginning



[ Quote light ] However, the transgression is not finished, there is still sin and everlasting righteousness has not been brought in.]

Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a High Priest of the good things to come [that is, true spiritual worship], He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not a part of this [material] creation. 12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].


15 For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.


24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but [He entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the very presence of God on our behalf; 25 nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer over and over since the foundation of the world; but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.



We are now clothed with Lords everlasting righteousness.

1. 2 Corinthians 5:21
   He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].
   
   
2. Philippians 3:9
   and may be found in Him [believing and relying on Him], not having any righteousness of my own derived from [my obedience to] the Law and its rituals, but [possessing] that [genuine righteousness] which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

It is finished.

 

[Timtofly]

I believe the 69 week ends when Jesus comes on Palm Sunday when He rides on a donkey.

The 69 weeks were up between 70 and 50BC.

Jesus was born way after the 69 weeks were over. Jesus lived even 30 years later after He was born. Only 2 people seemed to still be alive past their 90's who were still expecting anything to happen, Simeon and Annah. Luke 2:25-38

Herod was so caught off guard, that when the wise men showed up, he killed 100's of toddlers thinking to stop this new king born at the "promised time". He learned about it from foreigners. No one was counting down the time from Daniel 9.

People 2,000 years later, now all of a sudden think they have it all figured out? Most of them don't even accept a future 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth.

But there is no future 7 years either. Daniel 9:27 is not about years, but a set of 7days, not 7 years.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus, the apostles and prophets never used that. Whatever it is, it better agree with Jesus and the word.

I'm confident that 17 centuries of unanimous testimony by the defenders of the true faith agreed with Jesus and His Word.

The last seven years had not started yet. If it did we would see many things and a clock would be ticking.

God's clock never stopped ticking.

Not the one spoken of by Daniel.

The very one spoken of by Daniel.

Truly false doctrine. Not of God.

Confirmed by historical Scriptural fulfillment.

 

[covenantee]

They are wicked for the most part. Good accepts that? When Jesus returns all the gentiles that were saved will be much fuller than now or thousands of years ago. Then there are the saints saved in the millennium. I don't think one could say the times of the gentiles were fulfilled already any more than one could say God's kingdom has come and His will is being done on earth as in heaven.

Humanity is wicked for the most part, but acceptance at the Cross is fulfilled for all who will come, and whosoever will may come.

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

This Kingdom came long ago, and His will is being done on earth by everyone who has been translated into it.

 

[dad]

I'm confident that 17 centuries of unanimous testimony by the defenders of the true faith agreed with Jesus and His Word.

I am confident Jesus and His word are right. As we get closer to the end time, God reveals to His people more details, and the focus is much better than it was many centuries ago.

God's clock never stopped ticking.

The clock that starts when the abomination is set up never started ticking.

Confirmed by historical Scriptural fulfillment.

There was no abomination of desolation in history.There were false prophets with wild unsound tales. Those are a dime a dozen. Cheap trash.

 

[dad]

Humanity is wicked for the most part, but acceptance at the Cross is fulfilled for all who will come, and whosoever will may come.

Right but the majority will not come so we have a world ripe for the final judgments.

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

This Kingdom came long ago, and His will is being done on earth by everyone who has been translated into it.

The kingdom comes in hearts of those that believe, not to the world and nations. When He does come there will be no pussyfooting around All will know He is here and His kingdom is ruling with a rod of iron.

 

[covenantee]

I am confident Jesus and His word are right. As we get closer to the end time, God reveals to His people more details, and the focus is much better than it was many centuries ago.

Jude 3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

The clock that starts when the abomination is set up never started ticking.

The abomination occurred long ago. Luke 21:20.

There was no abomination of desolation in history.There were false prophests with wild unsound tales. Those are a dime a dozen. Cheap trash.

The abomination of desolation occurred long ago. Luke 21:20.

 

[covenantee]

Right but the majority will not come so we have a world ripe for the final judgments.

Yes, there will certainly be final judgment.

The kingdom comes in hearts of those that believe, not to the world and nations. When He does come there will be no pussyfooting around All will know He is here and His kingdom is ruling with a rod of iron.

Christ delivers up the kingdom in the hearts of His people to the Father, followed by one final judgment, followed by eternity.

 

[ScottA]

You are mixing apples and oranges, trying to glue together unrelated texts to support your personal agenda. Paul was talking about the gospel being preached and Jesus coming first to His people. That has zero to do with the seven year covenant in the end that has the AntiChrist placing the abomination after which the world has only 3 1/2 years left before Jesus returns.

You say I am mixing, but it is rather that you are not connecting the dots, thinking too small and not seeing the big picture. The angel of the Lord was telling Daniel about all the times appointed to his people according to God's covenant with Abraham including: "And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." All of which began in Genesis and continues to Revelation: "the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this" all of it--just as it was modeled by God in the first week of creation. It is in the midst of that greater week that the sacrifice comes to fruition--in Christ, before and after which He comes to bring Israel and then the gentiles to the Father ("to the Jew first and also to the Greek").

But you are not alone in your view, just as it was at His first advent.