attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[Brakelite]

Are we in Jerusalem?

Metaphorically yes. The history of the world is bound up in the destinies of the tale of 2 cities... If you aren't in Jerusalem, you're in Babylon.

 

[BeyondET]

Metaphorically yes. The history of the world is bound up in the destinies of the tale of 2 cities... If you aren't in Jerusalem, you're in Babylon.

You still didn't use the verse properly,

Do you attack all denominations or just some?

 

[BeyondET]

Why do people want to attack all the time.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Why do people want to attack all the time.

Because we think that if we can draw others eyes to someones elses flaws, false doctrine ect, ect. then they wont look and see ours !

It is deflection, a tactitical maneuver, used as a distraction. It is WRONG in the eyes of the Lord.

Love is supposed to be our standard, our compass but so few show the love of God to the world or even their supposed brethern in Christ.

Ppl think God will just turn a blind eye. Oh no, THERE WILL BE AN ACCOUNTING OF ALL .

 

[Brakelite]

The time and place for the use of such weapons is not the forum.

Is that what it comes down to? You think we are weaponizing scripture in order to reveal what God intended us to reveal, the identity of the Antichrist and those that support him through becoming deceived by his doctrine... The wine of Babylon? Do you realize there is only one denomination, just one of all the thousands we are told now exists on the earth, just one that answers to every single criteria that scripture gives regarding that identity?
You have prophecy, and you have history that fulfills it. People aren't taught true history any more, not even in University. Certainly not in bible colleges or seminaries. So from where are people today to go to find out how prophecy so beautifully depicts the days we are currently living in except through forums such as this?
I am not suggesting we go gung-ho in condemning denominations en masse as being unchristian. And certainly we aren't about to condemn individual members of any denomination as not being a Christian. But how are we to respond to God's calling as Christian ministers if we cannot say, thus sayeth the Lord, "come out of her My people" , of they don't know what and who it is they must come out of? We fully recognize that God has people in all manner of denominations that aren't operating 100% according to His will. It isn't these that concern us. It is that one denomination that for centuries has warred against God's people and will do so again in the future. And there are many many genuine Christian men and women who belong to it, sincerely thinking they are where they ought to be. These ones are in great danger if they are not warned. In fact , Revelation 14:6-12 tells us that such a warning is an integral component of the everlasting gospel to be taught to the final generations. I appreciate the rules of the forum, and empathize with the moderators who have such an unthankful task in keeping order between some often very passionate people having differing opinions. It's a fine line I guess that you must walk in order to be fair and judicious.

 

[BeyondET]

Because we think that if we can draw others eyes to someones elses flaws, false doctrine ect, ect. then they wont look and see ours !

It is deflection, a tactitical maneuver, used as a distraction. It is WRONG in the eyes of the Lord.

Love is supposed to be our standard, our compass but so few show the love of God to the world or even their supposed brethern in Christ.

Ppl think God will just turn a blind eye. Oh no, THERE WILL BE AN ACCOUNTING OF ALL .

Your right and oddly enough I see it mostly on Christian sites its like a bash free-for-all. Why I haven't clue

 

[Brakelite]

Do you attack all denominations or just some?

I am not advocating that anyone should "attack" anyone. That word "attack", along with other politically correct responses such as homophobia, racist, bigot etc etc has become the standard response to criticism, whether justified or not. It's an automatic self defense mechanism when one doesn't want to face the truth about his behavior, character, worldview, or mindset. This whole thread is about my misgivings regarding the possibility of such attitudes becoming prevalent in this forum. I think there are legitimate ways to discuss heavier issues of denominational backsliding and even apostasy, similar to what the apostles did in writing to the churches of Galatia, even naming them, without being accused of attacking or being insulting. As H2S said, citing scripture, linking web pages as legitimate proof from their own writings, is one way this can be done. I'm still concerned however when it comes to prophecy. Denominationalism comes right to the fore in eschatological musings. Even certain hermeneutics run in denominational lines. I really don't see how we can fully do justice to scripture without being specific about who the beast is... The little horn... Babylon the Great...

 

[Brakelite]

Your right and oddly enough I see it mostly on Christian sites its like a bash free-for-all. Why I haven't clue

And yet you say things like this....

Lol you got no documents, anyways your to nasty talking to have a conversation with little girl.

Your far from being mature, your like a child throwing a fit, you speak condescending words cause you think you can upset people in that way your totally ignorant and a child.

Actually I think you completely love the condescending words makes you feel good. You strive to be as rude as you can that's not the virtue of a christian. From want I read you have been doing it for years around here, what is driving your angry has nothing to do with anything on this site.

 

[BeyondET]

And yet you say things like this....

Yes I have and even more than that i will say i have my moments, i get caught up in it specially when someone just can't stop being nasty to others.

But yes I need to just avoid people like that. And don't respond to threads that cause strife.

I can be a weather man for sure

 

[BeyondET]

I am not advocating that anyone should "attack" anyone. That word "attack", along with other politically correct responses such as homophobia, racist, bigot etc etc has become the standard response to criticism, whether justified or not. It's an automatic self defense mechanism when one doesn't want to face the truth about his behavior, character, worldview, or mindset. This whole thread is about my misgivings regarding the possibility of such attitudes becoming prevalent in this forum. I think there are legitimate ways to discuss heavier issues of denominational backsliding and even apostasy, similar to what the apostles did in writing to the churches of Galatia, even naming them, without being accused of attacking or being insulting. As H2S said, citing scripture, linking web pages as legitimate proof from their own writings, is one way this can be done. I'm still concerned however when it comes to prophecy. Denominationalism comes right to the fore in eschatological musings. Even certain hermeneutics run in denominational lines. I really don't see how we can fully do justice to scripture without being specific about who the beast is... The little horn... Babylon the Great...

Then why was the first word of the title attack and its included in a rule?

 

[Brakelite]

Then why was the first word of the title attack and its included in a rule?

That was a quote from the actual forum rules

 

[BeyondET]

That was a quote from the actual forum rules

Huh I didn't know that, thanks for the info

 

[Lizbeth]

Jesus, John, Paul and others didn't allow "grace" to cripple their tongues. We know exactly to whom their stern rebukes were directed. When it comes to the Jews, the pen of inspiration well tells us:

• Jesus called them children "of the devil".
• He called them "hypocrites".
• He called them "white sepulchers full of dead men's bones".
• John the Baptist called them "vipers".
• Paul called them "unworthy of eternal life".

Martin Luther so despised how the Jews treated Jesus and the Gospel that his quill might be referred to as the "pen of evisceration". He wrote sarcastically:

"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that when he farts, God and all the angels dance?"​

I defy any man to criticize as "anti-semitic" and "lacking grace" any of these above, including the intrepid Martin Luther, the champion of the Protestant Reformation to whom we owe a debt of gratitude for having the boldness to stand up against religious tyranny and secure for posterity the religious freedom so enjoyed by us today. Shall we who shed no blood or spent not one cent for this freedom now sacrifice it upon the altar of "Ecumenicalism" with the "strange fire" of political correctness?

Oh dear. I guess nobody thought to correct Martin Luther, on both his vulgarity as well as his attitude toward the Jews. Just another reason to remind ourselves to follow Jesus and not men, no matter who they are. It doesn't sound as though Luther was very well acquainted with Romans 11.

Jesus had strong rebukes for the religious leaders, much more than for the common people: "Be ye not many masters....they shall receive the greater condemnation." It's not for us to judge unbelieving Jews who are lost souls but to win them to Christ. Good for us to remember that there but for the grace of God go we. There is none righteous, no not one.

 

[Philip James]

Do you accept your plight with grace and love toward those who wronged you and stripped you
of your livelihood?

That's a very good question.

I'd like to think that I have, but certainly not perfectly..

And God, in His goodness, continues to provide as He always has done.

So then, does abuse by those with valid authority over us justify the cry of 'non serviam' ?

What of the rebellion of Korah, that Jude also warns us against?

Pax et Bonum

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

That's a very good question.

I'd like to think that I have, but certainly not perfectly..

And God, in His goodness, continues to provide as He always has done.

So then, does abuse by those with valid authority over us justify the cry of 'non serviam' ?

What of the rebellion of Korah, that Jude also warns us against?

Pax et Bonum

Valid authority?
How is that determined?

 

[Phoneman777]

Sucking up to God is none other than trapped subjectivism. That's how all humanity operates by default. It's fruit however is one of hypocrisy which is what Jesus rebuked as 'of your father the devil'

The whole sucking phenomena is the result of the mindset of 'doing' to get God's favour. Its chosen prison is threatened by good news that God neither cares for or wants sucking up too.

True. Since time immemorial, Satan has convinced humanity that something they do makes them acceptable to God. Then, Jesus came along and told the truth, so what does Satan do? Convince the church that grace is a License to sin. Both subjective ideas taking the place of God’s plain word.

I heard one preacher say Rationalism is the most extreme of all forms of idolatry — because it exalts human reasoning above the Word of God.

 

[Phoneman777]

That verse isn't use to bash other denominations get a grip

Who said it is? It’s used to prove, among other things, that Christians are to be “watchmen on the wall”, the “wall” being God’s law which so many who claim “liberty in Christ” are trying to tear down.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

, E="Phoneman777, post: 1394452, member: 6649"]True. Since time immemorial, Satan has convinced humanity that something they do makes them acceptable to God. Then, Jesus came along and told the truth, so what does Satan do? Convince the church that grace is a License to sin. Both subjective ideas taking the place of God’s plain word.

I heard one preacher say Rationalism is the most extreme of all forms of idolatry — because it exalts human reasoning above the Word of God.[/QUOTE]

Satan must be convincing the illiterate stupid people grace is a license to sin.

Because salvation is from the grace of God. Irrevocable. Eternal salvation that we did nothing to achieve and can do nothing to lose. Because Jesus gave his word.

Those who are in Christ do not believe they can sin with impunity. We have no desire to sin because the holy spirit is within us.

 

[Phoneman777]

Oh dear. I guess nobody thought to correct Martin Luther, on both his vulgarity as well as his attitude toward the Jews. Just another reason to remind ourselves to follow Jesus and not men, no matter who they are. It doesn't sound as though Luther was very well acquainted with Romans 11.

Jesus had strong rebukes for the religious leaders, much more than for the common people: "Be ye not many masters....they shall receive the greater condemnation." It's not for us to judge unbelieving Jews who are lost souls but to win them to Christ. Good for us to remember that there but for the grace of God go we. There is none righteous, no not one.

OH MY, SORRY TO BE SO LONGWINDED! Have you read his commentary on Romans 11? The people who occupy the land of ancient Israel have nothing to do with end times prophecy. Romans speaks of individual deliverance through jealous consideration of the blessings which were once theirs but now belong to the church - not a national restoration at all.

Sure, Luther spoke strong words about the Jews, but I don’t recall reading anything worse than Jesus calling them children of the devil.

I think what best defines Christianity today is tolerance - for every stripe and type of heresy and sin, with only intolerance for rightly deserved stern rebuke. I never hear anyone cry out against the Pope claiming to be “Jesus Christ, hidden under the veil of flesh” or that forgiveness is found solely in the Papal See and has nothing to do with blood atonement whatsoever. As a matter of historic record, when the Protestant church cried out in stern rebuke against it, MILLIONS of dear Catholics turned from legalism to grace through faith alone. John Knox, for instance, preached a comprehensive presentation on Daniel and Revelation exposing the Papacy as AntiChrist, and the whole of Scotland converted to Protestantism.

Today, just before Jesus is about to appear, the message is Ecumenism - and that’s how Revelation says the end times are going to go down - the entire religious world united against the truth. “Come out and be ye separate” will be replaced with “come in and be ye confederate, or else”. I’ve seen the documents of powerful globalists nobody’s heard of b/c we’re distracted with sports, entertainment, and kumbaya - those striving for the NWO global religious system, and they claim those who refuse to join up “will eventually regret it”. Now more than ever, Isaiah 58:1 KJV :)

 

[Philip James]

Valid authority?
How is that determined?

That is a good question! In the Church it is determined by those with the authority to give it; the bishops.
It has been given through the laying on of hands all the way back to the apostles who received it from Christ.

Every 2000 year old apostolic community practices this.

In the secular state, there are various ways of course, but ultimately no one has received any authority but for God's will..

Pax et Bonum