Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[covenantee]

You want to spiritualize it to say Jesus is th eprince of the people that shall come and destroy the sanctuary.

Even Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city.

But to continue your instructions in the rules of proper understanding according to teh rules of grammar God created. The reason why the Nahum passages refer to Yahweh Sabaoth and no one else, is that teh fdirst person personal pronouns that fo0llow match the same case, number and gender as its nearest antecedent which is Yahweh
Saaoth!

Copy/paste the verbatim quote in which I "spiritualize it to say Jesus is th eprince of the people that shall come and destroy the sanctuary".

Copy/paste the portion of the Daniel 9 passage in which the word "Jesus" appears.

Copy/paste the verbatim quote from Josephus in which he expounds upon Daniel 9:26 claiming that the prince therein is Titus.
Include the source and the location of the quote within the source.

Copy/paste the verbatim portion from Nahum in which "Yahweh Saaoth" appears.

actually He is king not prince

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Copy/paste the verbatim quote in which I "spiritualize it to say Jesus is th eprince of the people that shall come and destroy the sanctuary".

YOu said there is no other prince mentioned in Daniel 9.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

YOu said the prince in verse 26 is Jesus. That means He is the prince of the people who came and destroyed the sanctuary! Show me one verse in SCripture wherte Jesus is called prince of a gentile nation.

Copy/paste the verbatim quote from Josephus in which he expounds upon Daniel 9:26 claiming that the prince therein is Titus.
Include the source and the location of the quote within the source.

Well if you know a website that has the works of Josephus- send it to me so I can look it up! Otherwise all I have is the book! I do not know for defnite is He mentioned Titus by name. But Titus is the leader who came and destroyed Jerusalem. I will double check that.

Copy/paste the verbatim portion from Nahum in which "Yahweh Saaoth" appears.

YOu quoted them. I misspelled Sabaoth. but Lord of Hosts almost exclusively in Hebre is Yahweh Sabaoth.

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood

Ah you fell into the King James foible! The word translated "prince" is archon and means ruler or chief ruler! A prince does not rule over kings, but an archon or chief ruler would rule over kings.

 

[covenantee]

YOu said there is no other prince mentioned in Daniel 9.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

YOu said the prince in verse 26 is Jesus. That means He is the prince of the people who came and destroyed the sanctuary! Show me one verse in SCripture wherte Jesus is called prince of a gentile nation.



Well if you know a website that has the works of Josephus- send it to me so I can look it up! Otherwise all I have is the book! I do not know for defnite is He mentioned Titus by name. But Titus is the leader who came and destroyed Jerusalem. I will double check that.




YOu quoted them. I misspelled Sabaoth. but Lord of Hosts almost exclusively in Hebre is Yahweh Sabaoth.




Ah you fell into the King James foible! The word translated "prince" is archon and means ruler or chief ruler! A prince does not rule over kings, but an archon or chief ruler would rule over kings.

Four simple requests, and you've flunked every one.

Obviously all of your degrees have availed you nothing.

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758. archón

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
chief ruler, magistrate, prince
Present participle of archo; a first (in rank or power) -- chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.

KJ21
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first-begotten of the dead, and the prince over the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

AMPC
And from Jesus Christ the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead [first to be brought back to life] and the Prince (Ruler) of the kings of the earth. To Him Who ever loves us and has once [for all] loosed and freed us from our sins by His own blood,

BRG
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

DARBY
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and has washed us from our sins in his blood,

DRA
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth, who hath loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

GNV
And from Jesus Christ which is that faithful witness, and that first begotten of the dead, and that Prince of the Kings of the earth, unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood,

JUB
and from Jesus, the Christ, who is the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins with his own blood

KJV
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

AKJV
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

RGT
and from Jesus Christ, Who is that faithful witness and that first begotten of the dead and that Prince of the Kings of the earth. To Him - who loved us and washed us from our sins in His blood

WYC
and of Jesus Christ, that is a faithful witness, the first begotten of dead men [the first begotten of dead], and prince of kings of the earth; which loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood,


Gasp!! Your own godfather John Nelson Darby translated the word as "prince".

No less than John Wycliffe, first translator of the whole Bible into English, translated the word as "prince".

Obviously all of your degrees are of no avail against your own foibles.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ah you fell into the King James foible! The word translated "prince" is archon and means ruler or chief ruler! A prince does not rule over kings, but an archon or chief ruler would rule over kings.

Ahem. You're trying to say Jesus is not a prince and only the KJV gives that impression? I beg to differ.

Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Four simple requests, and you've flunked every one.

Obviously all of your degrees have availed you nothing.

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758. archón

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
chief ruler, magistrate, prince
Present participle of archo; a first (in rank or power) -- chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.

KJ21
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first-begotten of the dead, and the prince over the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

AMPC
And from Jesus Christ the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead [first to be brought back to life] and the Prince (Ruler) of the kings of the earth. To Him Who ever loves us and has once [for all] loosed and freed us from our sins by His own blood,

BRG
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

DARBY
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and has washed us from our sins in his blood,

DRA
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth, who hath loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

GNV
And from Jesus Christ which is that faithful witness, and that first begotten of the dead, and that Prince of the Kings of the earth, unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood,

JUB
and from Jesus, the Christ, who is the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins with his own blood

KJV
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

AKJV
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

RGT
and from Jesus Christ, Who is that faithful witness and that first begotten of the dead and that Prince of the Kings of the earth. To Him - who loved us and washed us from our sins in His blood

WYC
and of Jesus Christ, that is a faithful witness, the first begotten of dead men [the first begotten of dead], and prince of kings of the earth; which loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood,


Gasp!! Your own godfather John Nelson Darby translated the word as "prince".

No less than John Wycliffe, first translator of the whole Bible into English, translated the word as "prince".

Obviously all of your degrees are of no avail against your own foibles.

Yep. Some people do zero research before making their ridiculous claims. They should be embarrassed.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Four simple requests, and you've flunked every one.

Obviously all of your degrees have availed you nothing.

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758. archón

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
chief ruler, magistrate, prince
Present participle of archo; a first (in rank or power) -- chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.

KJ21
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first-begotten of the dead, and the prince over the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

AMPC
And from Jesus Christ the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead [first to be brought back to life] and the Prince (Ruler) of the kings of the earth. To Him Who ever loves us and has once [for all] loosed and freed us from our sins by His own blood,

BRG
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

DARBY
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and has washed us from our sins in his blood,

DRA
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth, who hath loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

GNV
And from Jesus Christ which is that faithful witness, and that first begotten of the dead, and that Prince of the Kings of the earth, unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood,

JUB
and from Jesus, the Christ, who is the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins with his own blood

KJV
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

AKJV
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

RGT
and from Jesus Christ, Who is that faithful witness and that first begotten of the dead and that Prince of the Kings of the earth. To Him - who loved us and washed us from our sins in His blood

WYC
and of Jesus Christ, that is a faithful witness, the first begotten of dead men [the first begotten of dead], and prince of kings of the earth; which loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood,


Gasp!! Your own godfather John Nelson Darby translated the word as "prince".

No less than John Wycliffe, first translator of the whole Bible into English, translated the word as "prince".

Obviously all of your degrees are of no avail against your own foibles.

Well Darby is not my godfather that is just your arrogant presumptiousness run amok.

Here is the work of Josephus. I di dnot read it all from the online source and did not post it because it is over 10,000 words long.

Flavius Josephus Chronology of the Destruction of Jerusalem’s: AD 62-73 (bible.ca)

Now about archon.

Look at it in a standard dictionary. Itrs primary meaning comes from the root word "arche" which means first, premier or ruler. It CAN mean prince, magistrate, king, governor or several other titles. context determines that meaning.

But now let us assume, that prince is the correct ( and is th emost accepted use) in Rev., now you have to establish that the OT use of prince in Daniel 9 must mean Messiah the Prince despite that being grammatically incorrect. BTW you still haven't established any rule of grammar by which you sasy your mystical interpretation is th ecorrect one.

But archon means ruler first and a specific title only when the context demands it. Now show me for REvelation why the context demands a prince be a ruler over kings.

 

[covenantee]

Well Darby is not my godfather that is just your arrogant presumptiousness run amok.

Here is the work of Josephus. I di dnot read it all from the online source and did not post it because it is over 10,000 words long.

Flavius Josephus Chronology of the Destruction of Jerusalem’s: AD 62-73 (bible.ca)

Now about archon.

Look at it in a standard dictionary. Itrs primary meaning comes from the root word "arche" which means first, premier or ruler. It CAN mean prince, magistrate, king, governor or several other titles. context determines that meaning.

But now let us assume, that prince is the correct ( and is th emost accepted use) in Rev., now you have to establish that the OT use of prince in Daniel 9 must mean Messiah the Prince despite that being grammatically incorrect. BTW you still haven't established any rule of grammar by which you sasy your mystical interpretation is th ecorrect one.

But archon means ruler first and a specific title only when the context demands it. Now show me for REvelation why the context demands a prince be a ruler over kings.

Nowhere in your link does Josephus claim that the prince of Daniel 9:26 was Titus. Your "evidence" is vacuously bankrupt.

Tell John Wycliffe and the translators (especially John Nelson Darby!!) of the ten other Bible versions that I cited, to show you why they translated "archon" as "prince".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nowhere in your link does Josephus claim that the prince of Daniel 9:26 was Titus. Your "evidence" is vacuously bankrupt.

Tell John Wycliffe and the translators (especially John Nelson Darby!!) of the ten other Bible versions that I cited, to show you why they translated "archon" as "prince".

Wow you do strain at gnats. Nobody but God knew that Titus would be the prince of Daniel 9. Titus is the choice because in time (c. 70AD) it was revealed who the prince was of the Romans who destroyed the city and sanctuary. YOu really are a nit picker and make foolish demands. But Josephus identifies Titus as the archon who destroyed the city and sanctuary.

I cannot answer why they wrote prince instead of ruler. You seem to be hung up on it, so maybe you should write them, or consult a medium to talk to teh dead ones.

From a greek dictionary of koine greek:

Search Wiktionary Look up archon in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Archon (Gr. ἄρχων, pl. ἄρχοντες) is a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord", frequently used as the title of a specific public office. It is the masculine present participle of the verb stem ἀρχ-, meaning "to rule", derived from the same root as monarch, hierarchy and anarchy.

Now if John specifically meant prince He would have been inspired to use the word:

Strong's Greek: 747. ἀρχηγός (archégos) -- founder, leader (biblehub.com)

Which is different than archon in form and meaning!

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon



Strong's Number: 758 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
a[rcwn present participle of (757)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Archon 1:488,81
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ar'-khone Noun Masculine
Definition

1. a ruler, commander, chief, leader

King James Word Usage - Total: 37
ruler 22, prince 11, chief 2, magistrate 1, chief ruler 1

I searched and could not find outside of the bible, the use of the term archon as a generic prince. If a ruler or magistrate was a prince yes, but the archon, meant his authority not position of nobility.

YOu can even see that Strongs does not have prince as part of its definition, just as its usage.

Once again no charge for a grammar lesson.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nowhere in your link does Josephus claim that the prince of Daniel 9:26 was Titus. Your "evidence" is vacuously bankrupt.

Tell John Wycliffe and the translators (especially John Nelson Darby!!) of the ten other Bible versions that I cited, to show you why they translated "archon" as "prince".

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 758: ἄρχων

ἄρχων, ἄρχοντος, ὁ (present participle of the verb ἄρχω) (from Aeschylus down), a ruler, commander, chief, leader: used of Jesus, ἄρχων τῶν βασιλέων τῆς γῆς, Revelation 1:5; of the rulers of nations, Matthew 20:25; Acts 4:26; Acts 7:35; universally, of magistrates, Romans 13:3; Acts 23:5; especially judges, Luke 12:58; Acts 7:27, 35 (where note the antithesis: whom they refused as ἄρχοντα καί δικαστήν, him God sent as ἄρχοντα — leader, ruler — καί λύτρῳ — τήν); Acts 16:19. οἱ ἄρχοντες τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου those who in the present age (see αἰών, 3) by nobility of birth, learning and wisdom, power and authority, wield the greatest influence, whether among Jews or Gentles, 1 Corinthians 2:6, 8; cf. Neander at the passage, p. 62ff Of the members of the Jewish Sanhedrin: Luke 23:13, 35; Luke 24:20; John 3:1; John 7:26, 48; John 12:42; Acts 3:17; Acts 4:5, 8; Acts 13:27; Acts 14:5. of the officers presiding over synagogues: Matthew 9:18, 23; Luke 8:41 (ἄρχων τῆς συναγωγῆς, cf. Mark 5:22 ἀρχισυνάγωγος), and perhaps also Luke 18:18; ἄρχων τῶν Φαρισαίων, one who has great influence among the Pharisees, Luke 14:1. of the devil, the prince of evil spirits: (ὁ) ἄρχων τῶν δαιμονίων, Matthew 9:34; Matthew 12:24; Mark 3:22; Luke 11:15; ὁ ἄρχων τοῦ κόσμου, the ruler of the irreligious mass of mankind, John 12:31; John 14:30; John 16:11 (in rabbinical writings הָעולָה שַׂר; ἄρχων τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου, Ignatius, ad Eph. 19, 1 [ET] (ad Magn. 1, 3 [ET]); ἄρχων τοῦ καιροῦ τῆς ἀνομίας, the Epistle of Barnabas 18, 2 [ET]); τῆς ἐξουσίας τοῦ ἀέρος, Ephesians 2:2 (see ἀήρ). (See Hort in Dict. of Chris. Biog., under the word Archon.)

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
chief ruler, magistrate, prince
Present participle of archo; a first (in rank or power) -- chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.

see GREEK archo
Forms and Transliterations
αρχοντα άρχοντα ἄρχοντα αρχοντας αρχοντάς άρχοντας ἄρχοντας αρχοντες άρχοντες άρχοντές ἄρχοντες αρχοντι άρχοντι ἄρχοντι αρχοντος άρχοντος άρχοντός ἄρχοντος αρχοντων αρχόντων ἀρχόντων άρχουσι αρχουσιν άρχουσιν ἄρχουσιν αρχων άρχων ἄρχων archon archōn árchon árchōn archonta árchonta archontas árchontas archontes árchontes archonti árchonti archonton archontōn archónton archóntōn archontos árchontos archousin árchousin
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[Ronald Nolette]

Nowhere in your link does Josephus claim that the prince of Daniel 9:26 was Titus. Your "evidence" is vacuously bankrupt.

Tell John Wycliffe and the translators (especially John Nelson Darby!!) of the ten other Bible versions that I cited, to show you why they translated "archon" as "prince".

Englishman's Concordance
Matthew 9:18 N-NMS
GRK: αὐτοῖς ἰδοὺ ἄρχων εἷς ἐλθὼν
NAS: these things to them, a [synagogue] official came
KJV: a certain ruler, and worshipped
INT: to them behold a ruler certain having come
Matthew 9:23 N-GMS
GRK: οἰκίαν τοῦ ἄρχοντος καὶ ἰδὼν
NAS: came into the official's house,
KJV: came into the ruler's house, and
INT: house of the ruler and having seen

Matthew 9:34 N-DMS
GRK: Ἐν τῷ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: out the demons by the ruler of the demons.
KJV: through the prince of the devils.
INT: By the prince of the demons

Matthew 12:24 N-DMS
GRK: τῷ Βεελζεβοὺλ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.
KJV: by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
INT: Beelzebul prince of the demons

Matthew 20:25 N-NMP
GRK: ὅτι οἱ ἄρχοντες τῶν ἐθνῶν
NAS: You know that the rulers of the Gentiles
KJV: that the princes of the Gentiles
INT: that the rulers of the Gentiles

Mark 3:22 N-DMS
GRK: ἐν τῷ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: out the demons by the ruler of the demons.
KJV: by the prince of the devils
INT: By the prince of the demons

uke 8:41 N-NMS
GRK: καὶ οὗτος ἄρχων τῆς συναγωγῆς
NAS: Jairus, and he was an official of the synagogue;
KJV: he was a ruler of the synagogue: and
INT: and he a ruler of the synagogue

Luke 11:15 N-DMS
GRK: Βεελζεβοὺλ τῷ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.
KJV: Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
INT: Beelzebul the prince of the demons

Luke 12:58 N-AMS
GRK: σου ἐπ' ἄρχοντα ἐν τῇ
NAS: to appear before the magistrate, on [your] way
KJV: to the magistrate, [as thou art] in
INT: of you before a magistrate in the

Luke 14:1 N-GMP
GRK: τινος τῶν ἀρχόντων τῶν Φαρισαίων
NAS: of one of the leaders of the Pharisees
KJV: of one of the chief Pharisees
INT: of one of the rulers of the Pharisees

Luke 18:18 N-NMS
GRK: τις αὐτὸν ἄρχων λέγων Διδάσκαλε
NAS: A ruler questioned Him, saying,
KJV: And a certain ruler asked him,
INT: a certain to him ruler saying Teacher

Luke 23:13 N-AMP
GRK: καὶ τοὺς ἄρχοντας καὶ τὸν
NAS: the chief priests and the rulers and the people,
KJV: and the rulers and
INT: and the rulers and the

Luke 23:35 N-NMP
GRK: καὶ οἱ ἄρχοντες λέγοντες Ἄλλους
NAS: on. And even the rulers were sneering
KJV: beholding. And the rulers also with
INT: also the rulers saying Others

Luke 24:20 N-NMP
GRK: καὶ οἱ ἄρχοντες ἡμῶν εἰς
NAS: the chief priests and our rulers delivered
KJV: and our rulers delivered him
INT: and the rulers of us to

John 3:1 N-NMS
GRK: ὄνομα αὐτῷ ἄρχων τῶν Ἰουδαίων
NAS: named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
KJV: named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
INT: name to him a ruler of the Jews

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ahem. You're trying to say Jesus is not a prince and only the KJV gives that impression? I beg to differ.

Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Hebrew anbd Greek are different in case you didn't know! No charge for the lesson.

Now prove that Jesus being the Prince of peace demands that He is the second named prince in daniel 9.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yep. Some people do zero research before making their ridiculous claims. They should be embarrassed.

Not me! but thanks for the implication!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ahem. You're trying to say Jesus is not a prince and only the KJV gives that impression? I beg to differ.

Isaiah 9:6 (NIV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

also by the way. I never said jesus was never called prince- go back and look at all my posts and get rid of that lie.

I have simply said He is not the second prince mentioned in Daniel. what is it with so many of you here that we talk about one subject and then yoou lose a sense of sanity and try to take my words and misapply them to things I never said??? Is this something that you learn in covenant theology schools?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Copy/paste the verbatim quote in which I "spiritualize it to say Jesus is th eprince of the people that shall come and destroy the sanctuary".

Copy/paste the portion of the Daniel 9 passage in which the word "Jesus" appears.

Copy/paste the verbatim quote from Josephus in which he expounds upon Daniel 9:26 claiming that the prince therein is Titus.
Include the source and the location of the quote within the source.

Copy/paste the verbatim portion from Nahum in which "Yahweh Saaoth" appears.

I will not do history lessons for you! If you cannot know that Jesus i Messiah the Prince- what are you even doing on this thread?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nowhere in your link does Josephus claim that the prince of Daniel 9:26 was Titus. Your "evidence" is vacuously bankrupt.

Tell John Wycliffe and the translators (especially John Nelson Darby!!) of the ten other Bible versions that I cited, to show you why they translated "archon" as "prince".

New International Version
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

New Living Translation
and from Jesus Christ. He is the faithful witness to these things, the first to rise from the dead, and the ruler of all the kings of the world. All glory to him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by shedding his blood for us.

English Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Berean Study Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood,

Berean Literal Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To the One loving us and releasing us from our sins through His blood,

King James Bible
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

New King James Version
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

New American Standard Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—

NASB 1995
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—

NASB 1977
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us, and released us from our sins by His blood,

Amplified Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who [always] loves us and who [has once for all] freed us [or washed us] from our sins by His own blood (His sacrificial death)—

Christian Standard Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by his blood,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by His blood,

American Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And from Yeshua The Messiah, the Trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead and The Ruler of the Kings of The Earth- him who loves us and has loosed us from our sins by his blood.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth, who hath loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


International Standard Version
and from Jesus the Messiah, the witness, the faithful one, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Literal Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to Him loving us and having released us from our sins in His blood,

New American Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead and ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

NET Bible
and from Jesus Christ--the faithful witness, the firstborn from among the dead, the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has set us free from our sins at the cost of his own blood

New Revised Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and freed us from our sins by his blood,

World English Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;

Young's Literal Translation
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,

Literal Emphasis Translation
And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the preeminent ruler of the kings of the earth. To the One loving us and releasing us from out of our sins in His blood,

Catholic Public Domain Version
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the leader over the kings of the earth, who has loved us and has washed us from our sins with his blood,

Lamsa Bible
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first to arise from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth unto him who loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Weymouth New Testament
and from Jesus Christ, the truthful witness, the first of the dead to be born to Life, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins with His own blood,

Worrell New Testament
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful Witness, the First-born of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him Who loveth, and loosed us from our sins in His own blood,

Worsley New Testament
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first-born from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Early Modern
Geneva Bible of 1587
And from Iesus Christ, which is that faithful witnes, and that first begotten of the dead, & that Prince of the Kings of the earth, vnto him that loued vs, & washed vs from our sinnes in his blood,

Bishops' Bible of 1568
And from Iesus Christe, which is a faythfull witnesse, and first begotten of the dead, and Lorde ouer the kynges of the earth: Unto hym that loued vs, and wasshed vs from our sinnes in his owne blood,

Coverdale Bible of 1535
and from Iesus Christ which is a faithfull witnes, and first begotten of the deed: & LORDE ouer ye kinges of the earth. Vnto him that loued vs and wesshed vs fro synnes in his awne bloud,

Tyndale Bible of 1526
and from Iesus Christ which is a faythfull witnes and fyrst begotte of the deed: and Lorde over the kinges of the erth. Vnto him that loved vs and wesshed vs fro synnes in his awne bloud

 

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Even Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city.

Josephus never mentions Daniel in his voluminous "Wars of the Jews". Stop making false claims.

I cannot answer why they wrote prince instead of ruler. You seem to be hung up on it

Yes, you certainly cannot. So why did you get hung up on it?

 

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I will not do history lessons for you! If you cannot know that Jesus i Messiah the Prince- what are you even doing on this thread?

If you're unable to quote Scripture as written instead of imposing your own arbitrary substitutions, maybe you should get refunds for all of those degrees that you purchased.

 

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New International Version
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

New Living Translation
and from Jesus Christ. He is the faithful witness to these things, the first to rise from the dead, and the ruler of all the kings of the world. All glory to him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by shedding his blood for us.

English Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Berean Study Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood,

Berean Literal Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To the One loving us and releasing us from our sins through His blood,

King James Bible
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

New King James Version
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

New American Standard Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—

NASB 1995
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—

NASB 1977
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us, and released us from our sins by His blood,

Amplified Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful and trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who [always] loves us and who [has once for all] freed us [or washed us] from our sins by His own blood (His sacrificial death)—

Christian Standard Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by his blood,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by His blood,

American Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And from Yeshua The Messiah, the Trustworthy Witness, the Firstborn of the dead and The Ruler of the Kings of The Earth- him who loves us and has loosed us from our sins by his blood.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth, who hath loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


International Standard Version
and from Jesus the Messiah, the witness, the faithful one, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Literal Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to Him loving us and having released us from our sins in His blood,

New American Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead and ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

NET Bible
and from Jesus Christ--the faithful witness, the firstborn from among the dead, the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has set us free from our sins at the cost of his own blood

New Revised Standard Version
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and freed us from our sins by his blood,

World English Bible
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;

Young's Literal Translation
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,

Literal Emphasis Translation
And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the preeminent ruler of the kings of the earth. To the One loving us and releasing us from out of our sins in His blood,

Catholic Public Domain Version
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the leader over the kings of the earth, who has loved us and has washed us from our sins with his blood,

Lamsa Bible
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first to arise from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth unto him who loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Weymouth New Testament
and from Jesus Christ, the truthful witness, the first of the dead to be born to Life, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins with His own blood,

Worrell New Testament
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful Witness, the First-born of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him Who loveth, and loosed us from our sins in His own blood,

Worsley New Testament
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first-born from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Early Modern
Geneva Bible of 1587
And from Iesus Christ, which is that faithful witnes, and that first begotten of the dead, & that Prince of the Kings of the earth, vnto him that loued vs, & washed vs from our sinnes in his blood,

Bishops' Bible of 1568
And from Iesus Christe, which is a faythfull witnesse, and first begotten of the dead, and Lorde ouer the kynges of the earth: Unto hym that loued vs, and wasshed vs from our sinnes in his owne blood,

Coverdale Bible of 1535
and from Iesus Christ which is a faithfull witnes, and first begotten of the deed: & LORDE ouer ye kinges of the earth. Vnto him that loued vs and wesshed vs fro synnes in his awne bloud,

Tyndale Bible of 1526
and from Iesus Christ which is a faythfull witnes and fyrst begotte of the deed: and Lorde over the kinges of the erth. Vnto him that loved vs and wesshed vs fro synnes in his awne bloud

Why aren't John Wycliffe and John Nelson Darby!! in your list?

 

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Englishman's Concordance
Matthew 9:18 N-NMS
GRK: αὐτοῖς ἰδοὺ ἄρχων εἷς ἐλθὼν
NAS: these things to them, a [synagogue] official came
KJV: a certain ruler, and worshipped
INT: to them behold a ruler certain having come
Matthew 9:23 N-GMS
GRK: οἰκίαν τοῦ ἄρχοντος καὶ ἰδὼν
NAS: came into the official's house,
KJV: came into the ruler's house, and
INT: house of the ruler and having seen

Matthew 9:34 N-DMS
GRK: Ἐν τῷ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: out the demons by the ruler of the demons.
KJV: through the prince of the devils.
INT: By the prince of the demons

Matthew 12:24 N-DMS
GRK: τῷ Βεελζεβοὺλ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.
KJV: by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
INT: Beelzebul prince of the demons

Matthew 20:25 N-NMP
GRK: ὅτι οἱ ἄρχοντες τῶν ἐθνῶν
NAS: You know that the rulers of the Gentiles
KJV: that the princes of the Gentiles
INT: that the rulers of the Gentiles

Mark 3:22 N-DMS
GRK: ἐν τῷ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: out the demons by the ruler of the demons.
KJV: by the prince of the devils
INT: By the prince of the demons

uke 8:41 N-NMS
GRK: καὶ οὗτος ἄρχων τῆς συναγωγῆς
NAS: Jairus, and he was an official of the synagogue;
KJV: he was a ruler of the synagogue: and
INT: and he a ruler of the synagogue

Luke 11:15 N-DMS
GRK: Βεελζεβοὺλ τῷ ἄρχοντι τῶν δαιμονίων
NAS: by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.
KJV: Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
INT: Beelzebul the prince of the demons

Luke 12:58 N-AMS
GRK: σου ἐπ' ἄρχοντα ἐν τῇ
NAS: to appear before the magistrate, on [your] way
KJV: to the magistrate, [as thou art] in
INT: of you before a magistrate in the

Luke 14:1 N-GMP
GRK: τινος τῶν ἀρχόντων τῶν Φαρισαίων
NAS: of one of the leaders of the Pharisees
KJV: of one of the chief Pharisees
INT: of one of the rulers of the Pharisees

Luke 18:18 N-NMS
GRK: τις αὐτὸν ἄρχων λέγων Διδάσκαλε
NAS: A ruler questioned Him, saying,
KJV: And a certain ruler asked him,
INT: a certain to him ruler saying Teacher

Luke 23:13 N-AMP
GRK: καὶ τοὺς ἄρχοντας καὶ τὸν
NAS: the chief priests and the rulers and the people,
KJV: and the rulers and
INT: and the rulers and the

Luke 23:35 N-NMP
GRK: καὶ οἱ ἄρχοντες λέγοντες Ἄλλους
NAS: on. And even the rulers were sneering
KJV: beholding. And the rulers also with
INT: also the rulers saying Others

Luke 24:20 N-NMP
GRK: καὶ οἱ ἄρχοντες ἡμῶν εἰς
NAS: the chief priests and our rulers delivered
KJV: and our rulers delivered him
INT: and the rulers of us to

John 3:1 N-NMS
GRK: ὄνομα αὐτῷ ἄρχων τῶν Ἰουδαίων
NAS: named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;
KJV: named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
INT: name to him a ruler of the Jews

Why doesn't Revelation 1:5 appear in your list?

Revelation 1:5 N-NMS
GRK: καὶ ὁ ἄρχων τῶν βασιλέων
NAS: of the dead, and the ruler of the kings
KJV: and the prince of the kings
INT: and the ruler of the kings

 

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Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 758: ἄρχων

ἄρχων, ἄρχοντος, ὁ (present participle of the verb ἄρχω) (from Aeschylus down), a ruler, commander, chief, leader: used of Jesus, ἄρχων τῶν βασιλέων τῆς γῆς, Revelation 1:5; of the rulers of nations, Matthew 20:25; Acts 4:26; Acts 7:35; universally, of magistrates, Romans 13:3; Acts 23:5; especially judges, Luke 12:58; Acts 7:27, 35 (where note the antithesis: whom they refused as ἄρχοντα καί δικαστήν, him God sent as ἄρχοντα — leader, ruler — καί λύτρῳ — τήν); Acts 16:19. οἱ ἄρχοντες τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου those who in the present age (see αἰών, 3) by nobility of birth, learning and wisdom, power and authority, wield the greatest influence, whether among Jews or Gentles, 1 Corinthians 2:6, 8; cf. Neander at the passage, p. 62ff Of the members of the Jewish Sanhedrin: Luke 23:13, 35; Luke 24:20; John 3:1; John 7:26, 48; John 12:42; Acts 3:17; Acts 4:5, 8; Acts 13:27; Acts 14:5. of the officers presiding over synagogues: Matthew 9:18, 23; Luke 8:41 (ἄρχων τῆς συναγωγῆς, cf. Mark 5:22 ἀρχισυνάγωγος), and perhaps also Luke 18:18; ἄρχων τῶν Φαρισαίων, one who has great influence among the Pharisees, Luke 14:1. of the devil, the prince of evil spirits: (ὁ) ἄρχων τῶν δαιμονίων, Matthew 9:34; Matthew 12:24; Mark 3:22; Luke 11:15; ὁ ἄρχων τοῦ κόσμου, the ruler of the irreligious mass of mankind, John 12:31; John 14:30; John 16:11 (in rabbinical writings הָעולָה שַׂר; ἄρχων τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου, Ignatius, ad Eph. 19, 1 [ET] (ad Magn. 1, 3 [ET]); ἄρχων τοῦ καιροῦ τῆς ἀνομίας, the Epistle of Barnabas 18, 2 [ET]); τῆς ἐξουσίας τοῦ ἀέρος, Ephesians 2:2 (see ἀήρ). (See Hort in Dict. of Chris. Biog., under the word Archon.)

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
chief ruler, magistrate, prince
Present participle of archo; a first (in rank or power) -- chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.

see GREEK archo
Forms and Transliterations
αρχοντα άρχοντα ἄρχοντα αρχοντας αρχοντάς άρχοντας ἄρχοντας αρχοντες άρχοντες άρχοντές ἄρχοντες αρχοντι άρχοντι ἄρχοντι αρχοντος άρχοντος άρχοντός ἄρχοντος αρχοντων αρχόντων ἀρχόντων άρχουσι αρχουσιν άρχουσιν ἄρχουσιν αρχων άρχων ἄρχων archon archōn árchon árchōn archonta árchonta archontas árchontas archontes árchontes archonti árchonti archonton archontōn archónton archóntōn archontos árchontos archousin árchousin
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Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
chief ruler, magistrate, prince
Present participle of archo; a first (in rank or power) -- chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.