Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Davy]

Scripture would never ever spiritualize anything, now would it.

It always keeps everything TEMPORAL and CARNAL.

Just the way that dispen premil demands.

You mean you can't tell the difference between an expression and a literal truth per God's Word?

Then you must also... have problems understand basic expression in English, like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse!" Is that meant literally, or is it an expression, or idiom only? You mean you can't tell?

Likewise in God's Word, which uses MANY EXPRESSIONS, because just like ANY OTHER LANGUAGE, Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek ALSO use expressions and idioms, it's really not that difficult to know when an 'expression' is meant verses a literal prophesy or fulfillment of a literal prophesy.

And trying to turn literal Truths written in God's Word is one of the things that got early ones like Origen of Alexandria excommunicated from the early Church. He tried to apply 'allegory' to literal Biblical Truths.

The difference is, that God's Word does use... allegory, but it is easily revealed when He does, like, 'it is easier for a camel (rope) to go through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God (Mark 10:25). Or, you don't put new wine in old bottles, lest they break, but you put new wine in new bottles, so both are preserved (Jesus referring to God's Truth as the 'new wine'). And often He even says... it's a parable, proverb, or saying (like in Isaiah 14 about the king of Babylon).

 

[covenantee]

You mean you can't tell the difference between an expression and a literal truth per God's Word?

Then you must also... have problems understand basic expression in English, like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse!" Is that meant literally, or is it an expression, or idiom only? You mean you can't tell?

Likewise in God's Word, which uses MANY EXPRESSIONS, because just like ANY OTHER LANGUAGE, Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek ALSO use expressions and idioms, it's really not that difficult to know when an 'expression' is meant verses a literal prophesy or fulfillment of a literal prophesy.

And trying to turn literal Truths written in God's Word is one of the things that got early ones like Origen of Alexandria excommunicated from the early Church. He tried to apply 'allegory' to literal Biblical Truths.

What is meant by Genesis 3:15?

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[Davy]

What is meant by Genesis 3:15?

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

That's pointing to LITERAL EVENTS future to that time.

Jesus' heel would be bruised on His cross by the serpent, and (in the future) the serpent's head will be bruised by Christ when He destroys the devil in the future "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as written in Revelation 20.

See how the LITERAL PARTS of God's Word works??

 

[covenantee]

That's pointing to LITERAL EVENTS future to that time.

Jesus' heel would be bruised on His cross by the serpent, and (in the future) the serpent's head will be bruised by Christ when He destroys the devil in the future "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as written in Revelation 20.

See how the LITERAL PARTS of God's Word works??

Neither Jesus nor the Cross nor Christ nor the devil appear literally in the verse.

But they do appear spiritually.

Congrats.

You've just spiritualized Genesis 3:15.

See how the SPIRITUALIZATION of God's Word works??

 

[Davy]

Neither Jesus nor the Cross nor Christ nor the devil appear literally in the verse.

But they do appear spiritually.

Congrats.

You've just spiritualized Genesis 3:15.

See how the SPIRITUALIZATION of God's Word works??

SEE THAT FOLKS:
covenantee has MAJOR PROBLEMS understanding EXPRESSIONS when they point to LITERAL EVENTS!!!

For the Genesis 3:15 verse to be meant SPIRITUALLY, like his deceived mind thinks, it means CHRIST'S COMING TO DIE ON THE CROSS HAD TO HAVE BEEN ONLY... A SPIRITUAL EVENT!!

Got that brethren? By his/her kind of thinking, covenantee is proclaiming that JESUS OF NAZARETH DID NOT ACTUALLY DIE ON THE CROSS!!!

Who would that point to that believes such an idea? Those are actually the UNBELIEVERS under men's false doctrine called FULL PRETERISM and also GNOSTICISM.

Full Preterists and Gnostics DO NOT BELIEVE Lord Jesus actually died on the cross. They believe that Christ's Apostles took Jesus down off the cross beforehand, and that Jesus lived to old age, and having married Mary Magdalene, had children! That is particularly what GNOSTICSM believes, and the followers of 2nd century Gnosticsm are still present today (even the movie The Da Vinci Code is a Gnostic story).

 

[Christian Gedge]

Oh, so now if your interpretation isn't accepted, (from men's doctrines, you didn't come up with what you're pushing), you now are forced to SPIRITUALIZE the Scripture into your THEORY instead of accepting what it plainly says???

That is strong... evidence that you intend to create chaos and corruption away from true Bible understanding. If you tried to do that with a course in electronics you'd be thrown out of the classroom as being too dangerous an individual.

Here is the verse in full that I quoted.Ephesians 2:19-22 As you can see, New Testament writers had a revelation of the temple greater than simplistic literalism.

“You are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”​

This is New Testament Christianity. This is what Daniel was alluding to when he said a time was coming when ‘the Most Holy’ would be anointed. And it WAS anointed - in the 70th week. I dont know you Davy, but if anyone ever starts building a brick and mortar temple in Jerusalem, don’t give a dime towards it! Don’t even clap your hands. It would be an abomination!

 

[Keraz]

if anyone ever starts building a brick and mortar temple in Jerusalem, don’t give a dime towards it! Don’t even clap your hands. It would be an abomination!

There are many clearly stated Prophesies which tell of a new Temple to be built in Jerusalem, in the end times and it will be the place that Jesus will reign from during the Millennium. Zechariah 14:16-21
Zechariah 6:15, is the verse I look forward to.
It will happen and to deny it is to flat out reject scripture.

PS; Hope the cricket gets going - go NZ!

 

[covenantee]

SEE THAT FOLKS:
covenantee has MAJOR PROBLEMS understanding EXPRESSIONS when they point to LITERAL EVENTS!!!

For the Genesis 3:15 verse to be meant SPIRITUALLY, like his deceived mind thinks, it means CHRIST'S COMING TO DIE ON THE CROSS HAD TO HAVE BEEN ONLY... A SPIRITUAL EVENT!!

Got that brethren? By his/her kind of thinking, covenantee is proclaiming that JESUS OF NAZARETH DID NOT ACTUALLY DIE ON THE CROSS!!!

Who would that point to that believes such an idea? Those are actually the UNBELIEVERS under men's false doctrine called FULL PRETERISM and also GNOSTICISM.

Full Preterists and Gnostics DO NOT BELIEVE Lord Jesus actually died on the cross. They believe that Christ's Apostles took Jesus down off the cross beforehand, and that Jesus lived to old age, and having married Mary Magdalene, had children! That is particularly what GNOSTICSM believes, and the followers of 2nd century Gnosticsm are still present today (even the movie The Da Vinci Code is a Gnostic story).

1 Corinthians 2
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Davy took a marker to his Bible and changed every occurrence of "spiritual" to "literal".

Another of his innumerable hallucinations.

 

[Keraz]

Davy took a marker to his Bible and changed every occurrence of "spiritual" to "literal".

Was Jesus death on the Cross, not physical?
You need to be careful to not spiritualize things that can be physically fulfilled.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Josephus never mentions Daniel in his voluminous "Wars of the Jews". Stop making false claims.



You claimed: "Even Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city."

Whether you spend days or the rest of your life or not is irrelevant because the reality is the same: Josephus never mentions Daniel in "Wars of the Jews".

Reality exposes liars.

You have access. You're just too indolent or incognizant to recognize it.

He did but that is okay.

Jewish War 6.5.1 271-276

(PDF) Josephus and the Destruction of Jerusalem | Jonathan Price - Academia.edu

The Fall of Jerusalem
by
Flavius Josephus,

G.A. Williamson (Translator)
3.83 · Rating details · 83 ratings · 13 reviews
Led by the mighty Titus, the Roman army besieges Jerusalem.
This edition starts with 'book 5' of Josephus' Jewish War, the moment Titus marches on Jerusalem. It describes the Jewish internal faction war as well as the siege, the famine and the fights between Jews and Romans.

The destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem (biblehistory.net)

Postong things you did not research makes you look foolish. doubling down onthings you are ignorant of proves it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Readers will note the impeccable grammar in the quoted post.:)

Go exhume and excoriate John Wycliffe for not knowing about Strong's, which would appear more than four centuries later.

Let us know what John says.

Still doesn't prove that Jesus is the second prince mentioned in Daniel 90 which is the topic.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Readers will note the impeccable grammar in the quoted post.:)

When you can't defend your position, you act like the heathen and go after other matters to just muddy the waters. Yes my spelling is atrocious. but I will take bad spelling over reinterpreting Scripture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Readers will note the impeccable grammar in the quoted post.:)

So typical. anything other than addressing the topic. You act lie the ultra liberals in america. Can't defeat anothers position, can't defend you rown so attack a persons character. How Christ like of you!

 

[covenantee]

He did but that is okay.

Jewish War 6.5.1 271-276

(PDF) Josephus and the Destruction of Jerusalem | Jonathan Price - Academia.edu

The Fall of Jerusalem
by
Flavius Josephus,

G.A. Williamson (Translator)
3.83 · Rating details · 83 ratings · 13 reviews
Led by the mighty Titus, the Roman army besieges Jerusalem.
This edition starts with 'book 5' of Josephus' Jewish War, the moment Titus marches on Jerusalem. It describes the Jewish internal faction war as well as the siege, the famine and the fights between Jews and Romans.

The destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem (biblehistory.net)

Postong things you did not research makes you look foolish. doubling down onthings you are ignorant of proves it.

Ignorance on parade.

Thanks for the guffaws.

The War of the Jews/Book V - Wikisource, the free online library

Note that that is direct access into the complete Book V. No downloading is necessary.

You're welcome.

You claimed: "Even Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city."

I defy you to find the word "Daniel" in Josephus' text in Book V.

Be sure to let us all know when you do.

Hint: Josephus never mentions Daniel in "Wars of the Jews".

 

[covenantee]

Was Jesus death on the Cross, not physical?
You need to be careful to not spiritualize things that can be physically fulfilled.

Of course. But where do you see Jesus and His Death and the Cross? They do not literally appear in Genesis 3:15.

1 Corinthians 2:14 tells us.

Spiritual discernment.

 

[covenantee]

So typical. anything other than addressing the topic. You act lie the ultra liberals in america. Can't defeat anothers position, can't defend you rown so attack a persons character. How Christ like of you!

Readers will note the impeccable grammar in the quoted post.:)

I attack your grammar.

If your character is a reflection of your grammar, then you'd better waste no time in whipping the latter into shape.

Of course, you've never so far demonstrated any inclination to do so.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Readers will note the impeccable grammar in the quoted post.:)

I attack your grammar.

If your character is a reflection of your grammar, then you'd better waste no time in whipping the latter into shape.

Of course, you've never so far demonstrated any inclination to do so.

Once again you cannot defend your position so you go into personal attacks. I thought I was debating a Christian. Maybe I am mistaken.

Ignorance on parade.

Thanks for the guffaws.

The War of the Jews/Book V - Wikisource, the free online library

Note that that is direct access into the complete Book V. No downloading is necessary.

You're welcome.

You claimed: "Even Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city."

I defy you to find the word "Daniel" in Josephus' text in Book V.

Be sure to let us all know when you do.

Hint: Josephus never mentions Daniel in "Wars of the Jews".

Once again, He mentions the destgruction of the city and teh sanctuary. that is found in Daniel. Your slithering to avoid you are defenseless is truly a wonder to behold!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Readers will note the impeccable grammar in the quoted post.:)

I attack your grammar.

If your character is a reflection of your grammar, then you'd better waste no time in whipping the latter into shape.

Of course, you've never so far demonstrated any inclination to do so.

Straining at the gnat of my poor grammar so y0ou can distract from the fact you swallow camels of inanity.

I would rather have poor grammar than the disease of haughtiness that afflicts you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ignorance on parade.

Thanks for the guffaws.

The War of the Jews/Book V - Wikisource, the free online library

Note that that is direct access into the complete Book V. No downloading is necessary.

You're welcome.

You claimed: "Even Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city."

I defy you to find the word "Daniel" in Josephus' text in Book V.

Be sure to let us all know when you do.

Hint: Josephus never mentions Daniel in "Wars of the Jews".

But He does mention Daniel in antiquities and the fall of Jerusalem and the sanctuary in Wars. Maybe you don't exist because he doesn't specifically mention you!

 

[covenantee]

Once again you cannot defend your position so you go into personal attacks. I thought I was debating a Christian. Maybe I am mistaken.



Once again, He mentions the destgruction of the city and teh sanctuary. that is found in Daniel. Your slithering to avoid you are defenseless is truly a wonder to behold!

Stupefaction on display.

You claimed: "Even Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city."

Give us the verbatim quote in which "Josephus, th enon believer he was, recognized Titus fulfilled Daniel as far as the destruction of the city".

Another opportunity to prove you're not a Christian liar.