The Ten virgins

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if any are sick among you, call for the elders and have them anoint the sick with oil?

That's likely speaking of essential oils; which are different than fuel oils.

From Egyptian hieroglyphics and ancient Chinese manuscripts, it's known
that priests and physicians have been using essential oils for centuries in
embalming, medicinal, emotional, and spiritual purposes. They included
Rosemary, Frankincense, Myrrh, and Cedarwood. The Greeks and Romans
adopted essential oils in the practice of aromatherapy. (cf. Luke 10:34)
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but youre still waiting for Jesus to “return” tho, right

Yes and no.

to kind of explain …it took forty some years (no pun intended, literally forty some years) of planting things I’m now ashamed of seeing the end of those things is death. That became evident in you reap what you sow. Maybe still there. Paul (to me) an example, as Christ is the example, who sowed in Hope of something better is grown than death. to me that is what faith and trust in God…Hope of better things though yet unseen, though yet what is the end of faith and trust in Him? So “you are still waiting on His return” yes and no…why: you’ll have need of patience?
 
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it took forty some years (no pun intended, literally forty some years) of planting things I’m now ashamed of seeing the end of those things is death
funny to me how often that number comes up in that context; me too!

though yet what is the end of faith and trust in Him?
well, my cup is def running over, although i guess you meant that rhetorically lol

So “you are still waiting on His return” yes and no…why: you’ll have need of patience?
ha well i guess it depends on what kind of “return” you seek, huh? I am not waiting for Jesus to return; i already know where the body of Christ is!
 
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ha well i guess it depends on what kind of “return” you seek, huh? I am not waiting for Jesus to return; i already know where the body of Christ is!

“return” as when they were calling Paul a reprobate yet Paul was persuaded better things of them… “until Christ be formed in you.” That those things which are unseen bring to nothing those things which are seen?
 
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with all due respect (this is just an opinion) but to me the whole point is the marriage supper of the Lamb where two, become One, in Spirit. To me the parables on the surface appear as condemnation. My husband and I were talking about this the other morning…how after the resurrection from the dead of Christ …how could He walk beside them and they do not recognize Him? How could He appear in the room where the doors were shut and they don’t recognize Him immediately saying “peace”. How could they see Him on the sea shore calling and not recognize Him? I can kind of relate …not that his appearance changed as a man sparkling or glowing or in perfect bodily form …but to appear different. So different they didn’t know it was Him. I can relate since hearing of condemnation all my days and reading the OT and having this image of who God is, of adopting all the things I have been told of who God is…all the condemnation that is revealed in the word …. After the resurrection from the dead of Christ, I do believe He could very easily walk with me, beside me, on a road and I would not even recognize Him. If that isn’t clear …I mean “Lord, you look different. So very different. Who are you?” “I’ve heard you come only to the lost sheep of Israel. I’ve heard the bread is only for the children and not given to the dogs. Why are You here..who are You? You are saying you are Him and Lord…but you sure don’t look like the Lord I’ve heard of, that would come.”

When Jesus went through locked doors, we believe he was spirit as no one seen him, and we believe spirits have that capability. Like all spirit beings that have appeared to men, Jesus took on human form, but not his own personal body which was sacrificed for those on the road to life. He likely appeared in several different bodies as well, because he stayed for a while and was never recognized. And like you say, that is simply my opinion which may or may not be correct.
 

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This is not about being dead physically; but those five virgins were dead spiritually.

Revisiting some of the earlier post others have made in this thread…I’ve read all replies but some I didn’t comment back on, because I don’t know what to say. One of those post is the one you seemed irritated With me asking “why is this so hard for you to get?” To that I had no response.
Regarding “This is not about being dead physically; but those five virgins were dead spiritually”
For what it is worth … the OP never intended to suggest they were “all dead” physically. Because to me where Paul spoke 2 Corinthians 5:14-15 neither do I think this is suggesting all were dead physically but instead (Imo) all were dead unto God. “For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.”

Since one died for all
Then all were dead unto God
Arise from the dead?
wake up you that sleep …point was “all slumbered and slept” which makes me think of the passage on: this is why many in the church sleep and are weak …which (Imo) is a cry of: even though we be as reprobates to you, this we hope, happy are we when are weak and you are made strong. This also we hope even your perfection. he urges “do no evil” not that we should seem approved but that you do what is right in the sight of God. (Awake unto God?) “Do no evil”
Deliver us from evil? Here, Paul is saying even though we be as weak…your persuasion that I’m a reprobate… “I trust you will know we are not reprobate” (could it be “not reprobates” having been reconciled unto God, made alive unto God)(awake you that sleep, raise from the dead, and Christ will give you light) …Daniel in the den of lions helps here …weakness and submission in the arena of spectators of what will the lions do? From Daniel and from Paul …however “God delivered me out from the lions den and He shut the mouths of lions” Daniel 6:22 My God has sent his angel, and has shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me(until Christ be formed in you); and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
Sounds like what Paul was telling them “I’m glad when I am weak. For when I am weak, I am strong.” “I trust you will see we are not reprobates”

but see …for me you suggested they were not all dead physically but were all dead spiritually …I’m not disagreeing. why then do we apply “wake up you that sleep, raise from the dead” to being physically dead and not spiritually dead? which I agree that is the point of
In that one died for all…then all were dead (spiritually) that seems to be the urging of “but now made Alive unto God by the body of Christ.” Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, [23] Which is his body, the fulness of him that fills all in all.

Ephesians 5:13-14 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Why do we take a parable about all being dead…say they were all dead “slumbered and slept” and then apply it to a futuristic waking up of some to damnation, and some awake to life …but all hear His voice saying “let the graves open and them come forth”… unto to death more abundantly or unto to life more abundantly?
 
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Why do we take a parable about all being dead…say they were all dead “slumbered and slept” and then apply it to a futuristic waking up of some to damnation, and some awake to life …but all hear His voice saying “let the graves open and them come forth”… unto to death or unto to life?

Why can’t it be both?
 

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Why can’t it be both?

I will say my husband said something a little while ago that to me was profound. Which has really made me consider… there is this thing hard to get past …funerals … watching a love one being lowered into the ground within a casket, everyone standing around weeping. Knowing you are soon going to be next to sink down into the ground while others stand there weeping. The whole casket thing …lowered down into darkness and the dirt thrown over that body. Let’s see if I can relate what was so profound to me that my husband said …how everything has to die and go into the ground to be born anew into what it was intended to be. What was significant to me is which ground must the seed die and go into to be born anew? Is the dirt at the funeral the ground the body must die and go into, to be reborn? Or is the heart the ground?
 

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I will say my husband said something a little while ago that to me was profound. Which has really made me consider… there is this thing hard to get past …funerals … watching a love one being lowered into the ground within a casket, everyone standing around weeping. Knowing you are soon going to be next to sink down unto the ground while others stand there weeping. The whole casket thing …lowered down into darkness and the dirt thrown over that body. Let’s see if I can relate what was so profound to me that my husband said …how everything has to die and go into the ground to be born anew into what it was intended to be. What was significant to me is which ground must the seed die and go into to be born anew? Is the dirt at the funeral the ground it goes into to die and be reborn? Or is the heart the ground?

Both. The new body will be given after the old one falls into the ground and dies. But also, and more importantly, we die here so we can live. It appears to happen so slowly to us but…Gods working us toward it always.
 
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That was in reference to:

  1. 1 Thessalonians 4:15
    For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

  2. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

it took me a little while to remember why I brought that up in this thread. It was because “Alive and remain” made me think of . “For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live (Alive and remain) should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.”
 
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I will say my husband said something a little while ago that to me was profound. Which has really made me consider… there is this thing hard to get past …funerals … watching a love one being lowered into the ground within a casket, everyone standing around weeping. Knowing you are soon going to be next to sink down into the ground while others stand there weeping. The whole casket thing …lowered down into darkness and the dirt thrown over that body. Let’s see if I can relate what was so profound to me that my husband said …how everything has to die and go into the ground to be born anew into what it was intended to be. What was significant to me is which ground must the seed die and go into to be born anew? Is the dirt at the funeral the ground the body must die and go into, to be reborn? Or is the heart the ground?
It's the world.

In this "land" everyone dies...but with the opportunity to be born again of the spirit of God.
 

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Both. The new body will be given after the old one falls into the ground and dies. But also, and more importantly, we die here so we can live. It appears to happen so slowly to us but…Gods working us toward it always.

makes me think of: the grave holds no power.
 
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Regarding the ten virgins…
Not only posting things here, but during morning coffee my husband and I talk about it. He said something else that stands out…
about the Pharisees where they were told
Luke 11:52-54 Woe unto you, lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. [53] And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: [54] Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in.


you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. (Prevented)

for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

makes you wonder who shuts up the kingdom of heaven when other comes and knock, “the door is now shut, I never knew you.” for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:

He seems to be saying the wise in their own conceit will in the last times be compared to the kingdom of heaven…for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men.

For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men
Seems significant with :For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
 
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“return” as when they were calling Paul a reprobate yet Paul was persuaded better things of them… “until Christ be formed in you.”
maybe, huh

That those things which are unseen bring to nothing those things which are seen?
hmm
i would have said the opposite maybe, but it wouldnt surprise me any that both are true in some way
 

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Regarding the ten virgins…
Not only posting things here, but during morning coffee my husband and I talk about it. He said something else that stands out…
about the Pharisees where they were told
Luke 11:52-54 Woe unto you, lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. [53] And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: [54] Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in.


you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. (Prevented)

for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

makes you wonder who shuts up the kingdom of heaven when other comes and knock, “the door is now shut, I never knew you.” for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:

He seems to be saying the wise in their own conceit will in the last times be compared to the kingdom of heaven…for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men.

For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men
Seems significant with :For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
”dont treat those you deem as lost the same way most Christians do” maybe

in another reflection the gate is always open, right? Even though it is still a gate :)
so fwiw, the pearl comes into play there, apparently;
we find it, as in a field, and then we hide it, right
 
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