The Ten virgins

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The 10 virgins are symbolic of the church.

I seriously doubt that's true seeing as how the "my church" that Jesus spoke
of in Matt 16:18 is portrayed in the New Testament as a bride rather than
girls without men.
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[ScottA]

@ScottA said something that helped the other day…
“alive and remain”
All I could think of there is “alive” Unto God…

That was in reference to:

1. 1 Thessalonians 4:15
   For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
   
   
2. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
   Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 

[marks]

thank you for the encouragement. I was laying in bed last night and suddenly felt embarrassed no replythinking: that was a stupid thing to suggest. Wishing for a second I could delete this thread…

Not at all! This is something meaningful to Jesus' story.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The Parable is about the Second Coming of Christ in Judgement. The oil is symbolic for the Holy Spirit. Five virgins did not have the Holy Spirit. Since the theme of Matthew is
regarded as a message to the Jewish Christians, it is understandable that unbelieving Jews who have not received Christ or the Spirit think they are prepared for the Messiah (the five foolish virgins). But they aren't. They say Lord, Lord, bla, bla, bla, but Christ says away from me I do not know you. That means He never had a relationship with them.
The sleep and slumber is just people not being ready, prepared, not looking His coming anytime soon so they fall sleep ( not paying attention). This is not about being dead physically; but those five virgins were dead spiritually.

I think so also. Except maybe the oil is lamp oil, and signifies readiness in their familiar terms.

Much love!

 

[marks]

ok. So how do five have oil as you said is symbolic for the Holy Spirit …if they all ten are spiritually dead? Are you suggesting those who have the Holy Spirit are spiritually dead…because they all ten slumbered and slept? Oh…you make a good point.

As a parable, this is intended to be a short story with things familiar to the listener, told to impart a certain truth, which I think is, in this case, that it is too late to get ready when the bridegroom comes, you have be already be prepared.

When you look at a parable as an allegory, you need to find meanings to all the terms used, however, this can end up misleading. Like the "parable of the unjust judge", if you take that allegorically, you end up with God being unjust, and we know that's not right.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Revisiting the ten virgins
Something that stood out this morning is “they all slept”. I’ve never noticed that before with Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

It never occurred to me before that the virgins were dead … that they “all slept”
It never occurred in connection to if they were all asleep …they were all dead…the significance of “awake you that sleep, arise from the dead…”. This kind of changes (Imo) in connection with some awake unto the resurrection of Life, and some to the resurrection of damnation.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection Life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: My judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent Me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

“…as I hear, I judge: My judgement is just;” the words of Christ in the above reminds me of
2 Corinthians 5:10-15 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. [11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God (the ministry of reconciliation?); and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. [12] For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart. [13] For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not hereforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

then were all dead

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

And that he died for all, that they which live should not hereforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Ephesians 5:13-18 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light for whatsoever does make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. [15] See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, [16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. [17] Wherefore be you not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Being born into the world following Adam's original sin and the fall, is being born into death--everyone dies.

The good news of Christ comes like a shaft of light through a prism into darkness, that darkness of pending death.

In the kingdom this is that "half an hour of silence in heaven" mentioned in the scriptures, that moment of visitation where Christ comes to all who are born from the Beginning and the End of time (whom by name is Christ). "Half" meaning "divided"...as in "a time, times, and half a time." Which is to say, in the kingdom it is not a matter of time at all but a matter of God incrementally revealing through the Light of Christ, that prism of time which is divided out to "each one in his own order." Wherein marrow is divided from bone, and each one must choose. Time is the last will and testament of all who are born.

This is the Judgement.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

ok. So how do five have oil as you said is symbolic for the Holy Spirit …if they all ten are spiritually dead? Are you suggesting those who have the Holy Spirit are spiritually dead…because they all ten slumbered and slept? Oh…you make a good point.

Metaphors Revealing the Holy Spirit, Part 3: Oil as a Metaphor for the Holy Spirit

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

see, though, before I forget ten virgins
All slumbered and slept
There was a cry at midnight
The “bridegroom comes”, even so Lord come!
They awake…what do we suggest always about the ten virgins
Five awoke and they had their Light …going in to meet the bridegroom.
five awoke and had no light but instead their lamps had went out. (Thinking of were He said “I will remove your lamps before me.”)
How is that not suggestive of:
some awaken and come forth unto the resurrection unto Life.
And they that done evil awaken unto the resurrection of damnation. Is this not what we suggest in they awaken and have no light? And go away …where? ‘Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:45-46

these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal
…what do we go on about “the ten virgins”? Five where? The other five where?

5 Saved. 5 not

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I think so also. Except maybe the oil is lamp oil, and signifies readiness in their familiar terms.

Much love!

Certainly, Christians are ready, we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit.
A lamp is not illuminated unless their oil in it. The Holy Spirit gives us the ability to be light in darkness.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

5 Saved. 5 not

you said “5 Saved. 5 not.”
we they all dead?
Did they all awake? “Raise from the dead”?
Did five awake unto the resurrection to Life?
Did five awake unto the resurrection to damnation?

if not, then what are you saying that makes “5 saved. 5 not” different than 5 awakened to Life, 5 awakened to damnation?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Did five awake unto the resurrection to Life?
Did five awake unto the resurrection to damnation?

Why is it difficult for you to understand why those_ at Jesus Coming _ who have the Holy Spirit (born again Christians) are resurrected to life eternal and those who do not have the Holy Spirit (who are spiritually dead) will be resurrected to age-during (anionios) destruction?
The dead in Christ do not receive eternal bodies like Christ. They just get their flesh back temporarily to be thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed, both body and soul.
"And do not fear them who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt. 10:28

"Thus says the Lord God to these bones: “Surely I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live. 6 I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ ”Ezek. 37:5-7
These are not believers described here. They do not know the Lord.
People who denied Jesus will realize that He is God when they are resurrected, find themselves alive again _ with their bodies _ on earth _ but unfortunately only to be zapped in during the middle of the Great Tribulation.

 

[Cassandra]

but it can be given? Or shared? Because if it can’t be shared than what is the point “sharing the Gospel”?
God gives us not a spirit of fear again unto bondage, but a Spirit of love, of power, and of a sound mind.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

It is better to give than to receive?

The message can be given or shared with another. But God gives the Spirit to man--we cannot give it to another.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The message can be given or shared with another. But God gives the Spirit to man--we cannot give it to another.

A question then…I’m not debating for or against it. It is only questions: what about the laying on of hands? is it safe to assume you don’t think The Holy Spirit can be given to another through the laying on of hands? I’ve never understood the whole laying on of hands…

 

[Robert Gwin]

Revisiting the ten virgins
Something that stood out this morning is “they all slept”. I’ve never noticed that before with Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

It never occurred to me before that the virgins were dead … that they “all slept”
It never occurred in connection to if they were all asleep …they were all dead…the significance of “awake you that sleep, arise from the dead…”. This kind of changes (Imo) in connection with some awake unto the resurrection of Life, and some to the resurrection of damnation.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection Life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: My judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent Me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

“…as I hear, I judge: My judgement is just;” the words of Christ in the above reminds me of
2 Corinthians 5:10-15 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. [11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God (the ministry of reconciliation?); and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. [12] For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart. [13] For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not hereforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

then were all dead

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

And that he died for all, that they which live should not hereforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Ephesians 5:13-18 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light for whatsoever does make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. [15] See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, [16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. [17] Wherefore be you not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

The point Vicky? Keep on the watch, we are so close to the return of Christ, that we do not want to be caught up in the marrying and given in marriage, and the eating and showy display of the eyes. We need to keep focused on seeking the Kingdom first in our lives, especially as we behold the day drawing ever nearer maam.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The point Vicky? Keep on the watch, we are so close to the return of Christ, that we do not want to be caught up in the marrying and given in marriage, and the eating and showy display of the eyes. We need to keep focused on seeking the Kingdom first in our lives, especially as we behold the day drawing ever nearer maam.

with all due respect (this is just an opinion) but to me the whole point is the marriage supper of the Lamb where two, become One, in Spirit. To me the parables on the surface appear as condemnation. My husband and I were talking about this the other morning…how after the resurrection from the dead of Christ …how could He walk beside them and they do not recognize Him? How could He appear in the room where the doors were shut and they don’t recognize Him immediately saying “peace”. How could they see Him on the sea shore calling and not recognize Him? I can kind of relate …not that his appearance changed as a man sparkling or glowing or in perfect bodily form …but to appear different. So different they didn’t know it was Him. I can relate since hearing of condemnation all my days and reading the OT and having this image of who God is, of adopting all the things I have been told of who God is…all the condemnation that is revealed in the word …. After the resurrection from the dead of Christ, I do believe He could very easily walk with me, beside me, on a road and I would not even recognize Him. If that isn’t clear …I mean “Lord, you look different. So very different. Who are you?” “I’ve heard you come only to the lost sheep of Israel. I’ve heard the bread is only for the children and not given to the dogs. Why are You here..who are You? You are saying you are Him and Lord…but you sure don’t look like the Lord I’ve heard of, that would come.”

 

[bbyrd009]

at some point the realization will come i guess; we just resist it imo bc it doesnt fit with what we have been taught, and is initially unpleasant. How could we walk beside Him and not recognize Him, indeed! lol

but youre still waiting for Jesus to “return” tho, right

the emoji just came up recently, I thought it was a new option given to the forums emoji’s. At the top bar above the post…does yours say “Angie’s smilies”?

no reply ah ok ty :)

You said “you mean literally? It is parable, right?” Similar to Lazarus and the rich man?

i would say yes

why didn’t they share their light?

to that i would say that “light” was not what the parable is about, but rather “oil?”

 

[bbyrd009]

The message can be given or shared with another. But God gives the Spirit to man--we cannot give it to another.

well…i wouldnt be so sure ok

 

[bbyrd009]

A question then…I’m not debating for or against it. It is only questions: what about the laying on of hands? is it safe to assume you don’t think The Holy Spirit can be given to another through the laying on of hands? I’ve never understood the whole laying on of hands…

imo bc it is being perceived much too literally. contemplate “laying hands” on someone w/o ever touching them, maybe. giving them your attention iow

 

[bbyrd009]

another new occurrence for me is not only the new emojis but now I have a pop up that rises up from the bottom every time I visit the site. Does anyone else have this, or just me?

just started today. neat.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

to that i would say that “light” was not what the parable is about, but rather “oil?”

if any are sick among you, call for the elders and have them anoint the sick with oil?