The Pre-Trib Rapture

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That's EXACTLY what it says in the Peshitta. Read if for yourself.
Hebrews 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

no, that's what the well-known Judaizing false teacher George Lamsa wrote.

read the actual Peshitta:



the word "duty" is not present.
the words "to keep" is not present.

you should fear God, and stop thinking to add to His word.

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus told of the experience in sheol. Does the soul experience the effects of a physical body in sheol? Yes.

Oh, so literal Abraham's bosom is not his literal bosom, and now literal eyes, ears, tongues, bosoms, etc., aren't literal, either? Sure sounding more and more like a parable ;)

Is Abraham a literal person, yes. Was the rich man a literal person, yes. Was Lazarus raised from the dead, yes. Are those O.

In a parable, things happen that cannot and do not happen in real experience. Such is the case with the Rich Man and Lazarus. They are said to possess bodies which they are not to obtain until the resurrection and your objection is based purely on suppostion, not a text.

 

[Phoneman777]

Eve did not even exist on that first Sabbath.

If you check Genesis, you'll see that God created EVERYTHING including Eve the first six days and rested the Sabbath

 

[covenantee]

Which is what? Telling you to stop making stuff up about my post? Why is telling to you to stop making stuff up anti-Semitic?

Are you defining semitism as "making stuff up"?

You deride and scorn as "making stuff up", the genetic Jews who affirm the mathematical and empirical evidence for genetic ubiquity.

Your derision and scorn directed at genetic Jews, is anti-Semitic.

 

[Timtofly]

If you check Genesis, you'll see that God created EVERYTHING including Eve the first six days and rested the Sabbath

Now who is not using text? Eve was taken out of Adam, not created.

 

[Timtofly]

You deride and scorn as "making stuff up", the genetic Jews who affirm the mathematical and empirical evidence for genetic ubiquity.

Your derision and scorn directed at genetic Jews, is anti-Semitic.

Sorry, but you have been posting derision and scorn. My problem is I keep reposting your post, in my replies.

 

[covenantee]

Sorry, but you have been posting derision and scorn. My problem is I keep reposting your post, in my replies.

Your derision and scorn are anti-Semitic.

You are incapable of disproving the mathematical and empirical evidences of genetic ubiquity.

Thus you deride and scorn the genetic Jews who affirm them as "making stuff up".

 

[Timtofly]

Oh, so literal Abraham's bosom is not his literal bosom, and now literal eyes, ears, tongues, bosoms, etc., aren't literal, either? Sure sounding more and more like a parable ;)

In a parable, things happen that cannot and do not happen in real experience. Such is the case with the Rich Man and Lazarus. They are said to possess bodies which they are not to obtain until the resurrection and your objection is based purely on suppostion, not a text.

You have misinterpreted my post. You can call the account Jesus gave a parable, but Scripture does not. Jesus did not call it a parable. It is your interpretation, not mine.

When you make a Scripture claim, why do you not use the actual verse? You said "they are said to possess bodies." Is that your opinion or actual Scripture? You assume all in sheol will possess bodies eventually. Even the rich man, and why? I object to your assumption, so why are you calling it my supposition. You cannot prove a point that does not exist in the text. If you have a bias against the text, you are the one that has to prove that bias.

 

[Timtofly]

Your derision and scorn are anti-Semitic.

You are incapable of disproving the mathematical and empirical evidences of genetic ubiquity.

Thus you deride and scorn the genetic Jews who affirm them as "making stuff up".

No, you keep making stuff up about me. I have avoided your attempt at trapping me. Then you chide me for responding to your post in a friendly manner.

 

[covenantee]

No, you keep making stuff up about me. I have avoided your attempt at trapping me. Then you chide me for responding to your post in a friendly manner.

Why not stick to the topic, which I've just reiterated.

You are incapable of disproving the mathematical and empirical evidences of genetic ubiquity.

Thus your "Israel" is the entirety of humanity and thus genetically meaningless.

But God's Israel is identified by spiritual genetics.

Two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

 

[Truth7t7]

So?

They are humans marked with an expiration date. They have gone beyond the point of Adam's punishment which was declared over at the 7th Trumpet. Mankind was only punished for 6,000 years. No longer than the time equal to God's 6 days of work for creation itself.

But then again you remain in objection to 2 Peter 3:8 which shows God has been patient for 6,000 years, compared to His 6 Days of creation. Just like Exodus 20 states. The 4th Commandment places that expiration on mankind because of one man's sin.

You and Phoneman777 have a weirder twist on the mark than I do. You claim some man declared some law in the dark ages that causes the mark. Now explain where that is found in Scripture. I have verses in Exodus 20, 2 Peter 3, and Revelation 13 and 20 to point out almost the same thing. Just a different aspect of the Sabbath, which no one Remembers from Genesis 2. And you call me crazy.

You observe the works of man. I pointed out the Word of God. God places the mark at the moment He removes a name from the Lamb's book of life.

Your going off on a bumpy road tangent in diversion, my view on the mark of the beast has nothing to do with Phoneman, yet you lump us together, I don't believe Sunday observance is the mark, your "Wrong"

Scripture teaches the number 666 is the number of a human "MAN" and a personal pronoun is used "HIS" as seen in Revelation 13:18 Below

You claimed the number was related to hours, days, years, that calculated to your claim of 666 as seen below "Wrong"!

Quote: Timtofly Post #2589
"Call it crazy, but 6 hours a day, 6 days a week, 6,000 years of creation. That is literally 666."

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

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the well-known Judaizing false teacher George Lamsa

while 'Judaizer' isn't inaccurate, it is more accurate to say George Lamsa was an occultist.

GEORGE M. LAMSA: Christian Scholar or Cultic Torchbearer? | Christian Research Institute

his 'Lamsa Bible' is full of error and he himself was full of heresy, which is reflected in both his writings and his personal scripture.

@Phoneman777 you should not be promoting him.
anyway i thought you were 'kjv-only' ?? only when it suits your personal doctrines, i guess?

 

[No Pre-TB]

Now who is not using text? Eve was taken out of Adam, not created.

You're being ridiculous. Please stop flip flopping subjects. God took a rib from Adam and created Eve. But let’s go back to the subject of post #2623.
You said Eve didn’t exist on the sabbath day of rest. You were proved wrong as God rested after the 6th day. Just humble yourself and admit fault to the OP, thank him for increasing your knowledge and that’s it. When you play dodgeball as you do constantly on these forums, you keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

And again, stop flip flopping and stay on subject!

 

[No Pre-TB]

Scripture teaches the number 666 is the number of a human "MAN" and a personal pronoun is used "HIS" as seen in Revelation 13:18 Below

Does it though? Different translators have omitted “his” for “it’s” and “the number of it is..” Unless you only use the KJV and think it’s superior.

Secondly, just for comparison sake, anthropos is the generic word for mankind, as it’s not always just a single man. And the text could mean 600, 60 and 6 is something we’d see in mankind. Especially when you define what the Greek words for calculate, number and beast (therion) refer to. But that is a topic for another thread.

 

[Timtofly]

Why not stick to the topic, which I've just reiterated.

You are incapable of disproving the mathematical and empirical evidences of genetic ubiquity.

Thus your "Israel" is the entirety of humanity and thus genetically meaningless.

But God's Israel is identified by spiritual genetics.

Two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

The topic is the pre-trib rapture.

 

[Timtofly]

You're being ridiculous. Please stop flip flopping subjects. God took a rib from Adam and created Eve. But let’s go back to the subject of post #2623.
You said Eve didn’t exist on the sabbath day of rest. You were proved wrong as God rested after the 6th day. Just humble yourself and admit fault to the OP, thank him for increasing your knowledge and that’s it. When you play dodgeball as you do constantly on these forums, you keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

And again, stop flip flopping and stay on subject!

Adam was placed in the Garden, and the Garden was planted after the Sabbath Day of rest.

 

[Phoneman777]

no, that's what the well-known Judaizing false teacher George Lamsa wrote. read the actual Peshitta: View attachment 24377 the word "duty" is not present. the words "to keep" is not present.

No, what's well known is that cowardly liberal OSAS pseudo-scholars have overrun Christianity, bringing with them their flawed translations like this one you seem to adore. Billy Graham and Oral Roberts and many others agree with Lamsa's translation and these men are from a time before Christianity was overrun with these OSAS License to Sin advocates who seek to hide the truth.

you should fear God, and stop thinking to add to His word.

You should stop rebelling against the commandments of God, because only those who keep them "have right to the Tree of Life and may enter into the gates to the city".

 

[covenantee]

The topic is the pre-trib rapture.

So why your references to 1948 Israel and the blooming fig tree?

The topic is the pre-trib rapture.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

No, what's well known is that cowardly liberal OSAS pseudo-scholars have overrun Christianity, bringing with them their flawed translations

Ain’t that the truth!

 

[Phoneman777]

you have a tape measure that measures spirit?

interesting.

When it comes to the Rich Man and Lazarus, the Bible is the only instrument necessary to measure how high your doctrines sit atop what Luther referred to as the "Roman dunghill of decretals".