Bible alone

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry don’t know what “iuntelligent” is.

You don't know how to answer any of the questions I posed either . . .

 

[Illuminator]

If you ever wondered why no apostle gave Mary any glory here is your answer:

Gal 6:14 - But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Mary never wanted glory for herself. Have you ever wondered why anti-Mary Christians like yourself cover up the reformers teachings about Mary???

 

[Davy]

The Word of God mandates tradition, ....

No it doesn't. Lord Jesus is Who WARNED His followers about the leaven traditions of men. He explained it well too, through an analogy about literal leaven and fragments (Mark 8:14-21).

Thus there is a difference between God's idea of traditions, vs. traditions of men. The baskets of fragments that the disciples gathered up after feeding the multitudes represented The Pure Whole Loaf (Word of God untainted) being divided into pieces with men's traditions added to it (fragments). That is why there was way more... baskets of fragments left over.

And that is exactly what men's traditions do. They take only pieces... of God's Word out of Scripture, and try to apply in ways outside... the actual context of where it was written, changing and adding to God's Word. That is a working by the devil. And the devil even did that very thing by adding a single short phrase to the Psalms 91 Scripture when he quoted it to Lord Jesus in Luke 4.

In today's time, the seminaries and various religious schools have been practicing the adding and teaching of men's traditions to God's Word for so long, that when those under their teachings do hear someone proclaim accurately The Word of God as written, they wrongly think the one proclaiming is speaking their own word! Things are that twisted today. Nevertheless, God showed in His prophets this would happen for the END of this world, that there would be famine for hearing The Word of God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You missed the point of this topic and Sola Scriptura.
The goal was NEVER to convince you that any MAN was the CORRECT ‘magisterium’ or any MAN had the correct ‘tradition’. The point of Sola Scriptura is that the WORD OF GOD is the only infallible source that we possess, therefore all ‘magisterium’ and all ‘tradition’ must be measured against and yield to the authority of Scripture.

I could address dozens of “competing doctrines”, but it would prove nothing … it would still be the teaching and tradition of a man (me) that would need to be weighed against the TRUTH of the Word of God (Sola Scriptura). That is the point that the Reformers wanted to make … only God’s opinion counts and He recorded His opinion in the Bible.

WRONG.

The very idea that you ALL profess that Scripture is our “SOLE” Authority – yet ALL of you have different doctrines which your founders gleaned from THEIR personal understanding of Scripture - nullifies the entire false doctrine.

If you DON’T all have the same understanding of Scripture and formulate competing doctrines – then you cannot claim that Scripture is your “SOLE” Authority.

 

[Jim B]

we don’t believe in prayers to the dead Jn 11:25

if the promised land was a type of heaven then the bondage in Egypt was a type of purgatory

Queen to follow

"Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death. Amen." The classic prayer to the dead!

What does it mean to say 3 Hail Marys?

It is known as the "Three Hail Mary Devotion," and consists of saying three times each day the Hail Mary with the invocation "O my Mother, preserve me this day (or night) from mortal sin." The prayer is said three times to honor the Most Blessed Trinity

 

[BreadOfLife]

Orthodox Church in America
Question
As a Greek Orthodox may I receive the sacrament of Holy Communion in a Catholic Church. Do you know the rules regarding Greek Orthodox and Catholic relations? I live in an area where the closest church is a Roman Catholic Church. Does the Catholic Church recognize us as equals?

Answer
Orthodox Christians are not permitted to receive Communion in non-Orthodox communities, including the Roman Catholic. To do so would imply a unity that in fact does not yet exist. Also it implies that we are “united” to the faith community from which we receive the Eucharist.

In brief, while Roman Catholicism sees Orthodoxy as a “sister church”, Orthodoxy sees herself as the fullness of the Church, not the “other half” of the Church, as implied in the notion of a “sister church.”

The Catholic Church DOES recognize the Orthodox Churches as having legitimate Apostolic Succession.

A Catholic mat receive communion in an Orthodox Church – but the opposite is not the case.
I would say that this is more of an issue for the Orthodox Churches.
NOT sure what you're getting at.

 

[Jim B]

how is this work carried out without the jurisdictional authority of Peter and the his successors who alone possess the “keys of Christ’s kingdom“???

Galatians 2:7-9, " On the contrary, when they saw that I was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised just as Peter was entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who empowered Peter for his apostleship to the circumcised also empowered me for my apostleship to the Gentiles) and when James, Cephas, and John, who had a reputation as pillars, recognized the grace that had been given to me, they gave to Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we would go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised."

This is what Scripture clearly says! Peter was entrusted with the gospel to the Jews only! If you disagree with that then you are in conflict with God's perfect word!

 

[Jim B]

youre 325 is the lie

Christ founded one church Jn 10:16 on Peter Matt 16:18-19

John 10:16 says nothing about "one church". It says "one flock and one shepherd". There is one body of Christ -- His people -- and one shepherd -- Jesus. To claim that this means the Catholic denomination is ridiculous!

All one has to do is read the epistles and the beginning of Revelation to realize there are many churches. The Catholic denomination is not "the one church"! It isn't mentioned anywhere in Scripture!

See my previous post #247 regarding Peter, the apostle to the Jews only.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There aren’t.
Name all tens of thousands.
Name one thousand.

The figure comes from a freakish way of counting. If we SAY that every RCC congregation (local assembly) is a distinct denomination, then how many “Catholic” denominations would there be? That is the sort of game being played with the Protestant denominations. If you disagree, then prove me wrong and list them.

First of all – there is only ONE Catholic Church.
EVERY other sect that has “Catholic” in its title is a Protestant denomination.
Christ Catholic Church.
Ecumenical Catholic Church
Old Catholic Church
Irish Catholic Church, etc.

NONE of these are the Catholic Church as they ALL broke off from the Church at some poiint.

That being said – the “official” number of Protestant denominations doesn’t come from a Catholic source – but from a PROTESTANT source (World Christian Encyclopedia (Barrett, Kurian, and Johnson; Oxford University Press).

At the last printing, it is at about 35,000.
I agree with you that this number is probably inflated, so I simply say tens of thousands. This could mean ANYTHING above ten thousand – which is FAR too many.

I’ve debated about TEN different versions of Sola Scriptura alone with people on this forum. There are FAR more “Lone Ranger” Christians, who invent their own doctrines than there are establish denominations.
However – even If there are 500 – that’s FAR too many.

 

[theefaith]

You have no scripture that shows or supports purgatory. FYI, the imagination of lost folks is a terrible foundation for doctrine.

Types and figures

Rom 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Christian Purgatory


Psalm 66:12 (RSV) Thou didst let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water; yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place.

This verse was considered a proof of purgatory by Origen and St. Ambrose, who posits the water of baptism and the fire of purgatory.

Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. (cf. 1:25-26; 6:5-7; Ecc 12:14)

St. Augustine, in the 20th Book of his City of God, chapter 25, interprets this as purgatory. The preceding verse refers to the saved (“called holy” and “recorded for life”) and verses 5 and 6 describe the repose of the blessed.

Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Lev 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lam 3:39)

St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory.

Malachi 3:3 he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD.

Origen, St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and St. Jerome all thought this was a description of purgatory.

2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [45] But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Cor 15:29)

The Jews offered atonement and prayer for their deceased brethren, who had clearly violated Mosaic Law. Such a practice presupposes purgatory, since those in heaven wouldn’t need any help, and those in hell are beyond it.

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, “You fool!” shall be liable to the hell of fire.

St. Francis de Sales commented:

It is only the third sort of offence which is punished with hell; therefore in the judgment of God after this life there are other pains which are not eternal or infernal, — these are the pains of Purgatory. (The Catholic Controversy translated by Henry B. Mackey, Rockford, Illinois: TAN Books, 1989 [orig. 1596], 373)

Matthew 5:26 truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

The “prison” alluded to in verse 25 is purgatory, according to Tertullian, St. Cyprian, Origen, St. Ambrose, and St. Jerome, while the “penny” represents the most minor sins that one commits.

Matthew 12:32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

If this sin cannot be forgiven after death, it follows that there are others which can be, and this must be in purgatory: precisely the interpretation of St. Augustine, Pope St. Gregory the Great, the Venerable Bede, and St. Bernard, among others.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw – [13] each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.


This is a clear and obvious allusion to purgatory. Thus thought St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, Pope St. Gregory the Great, Origen, and St. Augustine, who wrote with his usual insight:

ecause it is said, he shall be saved, that fire is thought lightly of. For all that, though we should be saved by fire, yet will that fire be more grievous than anything that man can suffer in this life whatsoever. (Expositions on the Psalms, 38, 2)

Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. (cf. 12:1, 5-11, 15, 23, Eph 5:5; 1 Thess 4:3; 1 Jn 3:2-3)

Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman observed (as an Anglican):

Even supposing a man of unholy life were suffered to enter heaven, he would not be happy there; so that it would be no mercy to permit him to enter . . . There is a moral malady which disorders the inward sight and taste; and no man labouring under it is in a condition to enjoy what Scripture calls the fulness of joy in God’s presence, . . . (Sermon on this verse: “Holiness Necessary for Future Blessedness,” 1834)

Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

The abundance of scriptural evidence for purgatory led to a consensus among the Church fathers: summarized by Protestant church historian Philip Schaff:

These views of the middle state in connection with prayers for the dead show a strong tendency to the Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. (History of the Christian Church, vol. 2, “Ante-Nicene Christianity: A. D. 100-325,” 5th edition, New York: 1889; ch. 12, sec. 156, 604-606)

 

[Dropship]

Do YOU think that we should blame ALL Baptist congregations when a Baptist minister molests a child? How about Lutherans? Presbyterians? SDAs?

A pervert is a pervert whether they're catholic or anything else, and if a church tries to cover up for them, shame on the church..:)

 

[theefaith]

If you ever wondered why no apostle gave Mary any glory here is your answer:

Gal 6:14 - But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

rev 12:1 in heavenly glory

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, cos Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

 

[BreadOfLife]

[1 Corinthians 3:4-7 NASB95] 4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not [mere] men? 5 What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave [opportunity] to each one. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.​

So where exactly does 1 Corinthians 3 “teach against factions/denominations”?
This is exactly why it is important to follow the example of the Bereans and check Scripture to see if what men claim is true.

What scripture DOES say about factions is this (read it for yourself and decide what it means):

[1 Corinthians 11:19 NASB95] 19 For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you.​

MY mistake.
I meant to post THIS passage from the same Letter to the Corinthians . . .

1 Cor. 1:10-17
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Ce's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

We are ALL supposed to ne – as Paul writes:
Eph. 4:4-4
There is ONE body and ONE Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

 

[theefaith]

What about 2 John 1:12?

Are you expecting the author of 2 John to show up face to face and speak to you?

no but an apostle for sure!

acts 8:31 he had scripture God sent an apostle

Acts 8:14
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

 

[Jim B]

Types and figures

Rom 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Christian Purgatory


Psalm 66:12 (RSV) Thou didst let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water; yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place.

This verse was considered a proof of purgatory by Origen and St. Ambrose, who posits the water of baptism and the fire of purgatory.

Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. (cf. 1:25-26; 6:5-7; Ecc 12:14)

St. Augustine, in the 20th Book of his City of God, chapter 25, interprets this as purgatory. The preceding verse refers to the saved (“called holy” and “recorded for life”) and verses 5 and 6 describe the repose of the blessed.

Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Lev 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lam 3:39)

St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory.

Malachi 3:3 he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD.

Origen, St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and St. Jerome all thought this was a description of purgatory.

2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [45] But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Cor 15:29)

The Jews offered atonement and prayer for their deceased brethren, who had clearly violated Mosaic Law. Such a practice presupposes purgatory, since those in heaven wouldn’t need any help, and those in hell are beyond it.

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, “You fool!” shall be liable to the hell of fire.

St. Francis de Sales commented:

It is only the third sort of offence which is punished with hell; therefore in the judgment of God after this life there are other pains which are not eternal or infernal, — these are the pains of Purgatory. (The Catholic Controversy translated by Henry B. Mackey, Rockford, Illinois: TAN Books, 1989 [orig. 1596], 373)

Matthew 5:26 truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

The “prison” alluded to in verse 25 is purgatory, according to Tertullian, St. Cyprian, Origen, St. Ambrose, and St. Jerome, while the “penny” represents the most minor sins that one commits.

Matthew 12:32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

If this sin cannot be forgiven after death, it follows that there are others which can be, and this must be in purgatory: precisely the interpretation of St. Augustine, Pope St. Gregory the Great, the Venerable Bede, and St. Bernard, among others.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw – [13] each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.


This is a clear and obvious allusion to purgatory. Thus thought St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, Pope St. Gregory the Great, Origen, and St. Augustine, who wrote with his usual insight:

ecause it is said, he shall be saved, that fire is thought lightly of. For all that, though we should be saved by fire, yet will that fire be more grievous than anything that man can suffer in this life whatsoever. (Expositions on the Psalms, 38, 2)

Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. (cf. 12:1, 5-11, 15, 23, Eph 5:5; 1 Thess 4:3; 1 Jn 3:2-3)

Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman observed (as an Anglican):

Even supposing a man of unholy life were suffered to enter heaven, he would not be happy there; so that it would be no mercy to permit him to enter . . . There is a moral malady which disorders the inward sight and taste; and no man labouring under it is in a condition to enjoy what Scripture calls the fulness of joy in God’s presence, . . . (Sermon on this verse: “Holiness Necessary for Future Blessedness,” 1834)

Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

The abundance of scriptural evidence for purgatory led to a consensus among the Church fathers: summarized by Protestant church historian Philip Schaff:

These views of the middle state in connection with prayers for the dead show a strong tendency to the Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. (History of the Christian Church, vol. 2, “Ante-Nicene Christianity: A. D. 100-325,” 5th edition, New York: 1889; ch. 12, sec. 156, 604-606)

All this post proves is that the "fathers" of the Catholic denomination invented doctrine. There is no such thing as purgatory in Scripture! You can do a search for the word in any translation and it will come up empty. (The same thing holds true for "Catholic" and "Pope".)

Just because some men invent doctrine doesn't make it true.

 

[theefaith]

"Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death. Amen." The classic prayer to the dead!

What does it mean to say 3 Hail Marys?

It is known as the "Three Hail Mary Devotion," and consists of saying three times each day the Hail Mary with the invocation "O my Mother, preserve me this day (or night) from mortal sin." The prayer is said three times to honor the Most Blessed Trinity

amen! The ancient prayer of holy church

A new song!

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

It is really God who greeting Mary with the “Hail Mary”!
Lk 1:26 & Lk 1:45

Blessed art thou among all women! Lk 1:28 & Lk 1:45 & Lk 1:48

All generations shall call me blessed! Lk 1:48

A new song of thanksgiving for bringing our salvation!

And thanksgiving for the incarnation of Jesus Christ! The word was made flesh and dwelt among us thanks to Mary’s yes consenting to our salvation!

 

[theefaith]

Jn 11:25 says she is alive in Christ!

rev 12:1 glorified in heaven body and soul!

 

[theefaith]

Galatians 2:7-9, " On the contrary, when they saw that I was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised just as Peter was entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who empowered Peter for his apostleship to the circumcised also empowered me for my apostleship to the Gentiles) and when James, Cephas, and John, who had a reputation as pillars, recognized the grace that had been given to me, they gave to Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we would go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised."

This is what Scripture clearly says! Peter was entrusted with the gospel to the Jews only! If you disagree with that then you are in conflict with God's perfect word!

who is talking about being entrusted with the gospel?

For any person or purpose???

we are taking who has the jurisdictional authority of the key to administer the kingdom of Christ!

the supreme Roman pontiff! “Pastor”
Head of the church on earth
Vicar of Christ!

Peter Peter Peter!

 

[theefaith]

John 10:16 says nothing about "one church". It says "one flock and one shepherd". There is one body of Christ -- His people -- and one shepherd -- Jesus. To claim that this means the Catholic denomination is ridiculous!

All one has to do is read the epistles and the beginning of Revelation to realize there are many churches. The Catholic denomination is not "the one church"! It isn't mentioned anywhere in Scripture!

See my previous post #247 regarding Peter, the apostle to the Jews only.

no there is only one
new covenant
one kingdom
One body of Christ
One vineyard
One household of faith
One church

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Bible - which YOU claim to be our SOLE Authority teaches against factions/denominations (1 cor. 3:4-7).
It teaches that the Church is to remain ONE - as Jesus and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

Sooooo - why are there lliterally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestannt factions that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim to be part of the "ONE" Church?

Because the church is people and not a sect. Even Paul declared there must be divisions within the church, so the tried and true would stand out!

 

[Jim B]

rev 12:1 in heavenly glory

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, cos Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

Again (and again and again!)

Revelation 12:1-6, "Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was screaming in labor pains, struggling to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadem crowns. Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. So the woman gave birth to a son, a male child, who is going to rule over all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was suddenly caught up to God and to his throne, and she fled into the wilderness where a place had been prepared for her by God, so she could be taken care of for 1,260 days."

It's unfortunate that Scripture was divided into verses, as it leads to all kinds of misinterpretations.

If you accept verse 1 as actually applying to Mary (instead of accepting John's vision), then...

a) a huge red dragon swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth. This would have ended all life on earth, and it is nota attested anywhere else in Scripture.

and b) there is nothing in Scripture that says that Mary fled into the wilderness for 3.45 years. She, Joseph, and Jesus went to Egypt...

Matthew 2:13-15, "After they [the wise men] had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt, and stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to look for the child to kill him.” Then he got up, took the child and his mother during the night, and went to Egypt. He stayed there until Herod died. In this way what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet was fulfilled: “I called my Son out of Egypt.”

Like a parrot you keep repeating unScriptural nonsense over and over and over, hoping in vain that somebody will be stupid enough to believe you instead of God. Anybody in their right mind can see in no time that you have no idea of God's truth. You believe the lies of the Catholic denomination instead. May God have mercy on your unbelieving soul!!!