Bible alone question

[Marine0311]

Protestant fundamentalism Spiritual anarchy!

they are orphans: no mother Mary!

question:

Is Jesus Christ the king?

 

[Marine0311]

My mothers name was Margaret not Mary. Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings leaving no room for worshipping Mary,a pope,idols, human priests,and or false traditions.

 

[theefaith]

My mothers name was Margaret not Mary. Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings leaving no room for worshipping Mary,a pope,idols, human priests,and or false traditions.

who said anything about worship?

Mary is the spiritual mother of all Christians!


If Jesus is king did he establish a kingdom?

 

[Marine0311]

who said anything about worship?

Mary is the spiritual mother of all Christians!


If Jesus is king did he establish a kingdom?

 

[Marine0311]

Is that why RC’s pray to Mary, bow before her statue, and ask her to carry their petitions to her Son ? Yes, RC’s worship Mary and then call it veneration being the hypocrites that they are.

 

[theefaith]

Is that why RC’s pray to Mary, bow before her statue, and ask her to carry their petitions to her Son ? Yes, RC’s worship Mary and then call it veneration being the hypocrites that they are.

worship requires intent!

but you really hit when you said she carried our petitions to her son!

he is the royal king in the line of David!
Lk 1:32-33

In the line of David the mother of the king is queen and received he petitions and presents them to the king and intercedes for his subjects

1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Mary’s throne!

ONLY A KING AND A QUEEN SIT ON A THRONE!



All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30

Praise honor veneration and devotion redound to the Glory of God who created Mary immaculate Lk 1:49 as Christ source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17

Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

 

[Marine0311]

worship requires intent!

but you really hit when you said she carried our petitions to her son!

he is the royal king in the line of David!
Lk 1:32-33

In the line of David the mother of the king is queen and received he petitions and presents them to the king and intercedes for his subjects

1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Mary’s throne!

ONLY A KING AND A QUEEN SIT ON A THRONE!



All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30

Praise honor veneration and devotion redound to the Glory of God who created Mary immaculate Lk 1:49 as Christ source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17

Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

 

[Marine0311]

Mary cannot intercede for anyone, which is nothing more than more RC false tradition.

 

[Taken]

worship requires intent!

Mary’s throne!

ONLY A KING AND A QUEEN SIT ON A THRONE!

Mary all powerful advocate!

No intent? You fool yourself. You treat and solicit Mary equal with Christ Jesus. And many Catholics by their own word expressly say they worship Mary.

Your church commissions statues, erects statues supposedly of Mary, (guess a psychic knew what she looked like), kneel and bow down before such statues, pray “TO” Mary....

Mary’s body was born in sin like every other earthly human, She was to be remembered blessed by God. She received the Holy Spirit. Her bodily died, and was bodily left to rot or someone buried her body. Her saved soul and quickened spirit rose up to Heaven. She does not sit in a throne. She is not a Queen. She is neither mother nor wife of God.
She waits for her body to be resurrected like every other bodily dead, saved soul and quickened spirit, during the Rapture, to meet her Lord in the Air/Clouds. Then she along with every other member of Christ’s Church will reign with Christ for 1,000 years.

Not once does Scripture teach to Speak TO the Dead NOR Pray TO saints.
Every time you bow down before a (presumed statue of Mary), call out her Name, you are speaking to the Dead.

Hoodwinked.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Does a name identify what something specific is called?
What is Gods Truth Called? Jesus
What is Gods Life Called? Jesus
What is Gods Way Called? Jesus
What is Gods Power Called? Christ
What is Gods Wisdom Called? Christ
What is Gods Seed Called? Christ
What is Gods Son Called? Christ
What is the Son of Man Called? Jesus
What is Gods Lord Called? Holy, Son of God, Christ Jesus, Teacher, Master, Quickening Spirit, Savior, Deliverer, Rock, Truth, Power, Way, Life, Seed, Forgiver, Advocate, True Light, Same yesterday, today, tomorrow, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient.
What did God send His Lord to Earth to Sacrifice FOR mankind?
* Exclusively (in the Likeness As a Jewish Body), A body God prepared.
* A body God prepared with, Pure Holy FLESH and Pure Holy BLOOD.

Do you remember, Mary was told...His name shall be called Jesus, and He shall be called the Son of God?

Do you remember THE DAY, He was called the Son of God?

Acts 13:
[33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
(Baptized, age 30, THAT DAY begotten, and “shall be called” Son of God, “was manifested”)

Remember, Jesus OUR Example?
Remember the Day, after Pentecost, when all Jesus’ Disciples, His chosen, Others, men and women gathering, about 110 people, and they all THAT DAY becoming Baptized with the Holy Spirit, becoming MADE, “sons of God”?

Acts 2:
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Male, female, in one accord, (ie one heartful belief); Became Baptized by, with, of the Holy Spirit; thereafter the Holy Spirit with AND in them.
(And BTW no mention of Johns water Baptism).



Remember, Jesus IS the Word of God.
Remember, It was the Word of God, God SENT to Earth.
Remember, Gods Word IS Gods Truth.

You speaking your own word, via speech, comes forth out from you.
If your own word does not also remain IN you, YOUR OWN TRUTH, does not remain IN you.

No different with God. Gods Truth never Departs from God, no matter where God Sends His Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

I gather you disagree Taken, no problem sir. May I ask how many different Christs have been recorded among God's people?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Truth sets us free sin captures us and keeps us.

Would you agree Eloy, that it has to be applied truth? In other words truth only sets us free from sin if we apply it in our lives, truth being out there does nothing for those who choose not to apply it in their lives, correct?

 

[Taken]

I gather you disagree Taken, no problem sir.

Be specific, what you gather I am disagreeing with.

May I ask how many different Christs have been recorded among God's people.

False “Christ’s” have mingled “AMONG” God’s people for eons.

“The LORD’S people is Faithful ISRAEL”.
Primarily they still are waiting for their Christ Messiah to be sent to them. God shall accommodate during Gods Last Tribulation.
*two witness Hebrew teachers/preachers.
*144,000 sealed Tribesmen teachers/preachers.
* A lamb.

“The Lord’s people are ANY (Jew or Gentile) Converted IN Christ”.
They have ONE Christ, Lord Jesus. Are secure in their ONE Christ Lord Jesus, Gods Baptizing Lamb.

John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

 

[theefaith]

Mary cannot intercede for anyone, which is nothing more than more RC false tradition.

anyone in the communion of saints can perform intercession

Prayers and intercession of the saints!

Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25

The saints also make intercession!

1 Timothy 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[theefaith]

No intent? You fool yourself. You treat and solicit Mary equal with Christ Jesus. And many Catholics by their own word expressly say they worship Mary.

Your church commissions statues, erects statues supposedly of Mary, (guess a psychic knew what she looked like), kneel and bow down before such statues, pray “TO” Mary....

Mary’s body was born in sin like every other earthly human, She was to be remembered blessed by God. She received the Holy Spirit. Her bodily died, and was bodily left to rot or someone buried her body. Her saved soul and quickened spirit rose up to Heaven. She does not sit in a throne. She is not a Queen. She is neither mother nor wife of God.
She waits for her body to be resurrected like every other bodily dead, saved soul and quickened spirit, during the Rapture, to meet her Lord in the Air/Clouds. Then she along with every other member of Christ’s Church will reign with Christ for 1,000 years.

Not once does Scripture teach to Speak TO the Dead NOR Pray TO saints.
Every time you bow down before a (presumed statue of Mary), call out her Name, you are speaking to the Dead.

Hoodwinked.

Prayers and intercession of the saints!

Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25

The saints also make intercession!

1 Timothy 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[Jim B]

who said anything about worship?

Mary is the spiritual mother of all Christians!


If Jesus is king did he establish a kingdom?

a) Where in the Bible does it say that Mary is the spiritual mother of all Christians?
b) Jesus did establish His kingdom! Read your Bible!

BTW, Mary is no queen. She is dead.

 

[Taken]

Prayers and intercession of the saints!

Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25

The saints also make intercession!

1 Timothy 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Huge Difference Between:
PRAYING “FOR” saints, and PRAYING “TO” saints.

Huge Difference Between;
Heavenly saints “Collecting and Delivering” PRAYERS to God, and
Heavenly saints “Collecting, and then themselves PRAYING TO God to Answer the Prayers.”

Heavenly Saints, are Heavenly Servants of God;
(Paraphrasing...receive Gods mail, take it to Him.
* NOT receive Gods mail, read it, and then go ask God to answer His MAIL with YES God will do what the “mailman says”!

God does NOT answer EVERY PRAYER REQUEST!
And CERTAINLY not because a Heavenly Servant, makes decisions for God that GOD SHOULD answer EVERY MAIL REQUEST!

God is ALL KNOWING. HE knows what Prayer Requests He will and will not grant.

 

[Jim B]

anyone in the communion of saints can perform intercession

Prayers and intercession of the saints!

Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25

The saints also make intercession!

1 Timothy 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

"Saints" are the sanctified ones, i.e., all those in Christ. There is no special class of people among believers called "saints".

 

[Jim B]

Even though I have posted this before, it bears repeating...

A friend of mine who was once a Catholic described the RCC classification of certain people, especially dead ones, as ancestor worship. I agree 100% with this definition.

 

[Taken]

Prayers and intercession of the saints!

Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25

The saints also make intercession!

What saints?
Heavenly saints, whose station is to Serve God? Not men on earth.
Earthly saints, who are to PRAY FOR their brethren.
Brethren of Earthly saints, are other Earthly saints.
Earthly saints, to PRAY FOR Heavenly saints? (Why? Are they in jeopardy of losing their sainthood? Lol)

You should learn who is a saint and why and their role.
No one is directed to pray TO saints.

 

[Marine0311]

anyone in the communion of saints can perform intercession

Prayers and intercession of the saints!

Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25

The saints also make intercession!

1 Timothy 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Do you pray to everyone in the communion of saints ? If RC’s didn’t proof text scripture they would have no doctrines or doctrines.