Hidden In Him
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If you made this the only commandment of God, would you not be taking it out of context?
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If you made this the only commandment of God, would you not be taking it out of context?
Michiah-Imla
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The verse is plain and simple.
Like a road sign that warns against driving the “wrong way”.
There are many other road signs, but one does not need the context of the other signs to be provided safety by the one sign in sight.
Hidden In Him
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You'd be amazed how many people can take something rather simple and twist it into an exceedingly complicated heretical pretzel, Lol.
Michiah-Imla
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Sadly, you are correct.
But this shouldn’t discourage those of us who use the scriptures plainly (without polluting them with “study” help tools) from using them to correct.
“…for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.” (Exodus 20:25)
Hidden In Him
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Mmm... here you and I would likely disagree, depending on what you mean, though at least in this context we can do so without being in direct conflict with one another on a specific doctrine. But I'm a very strong proponent of rightly dividing the word based on exacting analysis of the original languages rather than simply trusting any one translation of the Bible into English (or any other modern language).
Here is your chance to PROVE it...Explain to me how the Song “Nothing But The Blood” , which is what I teach, is in error.....
According to you...As I say, let the reader decide....both points of view are out there..l.
God was testing their FAITH and they failed miserably...Those who lacked the Courage, based on God's Promise , to enter the Promised Land were “Forsaken” by God —- left to languish in the desert and die In misery with NONE of the Blessings that God Longed to bestow upon them....
In my opinion, These Doubters Of God “languished” , But were not “Lost”..... they got “SAVED” by the “ Blood Of the Lamb” ( just like us! ) way back in Egypt on the Night Of Passover...
I believe it’s a picture of those that have enough Faith to get Saved , but when “ Crunch Time” comes around, they believe what they “see” as opposed to what God has “ Said” in His Word( “we walk NOT after Sight”) ......When one refuses to “REST” in a Promise Of God , there is a price to be paid.....the Jews found it out the hard way....”Weak” and “Beggarly” and “ Cowardly” Believers today live their entire lives under curses that they are not even aware of....Saved, but with no Victory, no Assurance and no Joy.....
Hebrews 3 and 4 is all about these types that refuse to REST in God’s Promises....He compares those that don’t Rest in the Gospel to the Jews that did not enter the Promised Land...
He declared that they were “ disobedient” and guilty of “Unbelief”—— and so Are You If you fail to REST....The GOSPEL ( 1Cir15:1-4) is a Promise Of God to Eternally Save Those That Simply Believe it ....If you TRULY Believe it, you will REST in it....That “Resting”, Excludes Any “ADDING” to it ( Additions like The Gospel Saves, But ya gotta Repent Of ALL of your sins before you die or the Gospel Saves But you cant commit a willful sin after you get Saved or you are OUTTA HERE! ) Make ANY Additions to Paul’s Gospel and you will “Fall from Grace” as the Jews did.....
I don't think that the Cowardly Jews of Ancient Times were any more “Lost” than the Believers Of today that are too “ weak” and “ cowardly” to “Let go and Let God” fulfill His Unbreakable Promises...I say this with the full knowledge that I could be Mistaken about this.....Many excellent Teachers of God’s Word say the Unbelieving Jews of that day were damned and “ Falling from Grace “ is tantamount to Damnation...
Anybody that adheres to Catholic Theology with their unabashed policies of Works that at least they don’t even “try” to hide, and 90% of Protestant Churches that Proclaim, “ Jesus Saves—- BUT!” are no better than they are....
If the people we have been discussing here are Lost,as opposed to just Living out a cursed, Beggarly life here in Earth, that “ Narrow Gate” sure becomes a LOT MORE “Narrow”, doesn't it? ....
You sadly Confuse “ Pride” with “ CONFIDENCE” —- it’s a synonym for “ FAITH” .....and I “ HAVE IT” ....God LOVES it too! As a matter of Fact, He desires to see it so badly ,He will actually SAVE YOU if you have it!
God hates it when we sin....but he Loves it when we do what He says to do about it—- which is to go to His “ Throne Of Grace” with “ Confidence” —— a “ Confidence” that is so strong it actually becomes “ BOLDNESS!”..... God knows that one’s “ Boldness” is in Direct Proportion to ones Trust in the Blood Of His Son......
By contrast, I’d wager that you approach that same Throne ( If you are even aware of its existence) With Whimpering and fear...that’s the big Down- Side when you Trust in your Works instead of Grace .....you could really use a “ Throne Of Works”..... there you could find “ Boldness” —- it’s where your Heart is....
Ferris Bueller
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No, I'm not confusing them. Nothing wrong with confidence in Christ. It's your arrogance that's the problem:
"20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly notg spare you either." Romans 11:20-21
I am aware that your OSAS beliefs have taught you to not be able to see what I just quoted. But to the point, I was addressing your narcissism; your unwillingness to be corrected; your desperate need to be superior. We're way beyond the right to have an opinion about this. You're staring right into the face of plain scripture about the necessity to keep believing to be saved but you're arrogantly refusing to be corrected about them. Heed Paul's teaching: "Don't be arrogant, but be afraid."
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Ferris Bueller
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You can't be saved and not continue to believe at the same time. The Bible is very clear about this. That clears up any supposed conflict of views in the Bible. Trying to make those clear passages fit into your Freegrace OSAS beliefs is the very definition of twisting scripture to one's own destruction. You'd be better off going back to the original OSAS belief that said if you don't continue to believe you were never really saved in the first place. At least it defended the obvious necessity to be a believer to be saved.
Ferris Bueller
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Oh, by the way, that's not how it works. Once again after being told over and over and over that I do not subscribe to this theology you insist on saying I do. What's wrong with you?
Ferris Bueller
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Can't you see that you've changed the definition of "never leave you nor forsake you" from that of losing your salvation to that of not losing your salvation when God actually does it? Here, let me illustrate your inconsistency:
"6Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you (you will never be unsaved).” Deuteronomy 31:6
"They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. 17And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them (you only lose blessings)" Deuteronomy 31:16-17
"They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. 17And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them (you only lose blessings)" Deuteronomy 31:16-17
According to you "he will never leave you nor forsake you" means you can't be unsaved, but when he actually does forsake you now it only means loss of blessing. You aren't being consistent with your definition of being forsaken.
@Michiah-Imla While Bible notes can be helpful, yet care should be taken not to elevate the notes above the actual wording of Scripture itself.
No,
"Behold" has not told you that. That is your misunderstanding.
Listen, all the born again are IN "Discipleship:< and that is our daily faith walk.
We are to approach everything we do in our discipleship with Faith.
We Pray with faith....
But that is not the same as not understanding that God has given you salvation, = which is not kept by "believing".
Its kept by GOD, who is "faithful to complete it"..... Philippians 1:6.
Listen... Jesus is Salvation, not faith.
So, if you have Jesus in you, then that means you are born again and that is a STATUS. = Son of God.
Its has HAPPENED.
Its DONE.
You dont keep believing to stay a Son of God, because you have been BORN ONE, by God's Spirit.
You dont keep believing for what God has already CAUSED.
Being born again is not a process, its a BIRTH.......>Happens ONCE.....Done.
So, when you are trying to stay saved, by faith, and God has already saved you, ONCE< when He accepted your faith.... then if you are still trying to STAY there, when you are already THERE...... then that is the wrong understanding of becoming a Son of God.
That's what im trying to get you to see in 100 posts.
BORN AGAIN, is a finished situation.
You dont keep believing to get it, as if you are born again you have it., it has become who you are, in Christ....Spiritually.
There is no ending it., as you cant stop being born again.
The only thing you can ruin by a faith issue, is to "fall from Grace", and if your faith is like that, then you have become "in the Flesh"., which means you are trying to keep yourself saved., and that is Legalism.
If you have dead faith, then that is a different situation, as in that case you are backslidden, a backslider.....you are now under the full control of the carnal mind, and you're owned, mentally again, by the devil., living in pleasure with the conscience turned off.
This is where the problems really start, as now your in dead faith, back in the world, and hell will break loose in your life.
How to get out of that?
"Its The goodness of God that will lead you to repentance".
Ferris Bueller
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You keep believing to keep it. You remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life IF you LET the word remain in you. You say you remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life if you don't let the word of God remain in you. That's a direct contradiction of scripture. There's no reason to go any further with this. You're wrong. You directly contradict 1 John 2:24-25.
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Ferris Bueller
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We don't need your 100 posts to see that you contradict plain scripture. You say you remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life if you don't let the word of God remain in you. That's a direct contradiction of 1 John 2:24-25. You don't need to say any more. The scriptures are right. You are wrong.
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Ferris Bueller
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The mistake you're making is to insist this person is somehow still saved/born again during this time of unbelief. The scriptures are very clear - the person in whom the word does not remain is not saved. Can they come back? Maybe. That's up to God. He's knows the circumstances and whether or not he will allow it.
Ferris Bueller
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I personally would never dissuade anyone from coming back to faith in Christ if that's what they wanted.
You say there is no cross risen yet.
You say they have no Holy Spirit in them.
And yet, persons were ALWAYS saved...even in the OT.
So what does it matter if the cross was not yet and there is no risen Christ?
I think there may be 3 persons on this thread that may be able to answer this.
Can you?
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