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Ferris Bueller

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What is the proper way of meeting with believers??
Open fellowship/discussion under the guidance and protection of the gifted leadership of the church. 1 Corinthians 14:26-31

Christians come to forums because the church has rejected 1 Corinthians 14:26-31. They come here to get what God intended our church meetings would provide, but don't:

"31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged." vs. 31
 

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Well according to Paul they are not beyond receiving salvation. Some of the most prominent Christians are Jewish.

How does your point relate to the verse Jer 32:40 which spoke of the New Covenant to come ???

Jer 32:40 “I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

Gal 4:21 - 24 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.

I would like to comment on the verse, and the OP.

First it is important to actually know Jesus Christ. He is the King of the Kingdom of God! He is also the Word of God who was in the beginning with God and who is God. And He explained that His sheep hear His voice.

Now whatever a King says - it is law!! So when Paul was writing " do you not listen to the Law?" to the Galatians He was asking if they actually listened to Jesus Christ as the King - and would we think of the Galatians as being a bunch of Jewish people? Were they not considered gentiles? So being sons of Abraham, who listen to and knew the Lord, is about listening to and knowing the Lord not your physical heritage!!! Or do we still not understand the spiritual nature of things?

It is not sons of the flesh, as in the physically related offspring of Abraham, but the sons of the Spirit of God who are the true off-spring of God. And so is the work of God focus on who we tend to call Jewish, or on all people?


Jn 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Jn 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

So if you truly believe in Jesus Christ no one will be able to snatch you our of His hands. But what if your faith is not actually in Jesus Christ?

We as BIBLE believers

So what are we "Christians"? Are we Bible believer's or believers in Jesus Christ? Do we listen to the Law, or are we about reading the Law?

My Lord once told me, "Karl, I am God of whole world, the whole universe, the whole everything, but especially the who
le world! Always remember that!"

Yes - God set aside a people, the offspring of Abraham who did listen to Him and thus knew Him, so He could use them as an example for the rest of the world. Yet they are still just people, like the rest of us! He loves them, but as God of everything, He loves everyone and wishes the none should perish!! They (the Jewish people) were and are used by Him to show how people are verses how He is. So is His purpose to save them or to kill them? God still wishes that all should come to know the Son and be saved, but not all do!

He told the Jews, as recorded in the Bible:

Jn 5:39:40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

So, they could have told themselves, "We as BIBLE believers", yet their searching the Scriptures did not actually lead to hearing from Him, even though Moses who wrote Scripture explained that the word was near them and that they needed to listen to Him. Still, at the mountain they said, "Let not God speak to us"

Those of the promise (be them Jew or Gentile) don't say "Let not God speak to us" but instead they listen to the Lord like Abraham did! If you indeed listen to Him, you have things you heard from Him. Things like:

"THE BEST LISTENERS MAKE THE BEST TEACHERS."

Now how can you completely stop listening to Him after you started listening to Him, when He tells you such interesting things? Oh you can get mad at Him, because things don't go as you thing, but honestly hearing from Him is like the ad slogan saying you can't eat just one. The fact is that if you start listening to Him you are going to keep turning back to Him. You can leave religion. You might even get upset enough to turn away from Him for a season. But even that takes great effort once you actually get to know Him, because He keeps showing up trying to get you into a conversation with Him.

So who writes about being Bible believer's when they know Him. It is clearly about believing in Him. And who doesn't understand that He is God of everything, so it is "whoever believes in Him" not Jew or Gentile!

I sat and prayed the Lord's prayer this morning 'Our Father...' and listened afterwards. The Father spoke to me asking me to go on the forum and remind people of what He said, and He specifically reminded me, “This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!”. People, the Father points to His Son and tells us (Jew and Gentile alike) and says listen to Him! And Jesus explained that He sheep hear His voice! The true offspring of Abraham are those who like Abraham, listen to the Word of God (Jesus Christ) and believe He is the Lord! And any person can do that, but not everyone is willing! But if anyone opens up to Him they will be saved, and He will keep them, because after you start hearing from Him by faith, you will understand that He is always there knocking and you are going to turn back to Him and open up to Him again and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and ........................................................................
 

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By believe I mean that a person is following Christ.
With his mind and spirit.

Following Christ is not proof you are a Child of God.
You have to be born again, into the Spirit of God, by God's Holy Spirit, to be a child of God.

Let me show you some hell bound, followers of Christ.

"lord, have we not cast out DEMONS in YOUR NAME"?

See those followers??

Jesus says. "" Depart from Me, i never knew YOU".

Why didnt Jesus know them, when they called Him LORD, and used His NAME?

Its because "you must be born again" to be KNOWN by God and Christ, as these "followers" were not.
 

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The idea of OSAS is confusing indeed.

This set of letters....>"OSAS", is only used by deceived Christ rejecting Legalists, who have no faith in Christ to get them to heaven.
So, just ignore these liars, who live on Forums to post about "OSAS", and have no other reason to exist, on a Forum.

Here is how to understand what God has done for you, if you are a believer, and are born again.

He has forgiven you, all you sin, and He now lives in you, and God will be faithful to COMPLETE Your Salvation.

Philippians 1:6
 

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If you believe, you're born again.
If you don't believe, you're not.
Simple.

Its just that simple.

God said....>You take my SON, into your heart by Faith, and i take you into my Family by SPIRITUAL BIRTH, forever.

"all that call on the Lord shall BE saved"...... "BE" means, "instantly". = "born again"
 

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I understand. No church has the spiritual guts to obey 1 Corinthians 5 these days. Even the 'apostles' of the Catholic church reject it. I guess that's what giving apostolic spiritual license to an unaccountable body of leaders gets 'ya.
Lol....OK! o_O
 

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That is exactly what I'm saying. Justified means to, both, be made righteous, and to be seen as righteous. Paul is talking about being MADE righteous by receiving the righteousness that comes from God through your faith, not your works (Romans 10:3, Philippians 3:9). James is talking about being SHOWN to be righteous, your works showing that you have been made righteous by faith (James 2:18).

It's an antiquated word. I'm guessing that's why we don't understand how Paul and James are not in contradiction to each other. But a simple dictionary search shows it's various meanings and uses (justify) and that Paul and James are not contradicting each other but are addressing two different aspects of justification. In the link, James is using the word per the 1st definition. Paul is using the word per the 2nd definition. In a genuine salvation experience, a person is justified according to both definitions of the word, not just Paul's definition. And that is the important point about all this. Most Christians, it seems, think justification does not have to wash in how you behave, just as long as you've been made legally righteous by God. But you can't have Paul's justification without James' justification. That is what the church does not understand.
But even paul talked about doing good . Look at what he tells timothy .
IF any provides not , specially for those of his own household , HE HAS ACTUALLY DENIED THE FAITH and is WORSE than EVEN AN INFIDEL .
James nor paul contradicted one another . Folks just want to believe JAMES was wrong . AND YET they dont even watch how dire
on warings that PUAL himself was . TIS CALLED CHERRY PICKING . BUT LAMBS EAT OF ALL THEM HOLY WORDS .
 

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Why are the 'apostles' of the Catholic church disobedient to the Apostle Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 14:26-31, and 1 Corinthians 5?
And many other things they disobey in as well . THAT MY FRIEND is WHY with all my being i refuse to enter into the chambers of her harlot house .
WE must stay planted in bibles . MEN are gonna do as they will , but all the lambs can do is POINT to the TRUTH and the AUTHOR OF said TRUTH .
 

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Its just that simple.

God said....>You take my SON, into your heart by Faith, and i take you into my Family by SPIRITUAL BIRTH, forever.

"all that call on the Lord shall BE saved"...... "BE" means, "instantly". = "born again"

Amen.
 

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Why are the 'apostles' of the Catholic church disobedient to the Apostle Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 14:26-31, and 1 Corinthians 5?
Thanks for your opinion. Do you have any facts to back it up?

Curious Mary
 

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Thanks for your opinion. Do you have any facts to back it up?

Curious Mary
You said you could not take me seriously anymore for expressing the need to obey 1 Corinthians 5. So you tell me why 1 Corinthians 5 (and 1 Corinthians 14:26-31) are not obeyed by the Catholic church. Are they, also, not to be taken seriously along with me for thinking that it should be, or do they not think Paul's counsel should be obeyed? Which is it?
 
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You said you could not take me seriously anymore for expressing the need to obey 1 Corinthians 5. So you tell me why 1 Corinthians 5 (and 1 Corinthians 14:26-31) are not obeyed by the Catholic church. Are they, also, not to be taken seriously along with me for thinking that it should be, or do they not think Paul's counsel should be obeyed? Which is it?
You have made the accusation that 1 Corinthians 5 and 1 Corinthians 14:26-31 are not obeyed by the Catholic church. Do you have any facts to back it up? It's a simple question based on your accusation. Usually when someone makes an accusation against someone they have facts to back it up. You have yet to present any.
 

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You have made the accusation that 1 Corinthians 5 and 1 Corinthians 14:26-31 are not obeyed by the Catholic church. Do you have any facts to back it up? It's a simple question based on your accusation. Usually when someone makes an accusation against someone they have facts to back it up. You have yet to present any.
Don't play games. The Catholic Mass is hardly following 1 Corinthians 14:26-31, not even remotely. And you're the one who pooh poohed my church discipline suggestion.
 
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Don't play games. The Catholic Mass is hardly following 1 Corinthians 14:26-31, not even remotely. And you're the one who pooh poohed my church discipline suggestion.
Asking someone for evidence of their accusation is not a game. The game is making false accusations and not backing them up with facts. It's called an opinion...Thank you for your opinion.

Mary
 

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Asking someone for evidence of their accusation is not a game. The game is making false accusations and not backing them up with facts. It's called an opinion...Thank you for your opinion.

Mary
Okay, I understand - the Catholics do not submit to the counsel of Apostle Paul concerning 1 Corinthians 5 and 1 Corinthians 14:26-31. I'm talking to you, an authority, and you aren't setting me straight about it, so I have no reason to conclude that I am not correct in my "opinion".
 

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Following Christ is not proof you are a Child of God.
You have to be born again, into the Spirit of God, by God's Holy Spirit, to be a child of God.

Let me show you some hell bound, followers of Christ.

"lord, have we not cast out DEMONS in YOUR NAME"?

See those followers??

Jesus says. "" Depart from Me, i never knew YOU".

Why didnt Jesus know them, when they called Him LORD, and used His NAME?

Its because "you must be born again" to be KNOWN by God and Christ, as these "followers" were not.

Yes - following Christ is a clear sign that you are a child of God!!!

Simply because to follow Christ you must hear from Him!!

And being born again mean you hear the sound of the wind (Holy Spirit)

Jesus explained that His sheep hear His voice, that He leads them out with His voice.

The problem is that many say they are born again and don't understand that mean hearing from the Holy Spirit which brings words to our spirit!!

A person like that might indeed try to cast our demons in the name of Jesus Christ, but not according to the personal instructions given them by following Jesus Christ!

A person like that might also think they are born again, which would explain them trying to cast out demons in His name without actually getting instructions to do that! In fact a person who is not actually born again but just saying they are might come up with all kinds of religious sounding statements based on their own understanding. Yet one thing they won't do is try to actually get to you to seek the voice of the Lord for instructions so you might actually follow those instructions you personally get from Him!!

They won't do that because they don't do that, simply because they don't do that!

To a person like that following Jesus Christ means reading the Bible and or what they have heard other people say, then they go about leaning on their own understanding, and thus present themselves as the expert as opposed to sincerely trying to get people to actually seek the voice our Lord Jesus Christ

People - His sheep do hear His voice, that small voice which we tend to find on our hearts, because it is His Holy Spirit bring His words to our spirit. Being born again means you hear the sound of the "wind" meaning the Holy Spirit bringing you those words. Jesus leads His sheep out with His voice, which again is His Holy Spirit speaking His words to you! Thus you get personal instructions from Him, which is what makes His your Lord, and you follow those instructions, which is what it mean to follow Him!!

Leaning on your own understanding, be it casting out demons by saying "in the name of Jesus' without getting personal instructions is not following Him or saying you are "born again" when you don't actually hear the sound of the Holy Spirit giving you instructions, is not following Him!

I can tell what following Him is like. It is like getting up in the morning, spending time talking to Him when you soon have to get going to a place where you buy inventory for your business, then you get the instruction to go to the forum to write. You do that, and follow that instruction for His, because He is your Lord, then you quickly get moving on to the business because He also specifically told you to open and run that business. So that all you are doing comes from actually hearing your Lord Jesus Christ and following His instructions!
 
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If somebody is an Elvis fan, they're never going to wake up one morning and think "I don't like him any more".
Likewise how on earth could any christian wake up one morning and think "I don't like Jesus any more"?
 
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Reader..

Think about this....

How could you believe that God who saved you, (Philippians 1:6) = keeps you saved, ...and not love Him MORE< ... then if you believe that you can lose your salvation and have NO FATIH that God keeps you saved . ???

Reader, if you believe that you can lose your salvation, then you are literally believing that God's Grace is only as good as you are...
And if you were good, you would not need God's Salvation to begin with, Reader.

If you believe as you should, and as the Bible teaches, that Jesus's blood atonement has resolved ALL you sin, = todays, tomorrows, yesterdays.....then you WILL love Him more, then if you are wrongly taught that Jesus only started your salvation, and now its up to YOU< to deal with your sin...ect.

See that Bondage?
Its mental and spiritual BONDAGE to believe that you can lose your salvation, or believe that you have to KEEP it, of yourself.
Its FREEDOM "In Christ" to know that the Salvation of God, once applied, is YOUR ETERNAL LIFE< and Eternal Life is not temporary, or based on your behavior.

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Jesus once explained WHY a Whore was washing His feet with her hair and tears....
He said...."she has been forgiven much"..

So, this WHORE's love for Christ, is like a true believer's love, who understands that all sin is forgiven, and they are Kept saved by God, through Christ.

vs.

The person who is trying to keep themselves saved, or from going to hell.
See that person? They have not been forgiven as much.........as the WHORE....as the True Believer.....
Yet they have,..... but they dont understand God's Grace, or can't accept it, or worse, they want to pretend that their works are needed by God, as this is their PRIDE that pretends to be their Faith in Christ.
 
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If somebody is an Elvis fan, they're never going to wake up one morning and think "I don't like him any more".
Likewise how on earth could any christian wake up one morning and think "I don't like Jesus any more"?
I don't know. Ask Behold. He's the one who says you can do that, even go back to a willful rejection of Christ in conscious unbelief and since you are born again you remain saved/ born again despite your rejection of Christ in unbelief. In his theology Jesus' sheep don't listen to his voice and do follow strangers but remain his born again sheep.
 
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