Once Saved, Always Saved?

[farouk]

So one cannot lose eternal life / salvation.

Romans 8.38-39 is very assuring to the believer.

 

[farouk]

My thought gleaned from my understanding of the word of God.

When we repent ,have a 180 turn in our heart and mind, confess that Jesus is saviour and Lord,we receive the covering of HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS ! This is a positional sanctification and justification.
As we feast from the word we take of the milk of the word to build strong bones as our foundation is Christ and we must be as a child before him.
Then as we seek ,study and pray deeper in our understanding of the word by the Spirit, we continue to become stronger at resisting sin, and growth happens. This is progressive sanctification and will continue until we are glorified and the corruptible has put on an incorruptible heavenly body at his coming.
Then we have passed from death unto eternal life!
Progressive sanctification is a continuum until glorification !

It's a glorious transaction, from death unto life, for time and for eternity: this is eminently Biblical.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

“Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11)


And with this simple warning, all of these people went on to be as Sinless as Jesus......yeah, right....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It’s not a “work in progress”.

God tells you to BE perfect.

You cannot BE something that cannot be obtained at the time of the instruction.

Your confusion forces you to live a Lie....
Your “ Perfection”.....Your “ Holiness” and Your “ Righteousness”are things “ IMPUTED” to you when you become a Believer ....

In your heart - Of - hearts, you MUST know that you are not perfect and not even “ Close” to Perfect unless you are a complete Nut!

 

[farouk]

Your confusion forces you to live a Lie....
Your “ Perfection”.....Your “ Holiness” and Your “ Righteousness”are things “ IMPUTED” to you when you become a Believer ....

In your heart - Of - hearts, you MUST know that you are not perfect and not even “ Close” to Perfect unless you are a complete Nut!

Philippians 1.6 is relevant: 'He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ".

 

[Ezra]

“Iron sharpeneth iron” (Proverbs 27:17)

But:

“If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct.” (Ecclesiastes 10:10)

Be blessed!

there is NO BUTS TO IT your mind is blinded with junk to the point you can not see . you cant answer any of the questions i asked you. so it proves you dont know. which means as far as i am concerned case closed so until you answer. i wall no longer reply

 

[Michiah-Imla]

there is NO BUTS TO IT your mind is blinded with junk to the point you can not see .

My mind is clear by uncorrupted/unleavened scriptures. I can see clearly.

“Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.” (Psalms 119:105)

you cant answer any of the questions i asked you. so it proves you dont know.

I answered your reasonable questions. As for not answering all of your silly OSAS questions - it just proves that I’m really not interested in going around circles with a sectarian.

My posts sufficiently show evidence out the scriptures that refute OSAS. But since you have sat under OSAS teachers for so long you are the one who have become blinded from the truth, not me. You got all the silly OSAS “gotcha” questions memorized.

 

[mailmandan]

“Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11)

And with this simple warning, all of these people went on to be as Sinless as Jesus......yeah, right....

I've seen people abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 in order to teach "sinless perfection." Yet Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’d like you to meet these two “legalists” then:

Jesus said:
“Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

Paul said:
“shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.” (Romans 6:15)


“Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)

If you think you are sinless. I have some prime real estate to sell you!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:” (1 John 2:1)

We have the advocate for that sinner among us who might not be saved.

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)

WE are believers.

Not unbelievers. John included himself. that's why he said WE

 

[Ezra]

WE are believers.

Not unbelievers. John included himself. that's why he said WE

its obvious his mind is closed i am through casting my pearls before the swine.....

 

[Michiah-Imla]

If you think you are sinless. I have some prime real estate to sell you!!

So Jesus doesn’t take away our sins then?

Which is it?

And if Jesus does take away all sins (which he does), why would you rack up new sins? Don’t you appreciate what your Lord did for you on the cross?

You must take up your cross and follow him!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48)

Jesus was telling these Jews. Who were under law. and thought they were righteous according to the law. The standard they had to love if they wanted to earn their way..

Be perfect as your father is perfect.

He told them that to try to help them to see they have not met that standard. and get them to seek Christ. Sadly, as we know. Many of them never got the message and they crucified Christ.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

its obvious his mind is closed i am through casting my pearls before the swine.....

Peace be unto you.

May the truth be revealed to which ever of us is in error.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Eternally Grateful

Jesus was speaking to anyone who had ears to hear. The “he was speaking to the Jews” tactic is just a cunning way to eliminate scripture that is hostile to man made doctrine.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It’s not a “work in progress”.

God tells you to BE perfect.

You cannot BE something that cannot be obtained at the time of the instruction.

Again, this is out of context

He told these jews. WHo thought they had no sin because they obeyed the law. after just destroying their thinking by saying the law says, but I tell you. and holding up all that is true. what Gods standard is..'BE PERFECT"

Thats the standard, and no one had met it, inspite of them thinking they had

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So Jesus doesn’t take away our sins then?

Which is it?

And if Jesus does take away all sins (which he does), why would you rack up new sins? Don’t you appreciate what your Lord did for you on the cross?

You must take up your cross and follow him!

If God appeared for you today. You would fall on your face. Because you KNOW you are not sinless. why you hide it is beyond me

Jesus took the penalty of sin away.

sinless perfection would require perfect love 24/7, The only man I have ever seen or heard of that accomplished that was Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful

Jesus was speaking to anyone who had ears to hear. The “he was speaking to the Jews” tactic is just a cunning way to eliminate scripture that is hostile to man made doctrine.

instead of attacking me, read the passage

Dont take a verse out of context and try to push that verse down peoples throats without going into the passage to get context. That verse is the ending of the sermon on the mount.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, Amen! Before I was converted I had sin. And if I claimed to have no sin the truth indeed was not in me and I was deceived.

But I confessed my sin, so:

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

So I am cleansed from all unrighteousness!



No, because:

“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)

wait. John spoke in present tense, Not past tense.

If we say we have (at this present time) no sin we decieve ourselves.

 

[farouk]

wait. John spoke in present tense, Not past tense.

If we say we have (at this present time) no sin we decieve ourselves.

@Eternally Grateful John's First Epistle is full of assurance for the true believer....