A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

[jaybird]

ABSOLUTELY test and examine with precision.

and if they refuse to answer and run from your questions you usually know they are full of it

 

[APAK]

Hello @jaybird happy to see you post again. Reading a lot of desperation in the words of trinitarians again who as usual ignore and deflect from the fact that Christ Jesus has a Father, God Almighty, who created (begat) him, with Mary.

 

[Rich R]

Hello @jaybird happy to see you post again. Reading a lot of desperation in the words of trinitarians again who as usual ignore and deflect from the fact that Christ Jesus has a Father, God Almighty, who created (begat) him, with Mary.

Not only does Jesus have a Father, but he also has a God! The same God we all have.

John 20:17,

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
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Maybe we should be worshiping that god. I mean if Jesus is God and he has a God...well, let people draw their own conclusions on that one! Me? I'm just going to say Jesus was the son of God like the scriptures declare many times. Since a son can't be his own father, we can ascertain that Jesus is not God and we don't have to figure out who God's God is. The web Trinitarians weave is beyond belief.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

ABSOLUTELY test and examine with precision.
There is only one way to do this: Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Amen! and, also these Precision Bible study Rules!

GRACE And Peace...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Reading a lot of desperation in the words of trinitarians

No, there is NO desparation! Simply going By ALL Of God's HOLY Scriptures,
And believing THEM!!:

160 Scriptural Reasons JESUS Is Almighty God! Amen?

GRACE And Peace...

 

[David in NJ]

and if they refuse to answer and run from your questions you usually know they are full of it

or maybe they just don't know what the Scripture says from Genesis thru to Revelation

 

[Keiw]

Keiw, keep in mind that from the Beginning/Genesis, God is not singular as the word for God is Elohim which is plural and literally means Gods.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth."
God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1d) gods 2)

This is where all understanding Begins = all THREE are present in the Beginning.

Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the surface of the waters. And Elohim said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness" = 3x Plurality of Elohim

I looked Elohim up--Never plural for the true living God in the Hebrew language.

Let us= YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker of Prov 8. Who is the being God sent and was named Jesus as a mortal. It was not God speaking at Prov 8.-- Yes gods small g= false triune gods being served back in the ot days.

 

[Keiw]

Abraham was sent forth by the LORD
Moses was sent forth by the LORD
Elijah was sent forth by the LORD

JESUS the only begotten of the FATHER = No one else came from the FATHER = except the HOLY SPIRIT

the Gospel is FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT = no one else and not ONE less

Before Me no god was formed,
and after Me none will come.
I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me - Isaiah 43:10-11

Every spot-LORD all capitols= YHWH(Jehovah)--- There was no other savior when Isaiah was written. Jesus didnt become savior until he died a perfect existence as a mortal and opened the door to all mortals to gain eternal life.

 

[David in NJ]

I looked Elohim up--Never plural for the true living God in the Hebrew language.

Let us= YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker of Prov 8. Who is the being God sent and was named Jesus as a mortal. It was not God speaking at Prov 8.-- Yes gods small g= false triune gods being served back in the ot days.

Absolutely Elohim is plural = use a Real Bible and use Strongs Concordance

 

[David in NJ]

Every spot-LORD all capitols= YHWH(Jehovah)--- There was no other savior when Isaiah was written. Jesus didnt become savior until he died a perfect existence as a mortal and opened the door to all mortals to gain eternal life.

No Savior when Isaiah was written??? - Yo are being lied to my friend.

 

[tigger 2]

Absolutely Elohim is plural = use a Real Bible and use Strongs Concordance

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ELOHIM - Plural 'God'

Many trinitarian apologists will tell us that the Hebrew word for God (Elohim) is plural because it shows that God is a trinity. For example:

"Among Trinitarian Christian writers it is [often] seen as evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity, a plurality in the Godhead." - Theopedia, "Elohim."
......................................................

That the Hebrew plural is often used for a singular noun to denote “a ‘plural’ of majesty or excellence” is well-known by all Biblical Hebrew language experts and has been known from at least the time of Gesenius (1786-1842), who is still regarded as one of the best authorities for Biblical Hebrew!

Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament (“long regarded as a standard work for students”), p. 49, shows that elohim, (“God/gods”) is sometimes used in a numerically plural sense for angels, judges, and false gods. But it also says,

“The plural of majesty [for elohim], occurs, on the other hand, more than two thousand times.” And that elohim when used in that sense “occurs in a [numerically] singular sense” and is “constr[ucted] with a verb ... and adjective in the singular.”

Gesenius - Kautzsch’s Hebrew Grammar, 1949 ed., pp. 398, 399, says:
“The pluralis excellentiae or maiestatis ... is properly a variety of the abstract plural, since it sums up the several characteristics belonging to the idea, besides possessing the secondary sense of an intensification of the original idea. It is thus closely related to the plurals of amplification .... So, especially Elohim ... ‘God’ (to be distinguished from the plural ‘gods’, Ex. 12:12, etc.) .... That the language has entirely rejected the idea of numerical plurality in Elohim (whenever it denotes one God) is proved especially by its being almost invariably joined with a singular attribute.”

Peloubet’s Bible Dictionary, 1925 ed. Pg. 224:

Elohim "is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God."

More modern publications (trinitarian Protestant and Catholic) also make similar acknowledgments of the intended plural of majesty or excellence meaning for elohim. (See the New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. v., p. 287.)

Nelson’s Expository Dictionary of the Old Testament, describes elohim:
“The common plural form ‘elohim,’ a plural of majesty.” - Unger and White, 1980, p. 159.

Pluralis Majestatis: Biblical Hebrew
"The term ‘majestic plural’ or pluralis majestatis refers to the use of a plural word to refer honorifically to a single person or entity. It is also called the ‘plural of respect’, the ‘honorific plural’, the ‘plural of excellence’, or the ‘plural of intensity’. In the Hebrew Bible such plural forms are most commonly used when referring to the God of Israel, e.g., adonim ‘I am a master (lit. ‘masters’)’ (Mal. 1.6), although it can also be used when referring to a human, e.g., abraham adonaw ‘Abraham his master (lit. ‘masters’)’ (Gen. 24.9), an object, e.g. gibroteka ‘your grave (lit. ‘graves’)’ (2 Kgs 22.20), ...." - ENCYCLOPEDIA OF HEBREW LANGUAGE AND LINGUISTICS, p. 145, vol. 3, 2013.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says:
“It is characteristic of Heb[rew] that extension, magnitude, and dignity, as well as actual multiplicity, are expressed by the pl[ural].” - Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1984 ed., Vol. II, p. 1265.

Today’s Dictionary of the Bible, 1982, Bethany House Publishers, written by trinitarian scholars, says of elohim:
“Applied to the one true God, it is the result in the Hebrew idiom of a plural magnitude or majesty. When applied to the heathen gods, angels, or judges ..., Elohim is plural in sense as well as form.” - p. 208.

The famous trinitarian scholar, Robert Young, (Young’s Analytical Concordance and Young’s Literal Translation of the Bible) wrote in his Young’s Concise Critical Commentary, p. 1,
“Heb. elohim, a plural noun ... it seems to point out a superabundance of qualities in the Divine Being rather than a plurality of persons .... It is found almost invariably accompanied by a verb in the singular number.”

Both Exodus 4:16 and 7:1 show God calling Moses "a god" (elohim). This alone shows the error of some that the plural elohim must mean a "plural oneness" unless we want to believe Moses was a multiple-person Moses!

And The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Zondervan Publishing, 1986, tells us:
“Elohim, though plural in form, is seldom used in the OT as such (i.e. ‘gods’). Even a single heathen god can be designated with the plural elohim (e.g. Jdg. 11:24; 1 Ki. 11:5; 2 Ki. 1:2). In Israel the plural is understood as the plural of fullness; God is the God who really, and in the fullest sense of the word, is God.” - p. 67, Vol. 2.

The NIV Study Bible says about elohim in its footnote for Gen. 1:1:
“This use of the plural expresses intensification rather than number and has been called the plural of majesty, or of potentiality.” – p. 6, Zondervan Publ., 1985.

And the New American Bible (St. Joseph ed.) tells us in its “Bible Dictionary” in the appendix:
“ELOHIM. Ordinary Hebrew word for God. It is the plural of majesty.” – Catholic Book Publishing Co., 1970.

A Dictionary of the Bible by William Smith (Smith’s Bible Dictionary, p. 220, Hendrickson Publ.) declares:
“The fanciful idea that [elohim] referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God.”

And the prestigious work edited by Hastings says about this:

"It is exegesis of a mischievous if pious sort that would find the doctrine of the Trinity in the plural form elohim [God]" ("God," Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics).

To show how ancient Jewish scholars themselves understood this we can look at the work of the seventy Hebrew scholars who translated the ancient Hebrew Scriptures (OT) into Greek several centuries before the time of Christ. The Greek language did not use the “plural of excellence” that the Hebrew did. So, if we see a plural used in the Greek Septuagint, it was really intended to represent more than one individual!

So how is elohim rendered in the Greek Septuagint by those ancient Hebrew scholars? Whenever it clearly refers to Jehovah God, it is always found to be singular in number (just as in New Testament Greek): theos ! Whenever elohim clearly refers to a plural (in number) noun, it is always found to be plural in number in Greek (just as in the New Testament Greek): theoi or theois (“gods”).

For example: “I am the Lord thy God [elohim - plural of excellence in Hebrew becomes theos - singular in the Greek Septuagint]” - Ex. 20:2. And “know that the Lord he is God [as always, the plural elohim, as applied to the God of Israel, becomes the singular, theos in the Septuagint] he made us...” - Ps. 100:3.

But when elohim really does mean plural in number, we see it rendered into the Greek plural for “gods” in the Septuagint: “Thou shalt not worship their gods [elohim in Hebrew becomes theois - plural in the Greek Septuagint], nor serve them .... And thou shalt serve the Lord thy God [singular - Greek].” - Ex. 23:24-25.

We see exactly the same thing happening for translations of the plural elohim in the ancient Septuagint and in the Christian NT.

Yes, all the NT Bible writers, whether quoting from the OT or writing their own God-inspired NT scriptures, always used the singular “God” (theos) in NT Greek when speaking of the only true God of the Bible. (If the plural form had been used for the only true God, we would even discover a new “trinity” at John 10:34.)

It is absolutely incredible that John, Paul, and the other inspired NT writers would not have used the plural Greek form to translate the plural Hebrew form of “God” if they had intended in any degree to imply that God was in any way more than one person!

 

[David in NJ]

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ELOHIM - Plural 'God'

Many trinitarian apologists will tell us that the Hebrew word for God (Elohim) is plural because it shows that God is a trinity. For example:

"Among Trinitarian Christian writers it is [often] seen as evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity, a plurality in the Godhead." - Theopedia, "Elohim."
......................................................

That the Hebrew plural is often used for a singular noun to denote “a ‘plural’ of majesty or excellence” is well-known by all Biblical Hebrew language experts and has been known from at least the time of Gesenius (1786-1842), who is still regarded as one of the best authorities for Biblical Hebrew!

Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament (“long regarded as a standard work for students”), p. 49, shows that elohim, (“God/gods”) is sometimes used in a numerically plural sense for angels, judges, and false gods. But it also says,

“The plural of majesty [for elohim], occurs, on the other hand, more than two thousand times.” And that elohim when used in that sense “occurs in a [numerically] singular sense” and is “constr[ucted] with a verb ... and adjective in the singular.”

Gesenius - Kautzsch’s Hebrew Grammar, 1949 ed., pp. 398, 399, says:
“The pluralis excellentiae or maiestatis ... is properly a variety of the abstract plural, since it sums up the several characteristics belonging to the idea, besides possessing the secondary sense of an intensification of the original idea. It is thus closely related to the plurals of amplification .... So, especially Elohim ... ‘God’ (to be distinguished from the plural ‘gods’, Ex. 12:12, etc.) .... That the language has entirely rejected the idea of numerical plurality in Elohim (whenever it denotes one God) is proved especially by its being almost invariably joined with a singular attribute.”

Peloubet’s Bible Dictionary, 1925 ed. Pg. 224:

Elohim "is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God."

More modern publications (trinitarian Protestant and Catholic) also make similar acknowledgments of the intended plural of majesty or excellence meaning for elohim. (See the New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. v., p. 287.)

Nelson’s Expository Dictionary of the Old Testament, describes elohim:
“The common plural form ‘elohim,’ a plural of majesty.” - Unger and White, 1980, p. 159.

Pluralis Majestatis: Biblical Hebrew
"The term ‘majestic plural’ or pluralis majestatis refers to the use of a plural word to refer honorifically to a single person or entity. It is also called the ‘plural of respect’, the ‘honorific plural’, the ‘plural of excellence’, or the ‘plural of intensity’. In the Hebrew Bible such plural forms are most commonly used when referring to the God of Israel, e.g., adonim ‘I am a master (lit. ‘masters’)’ (Mal. 1.6), although it can also be used when referring to a human, e.g., abraham adonaw ‘Abraham his master (lit. ‘masters’)’ (Gen. 24.9), an object, e.g. gibroteka ‘your grave (lit. ‘graves’)’ (2 Kgs 22.20), ...." - ENCYCLOPEDIA OF HEBREW LANGUAGE AND LINGUISTICS, p. 145, vol. 3, 2013.

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says:
“It is characteristic of Heb[rew] that extension, magnitude, and dignity, as well as actual multiplicity, are expressed by the pl[ural].” - Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1984 ed., Vol. II, p. 1265.

Today’s Dictionary of the Bible, 1982, Bethany House Publishers, written by trinitarian scholars, says of elohim:
“Applied to the one true God, it is the result in the Hebrew idiom of a plural magnitude or majesty. When applied to the heathen gods, angels, or judges ..., Elohim is plural in sense as well as form.” - p. 208.

The famous trinitarian scholar, Robert Young, (Young’s Analytical Concordance and Young’s Literal Translation of the Bible) wrote in his Young’s Concise Critical Commentary, p. 1,
“Heb. elohim, a plural noun ... it seems to point out a superabundance of qualities in the Divine Being rather than a plurality of persons .... It is found almost invariably accompanied by a verb in the singular number.”

Both Exodus 4:16 and 7:1 show God calling Moses "a god" (elohim). This alone shows the error of some that the plural elohim must mean a "plural oneness" unless we want to believe Moses was a multiple-person Moses!

And The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Zondervan Publishing, 1986, tells us:
“Elohim, though plural in form, is seldom used in the OT as such (i.e. ‘gods’). Even a single heathen god can be designated with the plural elohim (e.g. Jdg. 11:24; 1 Ki. 11:5; 2 Ki. 1:2). In Israel the plural is understood as the plural of fullness; God is the God who really, and in the fullest sense of the word, is God.” - p. 67, Vol. 2.

The NIV Study Bible says about elohim in its footnote for Gen. 1:1:
“This use of the plural expresses intensification rather than number and has been called the plural of majesty, or of potentiality.” – p. 6, Zondervan Publ., 1985.

And the New American Bible (St. Joseph ed.) tells us in its “Bible Dictionary” in the appendix:
“ELOHIM. Ordinary Hebrew word for God. It is the plural of majesty.” – Catholic Book Publishing Co., 1970.

A Dictionary of the Bible by William Smith (Smith’s Bible Dictionary, p. 220, Hendrickson Publ.) declares:
“The fanciful idea that [elohim] referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God.”

And the prestigious work edited by Hastings says about this:

"It is exegesis of a mischievous if pious sort that would find the doctrine of the Trinity in the plural form elohim [God]" ("God," Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics).

To show how ancient Jewish scholars themselves understood this we can look at the work of the seventy Hebrew scholars who translated the ancient Hebrew Scriptures (OT) into Greek several centuries before the time of Christ. The Greek language did not use the “plural of excellence” that the Hebrew did. So, if we see a plural used in the Greek Septuagint, it was really intended to represent more than one individual!

So how is elohim rendered in the Greek Septuagint by those ancient Hebrew scholars? Whenever it clearly refers to Jehovah God, it is always found to be singular in number (just as in New Testament Greek): theos ! Whenever elohim clearly refers to a plural (in number) noun, it is always found to be plural in number in Greek (just as in the New Testament Greek): theoi or theois (“gods”).

For example: “I am the Lord thy God [elohim - plural of excellence in Hebrew becomes theos - singular in the Greek Septuagint]” - Ex. 20:2. And “know that the Lord he is God [as always, the plural elohim, as applied to the God of Israel, becomes the singular, theos in the Septuagint] he made us...” - Ps. 100:3.

But when elohim really does mean plural in number, we see it rendered into the Greek plural for “gods” in the Septuagint: “Thou shalt not worship their gods [elohim in Hebrew becomes theois - plural in the Greek Septuagint], nor serve them .... And thou shalt serve the Lord thy God [singular - Greek].” - Ex. 23:24-25.

We see exactly the same thing happening for translations of the plural elohim in the ancient Septuagint and in the Christian NT.

Yes, all the NT Bible writers, whether quoting from the OT or writing their own God-inspired NT scriptures, always used the singular “God” (theos) in NT Greek when speaking of the only true God of the Bible. (If the plural form had been used for the only true God, we would even discover a new “trinity” at John 10:34.)

It is absolutely incredible that John, Paul, and the other inspired NT writers would not have used the plural Greek form to translate the plural Hebrew form of “God” if they had intended in any degree to imply that God was in any way more than one person!

ELOHIM has hidden the Truth from the wise and prudent = It is not for unbelievers, proud, religious or intellectual power.

Only Elohim FATHER Elohim SON Elohim HOLY SPIRIT know the TRUTH = it's not for you to know as you disqualify yourself, just like the Jews before you.

 

[Rich R]

I looked Elohim up--Never plural for the true living God in the Hebrew language.

Let us= YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker of Prov 8. Who is the being God sent and was named Jesus as a mortal. It was not God speaking at Prov 8.-- Yes gods small g= false triune gods being served back in the ot days.

The Hebrew Elohim means "supreme ones" and it is used of other spiritual beings besides God Almighty. Look it up in Strong's Concordance. Almost all the places where Elohim refers to YHWH the pronouns or verbs are singular.



Notice the second word from the left, "bra," "he created." It is talking about Elohim, but it is singular.

We have similar words in English. When I just say, "sheep" you don't know if I mean one sheep or many sheep. The same word is used for both. But if I say, "My sheep is white" you know I'm talking about one sheep, but if I say, "My sheep are white" you know I mean many sheep. The scriptures are just like that with Elohim.

Genesis 1:26 is another "problem" verse to many Christians.

Gen 1:26,

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
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It is assumed, without scriptural corroboration, that the "us" refers to God and Jesus. But does it? God was certainly not alone when He uttered these words, but he wasn't talking about Him and Jesus doing a joint creation job. Look at the next verse:

Gen 1:27,

So God - created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.​

Created is singular. YHWY alone created everything in Genesis 1. Read on my friend:

We need to understand that there are many Elohim besides YHWH. God was discussing His plan with these other Elhoim.

Ps 82:1-8,

1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
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gods: Hebrew Elohim. Same word most people think of as reserved for YHWH alone, but it's not the case. There are many Elohim, but only one YHWH. That's why His name (YHWH) is so important

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
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ye judge is plural. YHWH was talking to many Elohim. These are spirit beings, created by YHWH, that were sent to help mankind, but they didn't do a very good job, so YHWH was reproving them. Notice verse 7 says they will die LIKE men. If they were men, YHWH would have just said they will die. They, like humans have free will. Satan was created perfect (Ezek 28:15) by YHWH, but he chose to attempt to be equal with God. He and 1/3 of the other angels were cast down to the earth in punishment. They are the devil spirits we deal with every day.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid [them] out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.​

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.​

Job 38:6-7,

6 - On what were its foundations set, or who laid - its cornerstone,

7 while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

Since there were no humans yet when God laid the foundations of the world, these sons of God were spirit beings. They do exist and that is who God was talking to in Genesis 1:26. Google, "divine council of god" for more info.

I know this isn't taught in the pulpits on Sunday mornings, but there it is in the scriptures. It's been there for several thousand years, so it ought to carry some weight! :)

 

[jaybird]

Hello @jaybird happy to see you post again. Reading a lot of desperation in the words of trinitarians again who as usual ignore and deflect from the fact that Christ Jesus has a Father, God Almighty, who created (begat) him, with Mary.

hey ap what you up to? their arguments are not very sound and they fall apart when questioned. their arguments are so bad it makes me wonder if they are real trinitarians or they fake trins trying to make the doctrine look bad.

 

[jaybird]

Absolutely Elohim is plural = use a Real Bible and use Strongs Concordance

technically its plural in todays understanding of Hebrew, but none of the ancient bible writers believed it to be true. this is easy to see as no one ever referred to the Most High as "they", the trinity is a "they" and this is all the more reason the doctrine fails, the Most High is always referred to with singular pronouns ie - "I" and "He"

 

[David in NJ]

technically its plural in todays understanding of Hebrew, but none of the ancient bible writers believed it to be true. this is easy to see as no one ever referred to the Most High as "they", the trinity is a "they" and this is all the more reason the doctrine fails, the Most High is always referred to with singular pronouns ie - "I" and "He"

Why are you unable to see? Is it not from a heart of unbelief.

“Where is Your Father?” they asked Him.
“You do not know Me or My Father,” Jesus answered. “If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well.”

 

[APAK]

hey ap what you up to? their arguments are not very sound and they fall apart when questioned. their arguments are so bad it makes me wonder if they are real trinitarians or they fake trins trying to make the doctrine look bad.

They're making even scholarly diehard trinitarians embarrassed and avoid them.

 

[David in NJ]

They're making even scholarly diehard trinitarians embarrassed and avoid them.

FALSE statement

Nice try though.

 

[DavidB]

ELOHIM has hidden the Truth from the wise and prudent = It is not for unbelievers, proud, religious or intellectual power.

Only Elohim FATHER Elohim SON Elohim HOLY SPIRIT know the TRUTH = it's not for you to know as you disqualify yourself, just like the Jews before you.

I would really appreciate it if you would explain why and how you conclude that all the scholars quoted in Tigger 2’s comment are wrong about the plural of majesty. Are you able to translate Ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek without using any reference works. You can’t expect others to accept your teaching based on what you claim the spirit taught you.

 

[DavidB]

Why are you unable to see? Is it not from a heart of unbelief.

“Where is Your Father?” they asked Him.
“You do not know Me or My Father,” Jesus answered. “If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well.”

Are you saying that Jesus isn’t just God but that he is the Father? Are you a modalist?