Jesus' God

[ElieG12]

Says here also

Hebrews 53:11

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Not only Isaiah 53:11 but also here:

Isaiah 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Isaiah 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

 

[Verily]

Not only Isaiah 53:11 but also here:

Isaiah 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Isaiah 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

His righteous servant, he was their example

Mark 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
Mark 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

 

[ElieG12]

We can see the God of Jesus during his baptism by John. At that significant moment, Jehovah endowed Jesus with the holy spirit from above. According to the Bible, it appeared as though a dove descended from heaven to rest upon Jesus:

Matt. 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

Following his baptism, Jesus faced temptation by Satan in the wilderness. During this time, he cited three Scripture passages to affirm to Satan the identity of his God. In every one of these passages, the sacred name of the Most High God is explicitly referenced (Deut. 8:3; 6:13,16; 10:20).

Subsequently, this occurred:

Luke 4:16 He then went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:
18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.” [Isaiah 61:1,2a]
20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him. 21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

When the Bible refers to Jesus as God's anointed, it recognizes him as God's servant. Throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, Jesus is often mentioned as the Messiah, the Anointed One of God. God cannot be anointed by anyone, which means Jesus Christ should not be mistaken for God. The version of Jesus that some follow, one without a God, without Father, or anyone above him, differs from the true Jesus described in the Scriptures.

Many Christians are hated for teaching the world the only true God and his real Son Jesus, his Christ.

 

[ElieG12]

When James and John, speaking through their mother, requested Jesus to grant them special places in heaven, he responded to them with these words:

Matt. 20:23 (...) to sit down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father. [Mark 10:40]

Although the Christian message is practically Christocentric, no Christian who does not take into account the true position of God, the Father of Jesus, will be saved. While the Christian message is largely centered on Christ, any believer who overlooks the rightful place of God, the Father of Jesus, risks losing salvation. It is crucial to ensure that honoring Jesus does not evolve into Christ-worship instead of GOD-worship, thereby detaching him from the One who appointed him as Lord and Christ, and elevated him following his self-sacrifice for humanity.

Acts 2:36 Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.

Let's remember that when Peter acknowledged Jesus as the Christ and "the Son of the living God," Jesus responded to him:

Matt. 16:17 (...) “Happy you are, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did."

Here, once more, we see how crucial it is for Jesus that his disciples fully grasp the significance of honoring God's authority and will, rather than concentrating solely on the figure of their Lord:

Matt. 7:21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

 

[Behold]

What is the Trinitarian perspective on the God of Jesus,

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, = The mighty GOD, = The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

 

[ElieG12]

...HIS NAME shall be called...

Interesting! A prophecy about the Son been called "Mighty God" in the future (of Isaiah's life)!

Throughout the Universe, the Almighty has eternally been acknowledged as God, and this will continue indefinitely, without any requirement for a prophecy predicting someone's praise.

Psa. 90:2 Before the mountains were born
Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land,
From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.
... 93:2 Your throne was firmly established long ago; From eternity you have existed.

Is. 40:28 Do you not know? Have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth, is a God for all eternity. He never tires out or grows weary. His understanding is unsearchable.

Hab. 1:12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, you appointed them to execute judgment; My Rock, you established them for punishment.

1 Tim. 1:17 Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Rev. 1:8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
... 15:3 They were singing the song of Moses the slave of God and the song of the Lamb, saying: “Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty. Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity.


I hope you can understand the difference between the God of gods, the Majesty, the Supreme... and His Son Jesus.

 

[A Freeman]

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, = The mighty GOD, = The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

What was Isaiah? A PROPHET.

And what does a prophet do? PROPHESY.

As recorded in Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah PROPHESIED that Christ-Jesus would be CALLED all of these things. It doesn't mean that they are all correct; it only means that this is what people would do.

And that's exactly what has happened, in direct fulfillment of this PROPHECY.

 

[APAK]

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, = The mighty GOD, = The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

That won't do it Behold. Isaiah 9:6-7 does not mean what you are forcing it to mean I'm afraid

Do you want me to explain it?

 

[Behold]

That won't do it Behold. Isaiah 9:6-7 does not mean what you are forcing it to mean I'm afraid

Do you want me to explain it?

Do you want to explain it to me, as you have been taught by Trinity Haters?

What do you think?


So, I just posted a verse., and the "Father" context is.... "Head".. .as in "Head of the Church" as in the man is the "Head" of the wife, as Christ is the 'Head" of the Church".

Jesus isn't Father God, but He is, equal......as Philippians 2.... (Jesus) 6 : """ Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God:":"

So, How is Jesus "Equal" to God?

LIke this....>>"Let US.......make man.....in OUR Image".

See those 2?

That is Father God and Jesus as "The Word was God" as Jesus is the "WORD made Flesh".

Jesus said, ,"I and my Father are ONE"
Jesus said.."If you've SEEN me...,. you've SEEN The FATHER".

This is why Jesus refers to Himself as "I AM".. as that is the Name that God gave to Moses when Moses asked God for His "Name".

 

[ElieG12]

Were you aware of how the Jews in the second century B.C. translated the verses of Isaiah 9:6-7 from Hebrew into Greek?

(LXX) Is. 9:
6 Because a child was born to us; a son was given to us whose leadership came upon his shoulder; and his name is called “Messenger [Angel] of the Great Council,” for I will bring peace upon the rulers and health to him.
7 His leadership is great, and there is no limit to his peace on the throne of David and his kingdom, to establish and take hold of it by justice and by righteousness, now and forever. The eagerness of [Jehovah of armies] will do these things.

 

[Behold]

Were you aware of how the Jews in the second century B.C. translated the verses of Isaiah 9:6-7 from Hebrew into Greek?

(LXX) Is. 9:
6 Because a child was born to us; a son was given to us whose leadership came upon his shoulder; and his name is called “Messenger [Angel] of the Great Council,” for I will bring peace upon the rulers and health to him.
7 His leadership is great, and there is no limit to his peace on the throne of David and his kingdom, to establish and take hold of it by justice and by righteousness, now and forever. The eagerness of [Jehovah of the Armies] will do these things.

Are you aware that Jesus is not an "Angel", but a Son?

Angels are not "begotten" by/of God........whereas Jesus was the "only begotten of God"... Virgin born.
No angel is born of a woman.
Jesus was born of the "virgin" Mary.

 

[Behold]

What was Isaiah? A PROPHET.

Jesus was/is a Prophet

And what does a prophet do? PROPHESY.

Jesus prophesied often.

As recorded in Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah PROPHESIED that Christ-Jesus would be CALLED all of these things. It doesn't mean that they are all correct; it only means that this is what people would do.

If bible prophecy isn't 100% True, then the Bible is a fraud, as its the prophetic aspect of the word of God that is the proof of the Truth of it.
So, when a person thinks........or teaches, that a OT Prophecy, "was wrong" then this person does not understand the context of the prophecy, or the prophecy itself.
This person is usually involved with a Cult.. like JW's or Mormons.. .ect.

 

[APAK]

Do you want to explain it to me, as you have been taught by Trinity Haters?

What do you think?


So, I just posted a verse., and the "Father" context is.... "Head".. .as in "Head of the Church" as in the man is the "Head" of the wife, as Christ is the 'Head" of the Church".

Jesus isn't Father God, but He is, equal......as Philippians 2.... (Jesus) 6 : """ Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God:":"

So, How is Jesus "Equal" to God?

LIke this....>>"Let US.......make man.....in OUR Image".

See those 2?

That is Father God and Jesus as "The Word was God" as Jesus is the "WORD made Flesh".

Jesus said, ,"I and my Father are ONE"
Jesus said.."If you've SEEN me...,. you've SEEN The FATHER".

This is why Jesus refers to Himself as "I AM".. as that is the Name that God gave to Moses when Moses asked God for His "Name".

What an utter mess you have made of Isaiah 9:6-7.

Can you actually explain it with going bezek by adding in other unrelated scripture and cryptic/undecipherable words? I don't think you can

 

[Behold]

What an utter mess you have made of Isaiah 9:6-7.

Can you actually explain it with going bezek by adding in other unrelated scripture and cryptic/undecipherable words? I don't think you can

Why do you feel the need to try to deflect your theological confusion toward me? @APAK

I can show you again, that all is needed are a very few verses prove the Trinity, and you can't see it, because you have been trained by Trinity Haters, to be the same.

Look..

1.) "And the Word, was God"..

2.) and that is "God manifested in the Flesh"

3.) as "The Word became Flesh'.. = JESUS

Now look at JOHN 1:10

4.) It says that JESUS "made the world"..

So, GOD made the world, according to Genesis..and according to Colossians 1:16..... and Jesus made the World according to JOHN, who told you that the "Word was God"... Jn 1:1

See all that?

 

[ElieG12]

Once again, they attempt to obscure the direct context of the biblical passages. Is this intentional?

John 1:1 must be understood within its full context. The chapter itself provides insights into its meaning.

Firstly, in verses 1 and 2, it is stated that the Logos, though referred to as "god," is alongside GOD. In verse 8, it mentions that this God has never been seen.

Secondly, in verse 18, while discussing the God unseen by humans, it is revealed that "the only begotten god" at His side made Him known to humanity. Thus, when Jesus, who existed in a divine state in heaven, took human form with flesh and blood, he presented to humans an image of what God in heaven might appear like if visible in our physical realm. Yet, Jesus clarified that God is a Spirit who will never manifest in physical form, as He exists beyond our material world, which He himself created.

Third: While Trinitarians assert the bold and evidently skewed notion that John's gospel is "trinitarian," the reality is that John's gospel contains the clearest anti-trinitarian statements found in the entirety of the Christian Scriptures: John 4:21-24; 5:19; 14:28; 17:3; 20:17, 30, 31.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus appears to John in a vision over three decades after his ascent to heaven, and told him:

Rev. 3:12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

So, discussing the heavenly temple, he refers to the central place of worship for the God adored by countless invisible spirit beings residing there, next to the throne of the Majesty of the Universe and His heavenly temple, and in the surroundings.

What is the Trinitarian perspective on the God of Jesus, who is worshiped above? Do Trinitarians recognize that Jesus, serving as high priest, worships a God in heaven?

Revelation, like the Gospel and the OT scriptures are the MYSTERY of Elohim and can only be known by the Spirit of Truth

Therefore you cannot SEE what is hidden in plain sight in Revelation

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:
“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man,
and He will dwell with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them as their God.
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’
and there will be no more death
or mourning or crying or pain,
for the former things have passed away.”

And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”
And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.
The one who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.

But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”

 

[ElieG12]

This is what is happening in heavens:

Rev. 4:2 After this I immediately came to be in the power of the spirit, and look! a throne was in its position in heaven, and someone was seated on the throne. 3 And the One seated had the appearance of a jasper stone and a sardius stone, and all around the throne was a rainbow like an emerald in appearance. (...) 9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanksgiving to the One seated on the throne, the One who lives forever and ever, 10 the 24 elders fall down before the One seated on the throne and worship the One who lives forever and ever, and they cast their crowns before the throne, saying: 11 “You are worthy, Jehovah our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they came into existence and were created.”

This happened when Jesus was received there after his resurrection:

Rev. 5:7 At once he came forward and took it out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne. 8 When he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb, and each one had a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense. (The incense means the prayers of the holy ones.) 9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” 11 And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 and they were saying with a loud voice: “The Lamb who was slaughtered is worthy to receive the power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing.”

... and here it is the resume:

Rev. 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.” 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Jesus is portrayed as a Lamb, while God is the One sitting on the throne. No one in heavens regards Jesus as their God. This misconception is a falsehood spread on earth by deceitful and apostate religious individuals influenced by malevolent spirits... but this won't persist for much longer.

 

[David in NJ]

Once again, they attempt to obscure the direct context of the biblical passages. Is this intentional?

John 1:1 must be understood within its full context. The chapter itself provides insights into its meaning.

Firstly, in verses 1 and 2, it is stated that the Logos, though referred to as "god," is alongside GOD. In verse 8, it mentions that this God has never been seen.

Secondly, in verse 18, while discussing the God unseen by humans, it is revealed that "the only begotten god" at His side made Him known to humanity. Thus, when Jesus, who existed in a divine state in heaven, took human form with flesh and blood, he presented to humans an image of what God in heaven might appear like if visible in our physical realm. Yet, Jesus clarified that God is a Spirit who will never manifest in physical form, as He exists beyond our material world, which He himself created.

Third: While Trinitarians assert the bold and evidently skewed notion that John's gospel is "trinitarian," the reality is that John's gospel contains the clearest anti-trinitarian statements found in the entirety of the Christian Scriptures: John 4:21-24; 5:19; 14:28; 17:3; 20:17, 30, 31.

Firstly, in verses 1 and 2, it is stated that the Logos, though referred to as "god," is alongside GOD. In verse 8, it mentions that this God has never been seen.

There is only One True Living Elohim(God) - but you cannot SEE this in the Scriptures

I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me. - Duet 5:7

"the only begotten god"

God begets God = just as the FATHER begets His only begotten SON

Gospel of John declares: "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = GOD/WORD/SPIRIT = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

Pharisees are monotheistic and will always fight against "the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE"

You know you are the son of the pharisees when you despise those who love and know the TRUTH

Because of this, the Jews(montheism) tried all the harder to kill Him.
Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

the antichrist jehovah witness doctrine along with those who obey it = are always trying all the harder to kill off the Truth

 

[ElieG12]

False Christians hate true Christians for teaching the truth, just as the Pharisees hated Jesus Christ and the other Christians who showed the truth about Jesus.

Jesus said that this would be the welcome the world would give to all those he sent to preach the truth of the kingdom. No Jehovah's Witness is surprised by the welcome we receive from some people, since Jesus and other prophets before him were also welcomed like that.

We are happy to have to teach others the truth under such conditions, because it is proof that we are on the right path. Jesus told us to "go and make disciples and teach them" and added:

Mat. 28:20 I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.

 

[David in NJ]

False Christians hate true Christians for teaching the truth, just as the Pharisees hated Jesus Christ and the other Christians who showed the truth about Jesus.

Jesus said that this would be the welcome the world would give to all those he sent to preach the truth of the kingdom. No Jehovah's Witness is surprised by the welcome we receive from some people, since Jesus and other prophets before him were also welcomed like that.

We are happy to have to teach others the truth under such conditions, because it is proof that we are on the right path. Jesus told us to "go and make disciples and teach them" and added:

Mat. 28:20 I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.

jw's hate the JESUS who came from the FATHER for they always fight the harder against His words

Jesus said to them: "I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME

Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth that Jesus is Lord, and shalt believe in thine heart that God/FATHER hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

How can a jw know God when they reject the Lord

Only for His own = Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.