Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Ferris Bueller]

The Body of Christ has not failed. To imply that is to say God failed us. He ia the Author of our faith. The Church is right in track. God just factors in all our blunders into His Perfect Plan.

The blunders that you speak of...that is the failure of the church I'm talking about.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Regardless of any kind of acronym, label, or any other kind of demagoguery, anyone who reads Scripture should easily be able to understand that God's salvation, once given by God, cannot be lost, because of God's invincible power to save. Nothing can separate those who are in Christ from the love of God in Christ (Romans 8:39-40), and the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable (Romans 11:29). Writing to the Philippians, Paul says, "He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it to the end" (Philippians 1:6). Therein is the promise of God that what He starts in our souls, He intends to finish. God's purposes cannot be thwarted (Job 42:2); He gets what He intends. Satan knows this very well and hates this, because He knows that no matter how hard he tries with any of God's elect, though he may discourage them and even drive them to despair at times ~ as he did Job ~ in the end, he cannot win; they will ultimately be lost to him forever ~ as Job was.

Grace and peace to you.

The old OSAS - Calvin's OSAS - taught that if this sure work of God wasn't happening in you then you weren't even saved to begin with. The new revised version of OSAS says you are saved even if the sure work of God is not happening in you, just as long as you believe.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Nobody EARNS their salvation by their performance. But we will all surely be judged as being known by Christ or not by our performance.

23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Matthew 7:23​

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth....can’t you see that? “ You don't Earn your Salvation, But you have to show that you earned it on Judgement Day” is what you are saying....

In regard to your verse—- “ Workers of Lawlessness “ are Gospel Rejectors, because Believers in the Gospel are Saved Forever....any “ lawlessness “ has been put on the Cross ....remember that thing ?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

LOL! Well, fortunately, what you or I think or say about God's purpose of election and His resulting work of salvation in His elect at the time of His appointing makes no difference. God determines His own purposes, and His purposes cannot be thwarted by anything or anyone. And once He has done this work in the person, it cannot be undone by anything or anyone. The mighty works of God are invincible. As Paul says in Romans 11:29, "The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." Therefore, as far as any of us are concerned, it is what it is. All that remains is whether we accept it or not, which, again, makes no difference; it is what it is.

"OSASers"... :) My goodness.

Grace and peace to all.

How true! Many confused Believers like our good friend ,Ferris , seem to forget that Salvation is a “ Gift” .....a “ Gift “ GIVEN to those that do NOT work for it.... and as you so wisely point out—- the GIFTS of God are “ without recall”...... Go OSAS’ers! Lol...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

In regard to your verse—- “ Workers of Lawlessness “ are Gospel Rejectors, because Believers in the Gospel are Saved Forever....any “ lawlessness “ has been put on the Cross ....remember that thing ?

Lawlessness is the sign of an unbeliever, not a believer. Remember?

 

[ScottA]

Another OSASer judging me as unsaved? That's about all OSASers do. Judge non OSASers as unsaved!

To provide you with the definition of what salvation means, is not me judging you--it's me helping you to understand.

If you still don't understand, it doesn't change the meaning of the word. It is what it is. Saved doesn't mean "maybe" saved, it just means saved.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Many confused Believers like our good friend ,Ferris , seem to forget that Salvation is a “ Gift” .....a “ Gift “ GIVEN to those that do NOT work for it.

Ferris knows that salvation is a free gift and is not earned by working for it.
Work follows salvation, indicating that a person has the free gift of salvation. No works means you don't have the free gift of salvation.

 

[kcnalp]

To provide you with the definition of what salvation means, is not me judging you--it's me helping you to understand.

If you still don't understand, it doesn't change the meaning of the word. It is what it is. Saved doesn't mean "maybe" saved, it just means saved.

I know what Christian salvation is. Do you? It's believing in and confessing Jesus. OSAS is not in the Bible.

 

[ScottA]

I know what Christian salvation is. Do you? It's believing in and confessing Jesus. OSAS is not in the Bible.

Yes--Once Saved, Always Saved, is indeed in the Bible:

I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave* them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:28-29

...Not even you.


*Past tense.​

 

[kcnalp]

Yes--Once Saved, Always Saved, is indeed in the Bible:

My Father, which gave* them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:29

...Not even you.
*Past tense.​

It doesn't say we can't choose to forsake God! Satan LOVES OSAS!

 

[ScottA]

It doesn't say we can't choose to forsake God! Satan LOVES OSAS!

It says "no man" can pluck them from my Father's hand.

--You are not reading it correctly...or even seeing what is written.

 

[kcnalp]

It says "no man" can pluck them from my Father's hand.

--You are not reading it correctly...or even seeing what is written.

Was Paul a Christian?

1 Corinthians 9:27 (NKJV)
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

OSAS is totally BOGUS!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Yes, I have.
Me and Cameron were bored one day, and Cameron's dad was home so we couldn't use his dad's Ferrari, so we interviewed the entire church's knowledge of the OT instead.

You must be omniscient and omnipresent and exhausted - take a day off.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

And so it is that the people the worker ministers to in the field and building of God will be revealed by fire for what they really are:

I do not believe true Christian ministries are reaponsible for any reprobate's destruction! Evil begets evil. A born again Christian has God guiding him and has prepared good works for him to do. The lost are lost, not by our doing.

 

[farouk]

Yes--Once Saved, Always Saved, is indeed in the Bible:

I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave* them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:28-29

...Not even you.


*Past tense.​

Great passage there in John 10.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

And that is wonderful. But what about those in whom the word does not dwell and are nothing more than fake, hypocritical, false believers who die that way? The worker who ministered to them has no reward for their labor of building them into the building of God. They will be found to be hay, wood, and stubble at the Judgment and will be burned up and purged from the building of God. They weren't really a part of it to begin with because they focused on the false security of the new version of OSAS (as opposed to Calvin's version) instead of making sure they were really saved in the first place.

Bruno baby, the point of all of this is the new version of OSAS erroneously says 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 means a 'believer' can decide to live in unrepentant sin and have no righteous works and he will still be saved when Jesus comes back. He will just lose rewards, not salvation. But that ignores the scripture that tells us that the person who lives like that is not even born again to begin with (1 John 3:9) As I've shown, 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 isn't even about one's personal life of holiness to begin with! It's about the work done by the minister in the field and building of God and whether or not it will result in a reward for him when Jesus comes back.

See, we shouldn't be arguing about whether OSAS is true or not. What we need to do is what the Bibles says to do...make sure we're really saved. Telling people that how they live their lives has no bearing on whether they have the Spirit of God in them in salvation, because once you are saved you are always saved no matter what, causes them to not obey the Biblical exhortation to test themselves to see if they are really in the faith and prepared to meet Jesus in judgement. The minister who shares that false teaching, causing people in the church to think they are saved who really aren't saved at all, will have no reward for his work in building the building of God. They will have built hay, wood, and stubble into the building of God - things that can't go through the fire - and the result of their labor in the field and building of God will get burned up in the judgment, because those people aren't real believers. They just thought they were...because they were told they were...despite the fact that they did not have the life to match their profession of faith that Jesus is Lord.

The gospel goes out to many that don't receive it. Like the Sower of the Seed, some falls in rocky or shallow soil and doesn't take root. That isn't our fault. We are told to witness and minister awhile and if they the don't listen, brush the dirt off our sandals and move on.
We don't know who ill ir will nit be saved so how can you state and assume that about anyone's life. They could be hypicritical and not serious all their life but in their last moments call out to Jesus - YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN ANYONE'S LIFE EXCEPT YOUR OWN. Unless they are really close to you and/or you witnessed to them just prior to their death and they rejected Christ or someone else confirmed their final rejection.
But sure there will be many lost, tares among the wheat too. We are not supposed to say he/she will go to Hell because we don't know. All we can do is pray they won't then move on.

 

[Taken]

“Taken”
You imply Believing Without Making a sure Heartful Election is a man receiving Conversion... error! Words matter. Man must freely heartfully confess Belief!

That's a lie!

So ... what IS “your” Truth?
Clear up the matter!

Belief means IS saved?
Believers CAN fall away?

Converted means IS Saved?
Converted CAN fall away?

 

[Taken]

“Taken”
You have never claimed to have become Saved...sounds more like you believe and Hope you can endure believing to your physical death.

Another lie!

I don’t read ALL of your Posts...
“Your” profile statement of Faith,
So prove I lied.

Here IS “Your profile statement of Faith”;

“Belief in the eternal Hell is not required for residency therein.”

Clear up the matter;

IDENTIFY the Thread, Page, Post #, Your Quote, claiming Yourself to have become Converted.

 

[Taken]

I know what Christian salvation is. Do you?

Incomplete. Vague.

It's believing in and confessing Jesus.

Christianity is a Term used to describe SOME believers IN Jesus.

Men decide WHAT they shall BE Called!
* Islam, (religion) the Quran, describes Jesus, and men who practice Practice Islam, Believe in Jesus, as he is presented in their Quran, A Prophet, A human man.
Call themselves Islamists.

* Jewish, (religion) Divided, OT, foretells Of a Jewish Messiah. Some Jews, Are Still Waiting
for their Jewish Messiah. They Remain UNDER OT Law. They may or may Not Believe Jesus was a Prophet, a human man.
They continue to repeatedly ask God for Forgiveness for law violations.
Call themselves Jews.

* Jewish, (religion) Divided, OT And NT, Regard And adhere to OT Traditions (feasts, sabbaths, etc.) IN the OT Law. Also Belief in Jesus IS the foretold, Christ Messiah, was Sent to Earth, and returned to Heaven. They continue to repeatedly Ask God for Forgiveness for Forgiveness for Law violations.
They call themselves Messianic Jews.

* Christian, (A) (religion) Divided, Under OT Law and Covenant, Only Under NT covenant, Believe Jesus IS a prophet, Belief Jesus was Sent by God, Belief Jesus IS Both A human man AND A Spirit!
They call themselves Christians.
* They Wait “TO Receive Salvation at the Time Of their physical Death....”IF” they have endured to continue Believing IN Jesus.
* They “Believe” they are Subject to the possibility of Losing their Salvation...
(Which IS TRUE, Because they are NOT Converted).
(Primarily Catholic’s And Some Protestants)

* Christian, (B)(religion) Divided, Only Under the New Covenant, Believe God Sent Jesus from Heaven, IN THE LIKENESS AS A Human man, Believe Jesus IS The Christ Messiah Spirit Of God, Have Heartfully Confessed Their Belief.
After Heartfelt Confession;
* Trust they HAVE RECEIVED, Gods Forgiveness; once and Forever.
* Trust Gods Spirit Has ENTER-ED IN them.
* Trust God IS Faithful and SAV-ED their soul; once and forever.
* Trust God IS Faithful and QUICKENED their spirit; once and forever.
* Trust God IS Faithful and Gods Spirit, (Gods Power) IN Them HAS Sav-ED them, Gods Spirit Will KEEP them Sav-ED and WITH God FOR EVER!
* Trust to Heartfully Believe:
Greater is He that is IN you than he that is IN the World.
* Trust to Heartfully Believe No one can Pluck THAT man out of the Hand Of God, Of Christ.

OSAS is not in the Bible.

You appear to be “mentioned type”. (A) Christian. Believing in Jesus is the Christ...
But NOT converted with The Lord Gods Power IN you, Keeping you Forever, BY His Power.
You have Expressed, YOU have to Do The KEEPING, ie. ENDURING, by your OWN power.
Such IS a man WHO continues TO Sin, Repeatedly continues to ASK for Forgiveness Of His Sins Against God.
Type A Christian does Not Apply to me.

You believe you Can lose your Salvation.
I agree YOU could.
I believe I am Saved, and can never lose my Salvation!

 

[Taken]

Speaking of "evil spirits":

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

OSAS: "doctrines of demons"!

Believers CAN and WiLL depart from the faith! Not a newsflesh.
ONCE SAV-ED, they ARE Sanctified, ie SET APART unto the Lord God “ONLY”.
Nothing can “UNDO” or “make a man “UN-SANCTIFIED”!

You present NOTHING Scripturally whatsoever that teaches A SAV-ED, Sanctified man, SET APART, KEPT BY GODS POWER, can AGAIN BECOME ...
Un-saved, Un-Sanctified, WITHOUT the Lord God.

ONCE a man IS SAVED, is not a doctrine of DEMONS!
That is YOUR ludicrous claim....NOT Scriptural!

Scriptural Doctrine;
Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
THAT IS...OSAS!

John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
THAT IS...OSAS!

THAT IS SCRIPTURAL TEACHING!!

YOUR TEACHING; a man CAN BECOME SAVED and then BECOME UNSAVED is FALSE!